BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 36

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[Herolee10]

 

[Herolee10]

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Wow, we really need some news though.

And to just think... only 2 months ago, the belief was that this film would have already started filming by now (I think), and if I'm right, we would have gotten our first photo.

 

[Herolee10]

And/or ILM.

That would be an ideal situation.

As much as I enjoyed MOS, some of the quality of the effects within the film were...well, less than flattering, particularly Zod's armor (on Earth) for certain scenes/shots, along with how Metropolis looked.

When I look back at that BTS video of ILM describing on how they created the backdrop of New York City for the "The Avengers", I was just in awe.

I wish that much attention to detail, and the overall look, would have been applied to Metropolis when it came to its CGI structure.

 

[Jekecy]

That would be an ideal situation.

As much as I enjoyed MOS, some of the quality of the effects within the film were...well, less than flattering, particularly Zod's armor (on Earth) for certain scenes/shots, along with how Metropolis looked.

When I look back at that BTS video of ILM describing on how they created the backdrop of New York City for the "The Avengers", I was just in awe.

I wish that much attention to detail, and the overall look, would have been applied to Metropolis when it came to its CGI structure.

I don't know if it's just bad luck or bad decision making, but I feel like WETA/ILM always seem to evade Supes. Truth be told they are on an echelon of their own and Superman deserves the very best in visual effects. I know they were somewhat involved with MOS, but I want the full workload to be handled by them. With Avatar, Avengers, and Star Wars ramping up production, unfortunately it looks like once again we just might be stuck with the second-tiers.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That would be an ideal situation.

As much as I enjoyed MOS, some of the quality of the effects within the film were...well, less than flattering, particularly Zod's armor (on Earth) for certain scenes/shots, along with how Metropolis looked.

When I look back at that BTS video of ILM describing on how they created the backdrop of New York City for the "The Avengers", I was just in awe.

I wish that much attention to detail, and the overall look, would have been applied to Metropolis when it came to its CGI structure.

See, to me no film's, NO FILM EVER MADE SINCE THE ADVENT OF DIGITAL SFX, has ever had a flawless look. A view of that might be that the vast majority of the SFX in MOS was done so well that yes, those places where the digital seams can be even marginally noticed, stick out all that much more.

 

[Jekecy]

Given that the first cinematic match-up of Batman and Superman is potentially one of the biggest milestones of the genre, the higher-ups for this production have restructured accordingly to ensure nothing but the top class are working on this film.

I'm still wondering whether the delay has had any substantial impact on how they will approach post-production. They've got a conveniently long schedule ahead of them.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't know if it's just bad luck or bad decision making, but I feel like WETA/ILM always seem to evade Supes. Truth be told they are on an echelon of their own and Superman deserves the very best in visual effects. I know they were somewhat involved with MOS, but I want the full workload to be handled by them. With Avatar, Avengers, and Star Wars ramping up production, unfortunately it looks like once again we just might be stuck with the second-tiers.

Well, WETA did have their hands full with the Hobbit Trilogy and ILM was most likely busy with the Marvel films.

Now that MOS 2 is coming out in 2016, it might raise the chances of one of them being able to work on this film for a majority.

Right? It'd be nice to have the top dog on a Supes movie..of all things already!

Agreed.

Transformers...when not goofy, had bad-ass effects work.


Oh...and I would LOVE Skywalker Sound to do the sound design, too.

Honestly, before MOS had come out, I was really hoping that the film would partially resemble on how "Transformers 3" was filmed due to the DP for that film (Amir) being the same for MOS.

 

[Lencho01]

The Honda commercial...

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[DA_Champion]

Part 36?

I'm really proud of you guys.

 

[DA_Champion]

That would be an ideal situation.

As much as I enjoyed MOS, some of the quality of the effects within the film were...well, less than flattering, particularly Zod's armor (on Earth) for certain scenes/shots, along with how Metropolis looked.

When I look back at that BTS video of ILM describing on how they created the backdrop of New York City for the "The Avengers", I was just in awe.

I wish that much attention to detail, and the overall look, would have been applied to Metropolis when it came to its CGI structure.

I'm ok with the effects of Zod's armour. I didn't like the design. It looked dumb, as did Jor-El's armour.

 

[Herolee10]

The Honda commercial...

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That's actually not that bad; better or comparable at least to the shot of Superman when he was flying through that field while the horses/zebras were running in the background.

 

[Lencho01]

That's actually not that bad; better or comparable at least to the shot of Superman when he was flying through that field while the horses/zebras were running in the background.

I remember some being excited about that when a clip was released, noting how much like Birthright it was. It was barely and I was disappointed they didn't do something like how it looked in the comic.

 

[Herolee10]

I remember some being excited about that when a clip was released, noting how much like Birthright it was. It was barely and I was disappointed they didn't do something like how it looked in the comic.

