BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 96

[TheNextNolan22]

Special Sneak Peek at Gotham. I love how they're already calling Oswald "Penguin."
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[BatLobster]

Fincher is entitled to his opinions about cbms, but considering the fact that there's a wide variety of themes available in comics books /GN's it's rather narrow-minded approach that he is taking.

Interestingly, many people call Nolan as "pretentious" even when Nolan worked with the comic book source material and helped launch Superman but same people call directors like Fincher and Cronenberg great even when they don't think highly about comic books.

I love Fincher's work, but tbh I do think he's a bit of a pretentious d**k, and sometimes doesn't seem like the nicest person.

 

[the last son]

Can anyone pm me the teaser trailer

anyone ?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The cops are so deep in the pockets of gangsters they don't give Jimmy here any cruel look.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I love Fincher's work, but tbh I do think he's a bit of a pretentious d**k, and sometimes doesn't seem like the nicest person.

Why you mad though?

FINCHER: If you didn’t get hugged enough as a kid, you won’t find what you’re looking for from me.

 

[Marvin]

Holy multi-quote abuse Batman!

It definitely makes things interesting. We all have our process.

I don't like this rumor because I don't think it adds anything or makes sense, of course it's about what I "prefer". You simply seem to be defending this because you loved MOS dearly.

That's like me saying "you don't like this cause you hated MOS/Snyder dearly". It's a simply dumb and assuming way to go about debate, as I would like to imagine you understand. I'd actually 'defend' the validity in this premise prior to mos tbh, I seemly see this sort of material a certain way. I suppose that's neither here nor there.
My experience on these forums is mostly that of people simply not liking stuff and the (pursuit of) roundabout ways to validate such feelings beyond basic preference. You don't like it, fine. If only it stopped there, but 'logic'...

About Central Intelligence.
Never said batman was 'about them' or they about him.
I personally care little as to what writers choose to focus on in a batman or any other story, sky's the limit imo(ghosts, aliens Santa, gov’t). The point is however, about 'internal logic' as you claimed to be concerned about and quite frankly there is alot of muddling on the very crucial issue of how the various levels of gov't(from municipal to federal and beyond) would react to a real and functional batman for decades on end, cities getting taken hostage kinda demands their attention(by logic), that was them all over the last movie and I imagine a certain measure of tnt explosives(nuke) on US soil garners the higher orders of gov't involvement...but I suppose that's not really batman stuff.

You assert that he being handled as a myth will be glossed over so we can focus on how cool batman looks...well I suppose that settles it. Silly us for assuming anything else.

It changes the mythos for no real good reason. It changes the way he operates. It changes the way he interacts with his villains (some of the love to use TV, as you well know), it changes the way he interacts with people (Batman isn't just about beating criminals, he also you know interacts with regular folks like Leslie Thompkins and city officials like the mayor....In short, he can talk to anyone), it changes the way the police interact with him, the way the people know him, etc. It potentially removes Robin, since now you have not one but two people who have to extremely sneaky, or a Batman who never had a Robin. Even Nolan felt he had to add Robin (poorly) because he was too important to the mythos or something.

I never knew that was the reason Nolan added 'Robin'(if that's what you wanna call that guy). I suppose that's one assumption.
As for this list pertaining to what the more mythic approach ends up changing; sorry but I don't agree. All of that can remain very much in tact. You say it 'changes the way he operates' but never actually explain how. It's like he no longer does detective work(very important to people I imagine&#8230 and no longer drives a fancy car, beats up criminals or interrogates thugs, the bat signal, talks to a select few in confidence...(people care if batman talks to the mayor or not, then again Nolan). But no, none of the actual important stuff changes in a way you can actually explain, yet you keep using the excuse.

As for the Robin thing and how you explain the obstacle, well there's Nolan's robin now isn't there. Seems a valid enough approach to the character, valid enough for you to cite him here anyways. Secondly, if robin is as talented as Damien the assassin, he can stay sneaky if he wants, but again, that's me.

