BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 96

[Rorschach2012]

Well Dwayne McDuffie, Bruce Timm, and Paul Dini made John better then he was in the comics.

I agree it's more important for a writer to know the comics then the director but a writer also has to be creative.

Let's think of Batman for a second. Think about how Year One changed everything about Batman and added so much to his character and the character of Jim Gordon. Who's to say a writer can't do that to John?

i just think it's weird to count on a writer to make John better than he is in the comics. Why not just adapt the hero that's already a strong character in the comics? What you're saying just seems illogical to me.

and John Stewart on GL TAS was likable but he had no personal ties to Sinestro or Star Sapphire. The two big GL centric episodes featured John vs the Manhunters and John vs Despero. If you replace John with Hal in those stories, they would pretty much be exactly the same, there is no advantage to using John, while there is an advantage to using Hal.

Why would any GL fan want to see a GL movie series that doesn't feature Sinestro? And doing a Sinestro/John Stewart movie would be weird unless they did some extensive rewriting, and at that point.... it just seems silly to not use Hal.

You're a big fan of John Stewart, and you're even saying that you think he has to be reworked to lead a movie series... that says a lot that a big fan admits that major changes would have to be made...

With Hal, virtually no changes have to be made when adapting him into live action, the goldmine of material is already there in the comics to draw from.

 

[Nemeres]

I'm not saying you are wrong but there is one thing you need to know when making a film on material.

THE. BOOKS. DO. NOT. MATTER.

Tim Burton never read a Batman comic and made 2 great Batman films. Bryan Singer only watched the X-Men cartoons.

Reading the books and comics to make a CBM film is like studying for an exam. It probably best you study but you could ******** the whole thing and still get an A.

Just saying.

Joss Whedon's a fan. Avengers did well.

Also, Singer wasn't a fan beforehand, but other people working on the film were, like David Hayter, Tom DeSanto and Kevin Feige.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

i just think it's weird to count on a writer to make John better than he is in the comics. Why not just adapt the hero that's already a strong character in the comics? What you're saying just seems illogical to me.

and John Stewart on GL TAS was likable but he had no personal ties to Sinestro or Star Sapphire. The two big GL centric episodes featured John vs the Manhunters and John vs Despero. If you replace John with Hal in those stories, they would pretty much be exactly the same, there is no advantage to using John, while there is an advantage to using Hal.

Why would any GL fan want to see a GL movie series that doesn't feature Sinestro? And doing a Sinestro/John Stewart movie would be weird unless they did some extensive rewriting, and at that point.... it just seems silly to not use Hal.

You're a big fan of John Stewart, and you're even saying that you think he has to be reworked to lead a movie series... that says a lot that a big fan admits that major changes would have to be made...

With Hal, virtually no changes have to be made when adapting him into live action, the goldmine of material is already there in the comics to draw from.

I'm admitting things should be reworked more to fit Hal. I don't mind Hal but I feel Hal should be in the other side of the universe and have John on Earth. I never want John replacing Hal with Sinistro because that's a great relationship between Hal and Sinistro (one of the few things I like about Hal).

You can have the space stuff with Hal and have John with JL.

Is that fair enough? John in the JL and Hal exploring the universe? If you don't like John maybe we can go a different angle.

 

[bluerayer]

What about Green Arrow, when is he going to get his movie?
yeah, i know that Arrow exists and is quite good supposedly, but they couldnt even call him Green Arrow for that show.

This makes Ollie sad.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I've said this before, but it's smart to have some synergy between GL of the JL and GL of the solo movie, so using JS on the JL and Hal in the solo just seems silly to me.

Snyder's GL is going to reinvigorate the character, the only way he gets a reboot is if people love Snyder's take. It would be unwise to use a different character than the one that was already introduced...

So no haha i'm not exactly cool with that compromise, it just seems like a bad idea. The GL of the JL should be the GL of the solo.

Hal for the Justice League, Hal for the solo movie, with John Stewart and Guy in supporting roles in the solo GL movie. That's the way it's always been done, no need to change things up because of JL TAS.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I've said this before, but it's smart to have some synergy between GL of the JL and GL of the solo movie, so using JS on the JL and Hal in the solo just seems silly to me.

Snyder's GL is going to reinvigorate the character, the only way he gets a reboot is if people love Snyder's take. It would be unwise to use a different character than the one that was already introduced...

So no haha i'm not exactly cool with that compromise, it just seems like a bad idea. The GL of the JL should be the GL of the solo.

Hal for the Justice League, Hal for the solo movie, with John Stewart and Guy in supporting roles in the solo GL movie. That's the way it's always been done, no need to change things up because of JL TAS.

Well then.

 

[Rorschach2012]

i mean i would be okay with John on the JL and Hal in the solo, it just seems like a bad business move. People have to be sold on live action GL, if they like him in JL, they will be more likely to see GL if it features the same character they already like.

Barry/John is a strange combination, i don't think i've ever seen the two interact. While Hal and Barry have a well established dynamic. Using John just presents a series of problems (no relationship with The Flash, a weak relationship with Green Lantern's definitive nemesis, weak comic book history compared to Hal and Kyle)

The only negative aspect of Hal Jordan is the fact that GL 2011 failed. That won't matter if Snyder introduces a completely new badass Hal Jordan

 

[Lobo]

Is till hope to see Kyle on screen one day

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

i mean i would be okay with John on the JL and Hal in the solo, it just seems like a bad business move. People have to be sold on live action GL, if they like him in JL, they will be more likely to see GL if it features the same character they already like.