Indeed; I think Snyder was going for a "documentary" feel with most of the flying sequence for when Clark had finally mastered that ability, hence why there were a lot of extreme wide/hand held shots for the sequence as opposed to showing more medium closes up of Clark (Cavil) flying.

 

[AnneFan]

Indeed; I think Snyder was going for a "documentary" feel with most of the flying sequence

I got that impression as well.

 

[Lencho01]

Indeed; I think Snyder was going for a "documentary" feel with most of the flying sequence for when Clark had finally mastered that ability, hence why there were a lot of extreme wide/hand held shots for the sequence as opposed to showing more medium closes up of Clark (Cavil) flying.

Yeah, I got that sense while watching it. But, I wasn't feeling it.

 

[Rocketman]

Basically the Timmverse in general is as good as it gets

I realize that the majority of the world would think that the Nolan films are in general "better" pieces of art than BTAS. But I love BTAS so much more than I love the Nolan films. To me, it's the definitive Batman experience, and is almost impossible to top.

I completely agree. BTAS is the greatest Batman interpretation ever, above all comics, films, anything. It just nailed everything flawlessly.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think it did. It came as close as possible to touching upon all that's important about Batman, but I rank it as equal to Nolan's film trilogy.

However, I also don't think it's possible to have a better interpretation of Batman than his source material (or rather his formative and defintive stories) as they dictate what Batman is.

 

[Lencho01]

Mask of the Phantasm is where it's at.

 

[Dk1201]

Arrow needs to be connected to Batman vs Superman

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think it needs to. I'm not that impressed with the Barry Allen (yet) they cast enough to think "HE SHOULD BE IN JUSTICE LEAGUE".

Odds are, if both series have a series bible (that they stick to) they'll be over by the time a Justice League film is released.

 

[Rocketman]

Given that the first cinematic match-up of Batman and Superman is potentially one of the biggest milestones of the genre, the higher-ups for this production have restructured accordingly to ensure nothing but the top class are working on this film.

I'm still wondering whether the delay has had any substantial impact on how they will approach post-production. They've got a conveniently long schedule ahead of them.

I actually find it alarming how much time they have. It's actually waaaay more time than anyone appreciates. If Cavill, for example, is filming in Michigan for 10 months, that's just insane.

Think about it. It's February 2014. The movie comes out May 2016. We have 2 1/2 years. Three Oscar ceremonies will have passed BEFORE this movie comes out.

I applaud them for putting this much time into post-production. The more time they take to make the film perfect, I'm all for it. But seriously, this is the behavior of a studio making more than one film. It just is. There are no two ways of looking at it.

Look at Fincher. Zodiac was released in March 2007, and then The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was released in December 2008. This guy had one film in 2007, and another film THE NEXT YEAR. Think about all the visual effects in Benjamin Button, all the costume design, the set design, the makeup, the editing. One film in 2007, another film in 2008.

Look at Nolan. Batman Begins in 2005. The Prestige in 2006. The wardrobe, the sets, the makeup. It's staggering how quickly they cranked these movies out.

Now, my point (not a great one, but bear with me). Imagine going up to Fincher in 2007 right after Zodiac is released and telling him that he has THREE years to make Benjamin Button and that it can be released in 2010. It would be SHOCKING. He and Nolan could theoretically make FOUR movies each in that amount of time. It's mindblowing.

So, basically, I'm not buying that this is one movie. I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Charlatan]

I actually find it alarming how much time they have. It's actually waaaay more time than anyone appreciates. If Cavill, for example, is filming in Michigan for 10 months, that's just insane.

Think about it. It's February 2014. The movie comes out May 2016. We have 2 1/2 years. Three Oscar ceremonies will have passed BEFORE this movie comes out.

I applaud them for putting this much time into post-production. The more time they take to make the film perfect, I'm all for it. But seriously, this is the behavior of a studio making more than one film. It just is. There are no two ways of looking at it.

Look at Fincher. Zodiac was released in March 2007, and then The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was released in December 2008. This guy had one film in 2007, and another film THE NEXT YEAR. Think about all the visual effects in Benjamin Button, all the costume design, the set design, the makeup, the editing. One film in 2007, another film in 2008.

Look at Nolan. Batman Begins in 2005. The Prestige in 2006. The wardrobe, the sets, the makeup. It's staggering how quickly they cranked these movies out.

Now, my point (not a great one, but bear with me). Imagine going up to Fincher in 2007 right after Zodiac is released and telling him that he has THREE years to make Benjamin Button and that it can be released in 2010. It would be SHOCKING. He and Nolan could theoretically make FOUR movies each in that amount of time. It's mindblowing.

So, basically, I'm not buying that this is one movie. I'm just not seeing it.

That would be the smart thing to do. but you'd think they would have already announced it if that were the case.

 

[BH/HHH]

But aside from Batman Begins none of those films listed were huge budget blockbusters.