I only used 30 years with the phone camera debunk because I wasn't sure how much of your own 3 decade rhetoric you were going to stand by(call me thorough). Phone cameras showing up around 2004 and Iphones in 2007, I'll just use that measure then. As for people snapping pictures, again so what? One thing you don't seem to be following me on is where that sort of things leads, and the distinction between myth and 'the real guy actually exists'. This is the crux of the issue. I'm not saying no one knows who batman is, what he looks like and that the first time someone in MOS2 mentions his name people say what the **** is that. I'm talking about 'that he's really a guy' and not some sham, or hoax or myth or story..etc.
As to your point about people seeing him and snapping pics(along with who's is driving the fancy car)…

^The basic difference between the batman existing, existed and possibly meeting him, vs this myth people talk about and 'snap on their cameras all about and 'every night'. Hockey pads et all that. Jail cells full of these guys, several appearing on kimmel…It begs the question if this is the improbable truth of the matter of if The Batman actually is real.
Oh but wait, “all these photos, and every night….”(/eye roll)

I brought up the "hoax" thing because YOU are the one saying that it would be totally possible for Batman to be an urban legend for decades, and I responded by that saying that maybe if the police and every other elected official decided they wanted him to be an urban legend, that might be possible, but why would they do that? They would need the Batman to be real for that Bat-signal to mean anything, anyway.

Don't twist it.

Lol

But it's not a hoax, silly. The Batman is real. People (yes, even criminals, heck, especially criminals!) would know this. The Batman starts as a vigilante. The police want to arrest him. They issue warrants to get him out. The media covers the chase. People and criminals start seeing him. He is real.

Sure, and next you'll be telling me about the Easter bunny(basic in film line reading in response to your assertion here). As for this criminals seeing him thing, not to hard for the law to pull that off imo. Again, I ask what's the big deal about 'criminals and their circles' knowing of him? Criminals and their circles 'know' alot of **** that isn't worth it's salt to the public conscious, how many people believed the crooks that said they were tied up by the phantasm... Rogues in particular always know more about such people than the public, Batman likes it that way(/smiley).

The police issue warrants and chase batman around? That sounds like you've already made up your mind about which important mythos you want them to pursue. I have to assume any variation "wouldn't make sense" as it were. Funny as I've seen a few different takes in which he isn't pursued on sight, if anything he issues orders to entire swat teams...who knew(assault on arkham for example).

As for what is getting twisted, it sure does seem that way yes. Anyways if your actual question and I quote was: "Soooo again...Why? Why would the police put up with this hoax? Why can't people know there is a Batman in their city? Some lame conspiracy theory? What is there to be gained from all this? And for so many years?"
The answer is two fold and as I said. The gain is the deterrent and hope and overall effect it has on the city, however unconventional(it worked). As for why the police in control put up with this approach, that elicits a simple because it's working type answer. Not sure what else there is to explain tbh. You asked about every elected official etc. I point to the idea that it would only really require Gordon's radical and often anarchistic(see nolan) say so and I imagine his tenure could span longer than a decade or two if need be. He and those loyal to him(several). As for the mayor...again Nolan verse(that is, who cares).

So you do want to change how he operates? He either swings through the city with his Bat-Rope or he glides with his cape. Otherwise, he uses hus Bat-tank, Bat-Wing, etc. How do you propose he move around, then....
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Would that be a matter of preference for you then?
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Read above. And again, Batman needs to be considered real before the Bat-signal means anything.

Yawn. Read above.

Yeah, that works AFTER Batman is considered real.

Less yawning and more reading(above) of your own perhaps. But I do find this tangent interesting. Why do you think batman needs to be 'real' for his myth to take shape exactly? I mean in this single statement you've undermined every single fear myth/urban legend in their common execution(seeing as they are mostly untrue). So what do you mean?
-I for one mean, Gordan issues statements to the press(as he does) and explains his departments continued encounters with this bat creature and what he's done for, with, against them. Stuff get's out in the papers, criminals get to talking, sightings get staged, you then have the ending scene to batman 89 in which the bat signal is 'empowered'....see where I'm going here. Heck you even as I said above, beat the hell out of some criminals in costume. Make public statements to the city mysteriously...
It's a hoax man.(/smiley)
I actually recall two serial killers hoaxed into reality on the Wire and without the Commissioner.