Barry/John is a strange combination, i don't think i've ever seen the two interact. While Hal and Barry have a well established dynamic. Using John just presents a series of problems (no relationship with The Flash, a weak relationship with Green Lantern's definitive nemesis, weak comic book history compared to Hal and Kyle)

The only negative aspect of Hal Jordan is the fact that GL 2011 failed. That won't matter if Snyder introduces a completely new badass Hal Jordan

I think it's fair to say the only this we agree to disagree on is how to handle GL. Everything else we agree on. I'm willing to give up John as long as Aaron Paul is Flash.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Now WB/DC get Chadwick or we could go to the best (love you Chadwick but I want this so bad) choice.

Idris would be great as John Stewart and he would also be great as Martian Manhunter and maybe even as Darkseid?

Hmm....

 

[Spider-Aziz]

What about Green Arrow, when is he going to get his movie?
yeah, i know that Arrow exists and is quite good supposedly, but they couldnt even call him Green Arrow for that show.

This makes Ollie sad.

Green Lantern and Green Hornet both came out the same year, not well received movies, and both carry the color green.
Maybe that's why avoided the use of the word green in the title of the show, and simply kept it to one joke.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Double, sorry

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think it's fair to say the only this we agree to disagree on is how to handle GL. Everything else we agree on. I'm willing to give up John as long as Aaron Paul is Flash.

Yeah dude that is true, we agree on pretty much everything but that. But that's a pretty big thing to disagree on IMO. My favorite superheroes ever are Batman, Superman, Tim Drake, Dick Grayson and Hal Jordan. we're finally getting all the projects I've dreamed of (Teen Titans!!! Justice League!!! what!!) and i hate to imagine this new age for live action DC without the greatest Green Lantern. IMO it would be a bit disrespectful to the history of DC comics to leave out Hal Jordan.

a compromise i could get behind is John Stewart as the GL in JL, with no solo movies (i really don't want to see a JS solo, the potential would just feel wasted to me) and a Hal Jordan tv series, unconnected to the DCCU. oh and they should totally intro Martian Manhunter through a GL tv series or movie if they don't want to introduce him in a JL film.


Hal Jordan is such a strong character with such rich mythology that he could lead his own tv show/movie and it wouldn't be the least bit affected by the rest of the DCCU. That world is pretty standalone, and ties to the greater DCCU would be cool, but they aren't necessary.

 

[dhandler01]

I think Snyder should troll the fans and tease the one true lantern:

Then in the solo he fights to the death against:

This leads to a new franchsise:

 

[bluerayer]

Green Lantern and Green Hornet both came out the same year, not well received movies, and both carry the color green.
Maybe that's why avoided the use of the word green in the title of the show, and simply kept it to one joke.

Guess Kermit The Frog was right: its not easy being green. Seriously what kind of reasoning is that?

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

amazing.

Now I'm imagining a hallway in a theatre with matching posters of the different Lantern Corps: Saint Walker, Larfleeze, Sinestro Corps, Black Hand, etc

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Guess Kermit The Frog was right: its not easy being green. Seriously what kind of reasoning is that?

The reasoning is pretty out there, and I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with Green Hornet and Green Lantern, probably just one of those weird things CW shows do in their infancy (or for the entire run if it's Smallville), wouldn't be surprised if they start calling him Green Arrow either this season or next though.

 

[Rorschach2012]

amazing.

Now I'm imagining a hallway in a theatre with matching posters of the different Lantern Corps: Saint Walker, Larfleeze, Sinestro Corps, Black Hand, etc

that sounds so awesome

hopefully that can happen some day

 

[Rorschach2012]

HBO is owned by WB. How ****ing amazing would it be if we got a Batman series on HBO? I'd love a GL series on there too...

If those shows were on HBO, they could easily tie into the movies without their being an obvious difference in budget

 

[MaskettaMan]

HBO is owned by WB. How ****ing amazing would it be if we got a Batman series on HBO? I'd love a GL series on there too...

If those shows were on HBO, they could easily tie into the movies without their being an obvious difference in budget

I fail to see how a GL show could happen with a TV budget.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I fail to see how a GL show could happen with a TV budget.

I could see an HBO budget being able to make it work, they'd have to tone things down a bit and spend a good deal of time on Earth, but I think it could be done. But I think the most likely way GL would appear on TV is the occasional guest appearance on Arrow and Flash, they've been teasing the character subtly for awhile now.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I fail to see how a GL show could happen with a TV budget.

you need to watch more scifi television

it could most definitely work on a HBO budget

 

[zryson]

Was interested to read about the series commitment of a Supergirl series at CBS. The good news is that it will feature Kara Zor-El in which the superhero aged 24 years old decides to embrace her powers and be the hero she was always meant to be. What remains key is the actress who will be cast, hopefully somebody who has personality and charisma (as well as talent), not just looks to play the role. I also hope they don't resort to cliches, with her love-life a mess and in-between bouts of super-heroics she frets about boys. CBS landed the project with a series commitment but that doesn't mean it will see the light of day; though it greatly increases the projects chances of making it to air thanks to penalties the network would have to pay up.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

A Batman series on HBO is more plausible.

 

[Guts]

you need to watch more scifi television

it could most definitely work on a HBO budget

The only HBO shows that I have seen are The Wire and Game of Thrones and I think it could be done on a HBO budget. Some of these are CGI and some are practical effects.