BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - Part 35

[Lily Adler]

Dafuq is going on here?

 

[Lencho01]

You know, now that I think about it... wouldn't have Pa Kent been swept up earlier and not just simply "vanish" in the wind?

 

[antonydelfini]

I hope so.

I don't want to see the happy go-lucky boy scout per se.

But I really want the citizens of Metropolis to see more of the MoS Superman who makes lighthearted remarks about lifesavers and smiles with that charismatic warm smile and takes joy in the wonder of his powers and most importantly saves humans in spectacular ways.

We got a small taste of that in MoS. Now I want to see a lot more.

Agreed. We need more of a smiling Superman. And more Social crusader Golden Age Superman. Hopefully no TDKR Superman. And I think were gonna get that based on some great scenes from MOS (you dont control me, and you never will. Im going to help, but on my own terms).

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's not that people would know he was a super powered alien...it's that people would know he was different than they were. In the scene it looked to be 20-30 people under the overpass....and while they probably weren't focused on Pa or Clark I am willing to bet they were focused on the tornado...which Pa was right in front of.

That's my problem. Ask any bystanders of things from car accidents to natural disasters to terrorist incidents and 9 out of 10 chances they won't be able to give you any details about anything that happened because they're too focused on staying safe. When that self preservation instinct kicks in you get immediate tunnel vision.

IMO all they needed in that scene, right before he turns to his dad that final time, is to have one of the kids next to Clark scream something like "Save him. I know what you can do." Then have other people looking at Clark to see what he would do.

Again, connective tissue. It's not a big change and the scene stays the same. But it takes away the ambiguity of "if" someone sees him to "yes, people will see him."

 

[Wise]

You know, now that I think about it... wouldn't have Pa Kent been swept up earlier and not just simply "vanish" in the wind?

It wouldn't have been dramatic for him to be pulled up like a ragdoll.

He has to stop, stare and vanish.... goooo the distance.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You know, now that I think about it... wouldn't have Pa Kent been swept up earlier and not just simply "vanish" in the wind?

Hah yeah definitely. But I don't think they wanted to go the Twister route. Would have looked better though

 

[BatLobster]

That's my problem. Ask any bystanders of things from car accidents to natural disasters to terrorist incidents and 9 out of 10 chances they won't be able to give you any details about anything that happened because they're too focused on staying safe. When that self preservation instinct kicks in you get immediate tunnel vision.

IMO all they needed in that scene, right before he turns to his dad that final time, is to have one of the kids next to Clark scream something like "Save him. I know what you can do." Then have other people looking at Clark to see what he would do.

Again, connective tissue. It's not a big change and the scene stays the same. But it takes away the ambiguity of "if" someone sees him to "yes, people will see him."

I agree. The stakes needed to feel higher. He WILL be outed if he takes action, not "might" be outed.

Like you, I get the point of the scene though so I don't think it's some abomination to the mythos. It just could have felt a little smoother, especially for such a critical moment.

 

[Wise]

Hah yeah definitely. But I don't think they wanted to go the Twister route. Would have looked better though

Also according to the experts running to an overpass is one of the worst things you can do in a tornado.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Down boy.

Would anyone like Kara to appear as well?

I would.....as long as she's played by Amy Poehler. That is, of course, she isn't busy voicing Iron Man in the sequel to The Lego Movie.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Also according to the experts running to an overpass is one of the worst things you can do in a tornado.

It's the equivalent of hiding under your school desk in case of a nuclear attack

 

[MrMaooz]

It's the equivalent of hiding under your school desk in case of a nuclear attack

Buddy, you do know you're supposed to hide in fridges, right?

 

[roach]

That's my problem. Ask any bystanders of things from car accidents to natural disasters to terrorist incidents and 9 out of 10 chances they won't be able to give you any details about anything that happened because they're too focused on staying safe. When that self preservation instinct kicks in you get immediate tunnel vision.

IMO all they needed in that scene, right before he turns to his dad that final time, is to have one of the kids next to Clark scream something like "Save him. I know what you can do." Then have other people looking at Clark to see what he would do.

Again, connective tissue. It's not a big change and the scene stays the same. But it takes away the ambiguity of "if" someone sees him to "yes, people will see him."

Go back and watch that scene...everyone under the under pass is looking at Jonathan...Martha screams his name...Clark looks at the people and takes a step to save his father...he knows he is about to be revealed to a large group of people.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I agree. The stakes needed to feel higher. He WILL be outed if he takes action, not "might" be outed.

Like you, I get the point of the scene though so I don't think it's some abomination to the mythos. It just could have felt a little smoother, especially for such a critical moment.

I'm not a screenwriter but if I had a crack at rewriting that scene I would have made it more like the death of Gwen Stacy death. Have Clark use his speed and strength to grab and protect him but in the end he doesn't make it. That mirrors the comics storyline where, even though he's powerful, he can't save everyone.

 

[Wise]

Buddy, you do know you're supposed to hide in fridges, right?

Your Gif.

Bat glare vs Shia glare

Omega Beams vs Lebeouf Lasers

 

[Lencho01]

It wouldn't have been dramatic for him to be pulled up like a ragdoll.

He has to stop, stare and vanish.... goooo the distance.

Imagine the music from that scene, but with him yelling.

Hah yeah definitely. But I don't think they wanted to go the Twister route. Would have looked better though

It's kinda like Lois not being sucked into the black hole, but falling straight down.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Buddy, you do know you're supposed to hide in fridges, right?

According to the Book of Henry Jones Jr. that is the definitive way to save yourself from a nuclear blast. Amen.

 

[roach]

I'm not a screenwriter but if I had a crack at rewriting that scene I would have made it more like the death of Gwen Stacy death. Have Clark speed and strength to grab and protect him but in the end he doesn't make it. That mirrors the comics storyline where, even though he's powerful, he can't save everyone.

The death was not about how he can't save everyone...that death was about Pa not believing the world and/or Clark was ready to be revealed.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Go back and watch that scene...everyone under the under pass is looking at Jonathan...Martha screams his name...Clark looks at the people and takes a step to save his father...he knows he is about to be revealed to a large group of people.

I've watched it. I remember it. It still feels incomplete to me. Just needed an extra stutter step or two IMO

 

[Wise]

Maybe he could have explained it as being on an adrenaline high.

Happened before in real life.

Also who's going to believe a bunch of randoms from the bible belt that claim they saw a man perform an impossible miracle?

That happens like 5 times a year in the real world and people assume they're whackos.

 

[roach]

According to the Book of Henry Jones Jr. that is the definitive way to save yourself from a nuclear blast. Amen.

There's a science website that figured out that you could survive a nuclear blast in a fridge...just not the flying 50 feet.

 

[X Knight]

Down boy.

Would anyone like Kara to appear as well?

 

[Poni_Boy]

The death was not about how he can't save everyone...that death was about Pa not believing the world and/or Clark was ready to be revealed.

And we can go on and on in circles with it and it won't change my mind. As it stands it needed an extra 15% of something to take away the implication and hit that point home.

 

[Wise]

Imagine the music from that scene, but with him yelling.



It's kinda like Lois not being sucked into the black hole, but falling straight down.

Amy Adams had just gone through a pregnancy. Give her a break.

 

[MrMaooz]

There's a science website that figured out that you could survive a nuclear blast in a fridge...just not the flying 50 feet.

Who gives a damn? It Indiana muthaf**kin' Jones. That man survived that blast with ease.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I dunno....narratively, I like the idea of the choice of sacrifice.

I like it too. I'm completely open to change. Old stories with new concepts can work well. Just not fully realized ones.