As for what would be a 'preference' for me. I never actually said that. I said it could be seen as a 'pro' in the grand scheme. You know, like how having batman in this next movie might end up being documented as a 'pro' and not a 'con' in the annals of history. Not even sure what my preferences are any more, I just frown upon putting them above all and self importantly ****ting on the rest I suppose.

As for how he get's around. That's just it. If he swung around from 9-5 as these other colorful guys do then people would see him and the angle of the sceptics would be even weaker. However if he drives around at night in this unmarked vehicle(never confirmed to be his imo again, not exactly the Ecto1) then it's all the more rational that he is 'rarely if ever seen'. If no one ever saw inside the Pope mobile, then its fair to assume he may not actually be in it(/smiley)
Never suggested he stopped using his vehicles...
Funny enough, he gets this vehicle around inconspicuously enough for the hot in pursuit cops and their warrants to not see him do his often delicate work, I find myself wondering how given it’s a tank and people see it every single night.

As for your question about my meaning when I said batman himself would actually rarely be seen. When you asked, who or what would then bee sighted.
Answers: Some jet over head with tinted windows, some car with tinted windows, some murky(non touched up) image in some alley, some second hand story hopefully by a source more believable than a guy being booked for jail or arkham no less, some gliding image high above and at night(possibly human), some signal...I consider all that on the weaker side of circumstantial ongoing sightings. To see the opposite:
See, superman making a speech in front of his statue on the 6 o'clock news.
See Stark announcing himself on live TV and later in congress with subsequent appearances in helmet free armor, Spiderman fights transformers at 4 o'clock in the noon in new york with hundreds of eye witnesses..
It's different, or at least it can be. Depends on your 'preference' I suppose.

I remember batman making that escape from the abandoned building swat team in the year one book. And just how many people on scene actually saw him with their own eyes...

As for Santa, yes I pointed to how many 'fakes' so many people see of him come a certain season and what exactly that does for his myth status. I find myself again looking this wonderfully convenient phenomena…

and waxing poetic about all the things it does to and for the batman myth in the presumed world.

Lol

So a picture with the Justice League means he is real, but people actually interacting with him doesn't mean anything and I assume this Batman, in his long career, would have had to interact with plenty of people

Are people being punched by Jesus every other night, do they see his Jesus mobile, or hear how the police want to capture him?

Bill Maher, has more or less taken camera crews to such places(smiley)

As for the difference between batman interacting with random people and that confirming his existence to the world vs standing next to superman in a real photo in which superman himself claims he's standing next to batman. You have to be kidding. Surely?
Ask this exact same question 'deep throat'(the watergate source leak guy), seems silly.. interacting with people..

Oh, you mean the mythos that makes him great? Yeah, let's keep changing that by making this dumb addition!

Yes, you keep hiding behind the 'mythos'. Wave it like some banner you are fighting for outside of some clinic. Fighting that good fight for the sanctity of batman and his “mythos” as you yourself define it. Fight against the part where just about every single thing can arguably remain in tact save for everyone and their mother knowing he's as real as Michael Jordan. Oh that's right, the key elements of the mythos such as he ‘interacting’ with people are predicated on the greater public knowing he's real, gone to the wind I suppose. Figures to assume that sort of important stuff can still work with him being myth wouldn't make any "sense".
The good fight.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Fincher's always had that 'above Hollywood' mentality about him. Even though his movies are pretty corporate.

 

[michael1975]

Let me weight in on the whole Batman is Mytho or not. The comic books bounce back and fourth on whether the public believes Batman exist or nothing more then a myth created by the police and media.

Now my take on it is this Batman operates in shadows. He's does everything in his power not to draw attention to himself. So a lot people in Gotham have never seen Batman. So a lot people do see him as a myth created by the police and the media to scare the criminals.

Several years ago when Tim Drake gave up being Robin he was talking to some other kids. Those kids were going on about Batman and Tim tells them Batman is a myth. Now course Tim knows it's not true but the other kids never argued it. The reason being is because to much of the public Batman was a myth. What evidence there exist of Batman the public believes has been created by the police.

Now feeling I get on Batman vs Superman is that they are going to take the same approach if this issue is even addressed in the movie at all. The public in general will see Batman as a myth. They will just calk up sightings and evidence as nothing more then something created by the police and media to scare criminals.

That is my take on this any way.

 

[StarLord]

Didn't Tarantino enjoy the Superman movies?

He also enjoyed Kick-Ass 2. It was on his top ten list of 2013.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Warner Bros. developing animated "Justice League" series for Machinima... With Bruce Timm!

http://variety.com/2014/digital/new...man-wonder-woman-dc-entertainment-1201308015/

 

[StarLord]

Loved the two Mortal Kombat series on Machinima and have yet to watch Street Fighter.

This is great news.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

The first season of MK: Legacy was great, but I did not like season 2 AT ALL. Street Fighter was awesome so I'm excited about this news.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

New promo shots for Gotham.

 

[Wise]

Warner Bros. developing animated "Justice League" series for Machinima... With Bruce Timm!

http://variety.com/2014/digital/new...man-wonder-woman-dc-entertainment-1201308015/

YES!!!! YES!!!! t:t:t:

EDIT: Only 3 parts though...

 

[Wise]

Special Sneak Peek at Gotham. I love how they're already calling Oswald "Penguin."
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Still not really that excited about this show. I'll give it a shot, but I'm not expecting much more than a procedural case/freak of the week show with Batman characters.

 

[paulogonza]

YES!!!! YES!!!! t:t:t:

EDIT: Only 3 parts though...

well then its confirmed justice league movie to 2018? in the article thay said that, its frustrating if right, i thought 2017 will be the year, the way the things go i dont know if i am still alive when JL come to theaters kkk

 

[Wise]

well then its confirmed justice league movie to 2018? in the article thay said that, its frustrating if right, i thought 2017 will be the year, the way the things go i dont know if i am still alive when JL come to theaters kkk

Are you ok?

 

[paulogonza]

Are you ok?

yes io am just kidding, but i really expected a 2017 date, but come on 2018

 

[Spider-Aziz]

He also enjoyed Kick-Ass 2. It was on his top ten list of 2013.

'Tis, what I wanted to know.
Thanks mr. "Who?"

 

[I Am The Knight]

Aww, look at you, all mad because I use smileys. So cute! You will get more, don't worry.

That's like me saying "you don't like this cause you hated MOS/Snyder dearly". It's a simply dumb and assuming way to go about debate, as I would like to imagine you understand. I'd actually 'defend' the validity in this premise prior to mos tbh, I seemly see this sort of material a certain way. I suppose that's neither here nor there.
My experience on these forums is mostly that of people simply not liking stuff and the (pursuit of) roundabout ways to validate such feelings beyond basic preference. You don't like it, fine. If only it stopped there, but 'logic'...

Just like you would debate a movie with someone who has seen when you yourself have not seen such movie, as I saw you doing in the TMNT. We all have our processes I guess. OK Marvin, you always loved this idea, that's cool

About Central Intelligence.
Never said batman was 'about them' or they about him.
I personally care little as to what writers choose to focus on in a batman or any other story, sky's the limit imo(ghosts, aliens Santa, gov’t). The point is however, about 'internal logic' as you claimed to be concerned about and quite frankly there is alot of muddling on the very crucial issue of how the various levels of gov't(from municipal to federal and beyond) would react to a real and functional batman for decades on end, cities getting taken hostage kinda demands their attention(by logic), that was them all over the last movie and I imagine a certain measure of tnt explosives(nuke) on US soil garners the higher orders of gov't involvement...but I suppose that's not really batman stuff.

I'm sorry. And? It was used in TDKR. And? That's hardly a story I would go for reference. In the grand scheme of things, Batman is not about the CIA. You can keep on writing this long rants on how the CIA here and how the CIA was used there...It doesn't matter. It doesn't make their involvement all the more necessary to take the character. Again, just because someone requires certain logic it doesn't mean that you gotta bring in all these other elements, no matter how many times you keep ignoring this, it doesn't make it any truer. Sorry. Read what I actually write.

You assert that he being handled as a myth will be glossed over so we can focus on how cool batman looks...well I suppose that settles it. Silly us for assuming anything else.

Going by previous experience (MOS) and considering all the elements they have to juggle? Yep.

I never knew that was the reason Nolan added 'Robin'(if that's what you wanna call that guy). I suppose that's one assumption.
As for this list pertaining to what the more mythic approach ends up changing; sorry but I don't agree. All of that can remain very much in tact.

How? And please be thorough

You say it 'changes the way he operates' but never actually explain how. It's like he no longer does detective work(very important to people I imagine…) and no longer drives a fancy car, beats up criminals or interrogates thugs, the bat signal, talks to a select few in confidence...(people care if batman talks to the mayor or not, then again Nolan). But no, none of the actual important stuff changes in a way you can actually explain, yet you keep using the excuse.

For the urban legend (funny you stopped using that terminology when I posted what an urban legend actually is, and how it doesn't apply to Batman) to work, he would need to like never leave the comfort of his vehicle, not have a Bat-signal of top of police H.Q, not interact with anyone really, not have a sideckick must likely, only save the world "every other weekend" or something", to avoid sightings, etc. I have already said this. Pay attention bro.

As for the Robin thing and how you explain the obstacle, well there's Nolan's robin now isn't there. Seems a valid enough approach to the character, valid enough for you to cite him here anyways. Secondly, if robin is as talented as Damien the assassin, he can stay sneaky if he wants, but again, that's me.

You see, this is why I multi-quote. Because that way you get exactly what the poster said, and not something else. I actually said that Blake was a poor version of Robin. That does not mean "that's how you do it!" Well maybe it does, in youse head

I only used 30 years with the phone camera debunk because I wasn't sure how much of your own 3 decade rhetoric you were going to stand by(call me thorough). Phone cameras showing up around 2004 and Iphones in 2007, I'll just use that measure then.

Oh really? And I guess that before 2004, cameras didn't exist! What sorcery did they use to come up with all those images from last century? And of course no one ever carried cameras with them, and certainly no such thing as photojournalists trying to get picture of the Batman

As for people snapping pictures, again so what? One thing you don't seem to be following me on is where that sort of things leads, and the distinction between myth and 'the real guy actually exists'. This is the crux of the issue. I'm not saying no one knows who batman is, what he looks like and that the first time someone in MOS2 mentions his name people say what the **** is that. I'm talking about 'that he's really a guy' and not some sham, or hoax or myth or story..etc.
As to your point about people seeing him and snapping pics(along with who's is driving the fancy car)…

How and why would it be a sham or a hoax if a newspaper starts publishing pictures of the Batman? And please no conspiracy theories.

^The basic difference between the batman existing, existed and possibly meeting him, vs this myth people talk about and 'snap on their cameras all about and 'every night'. Hockey pads et all that. Jail cells full of these guys, several appearing on kimmel…It begs the question if this is the improbable truth of the matter of if The Batman actually is real.
Oh but wait, “all these photos, and every night….”(/eye roll)

Can you translate this? In english, please. I can see why you like this Snyder, you both have some serious communication issues. At least now you're using paragraphs and not "text walls".

Sure, and next you'll be telling me about the Easter bunny(basic in film line reading in response to your assertion here). As for this criminals seeing him thing, not to hard for the law to pull that off imo. Again, I ask what's the big deal about 'criminals and their circles' knowing of him? Criminals and their circles 'know' alot of **** that isn't worth it's salt to the public conscious, how many people believed the crooks that said they were tied up by the phantasm... Rogues in particular always know more about such people than the public, Batman likes it that way(/smiley).

Batman doesn't just interact with criminals, he also interacts with people who may need his help, or suspects, or anyone really. I love how you keep saying "no one will believe these criminals!" Like Batman in a certain area where only criminals roam.

The police issue warrants and chase batman around? That sounds like you've already made up your mind about which important mythos you want them to pursue. I have to assume any variation "wouldn't make sense" as it were. Funny as I've seen a few different takes in which he isn't pursued on sight, if anything he issues orders to entire swat teams...who knew(assault on arkham for example).

That's how Miller had it (the one Snyder loves, and we are already seeing his influence in the stuff that has been shown about this film) and how it tends to play in the movies. He is first a wanted vigilante, then later becomes an ally to the police.

As for what is getting twisted, it sure does seem that way yes. Anyways if your actual question and I quote was: "Soooo again...Why? Why would the police put up with this hoax? Why can't people know there is a Batman in their city? Some lame conspiracy theory? What is there to be gained from all this? And for so many years?"
The answer is two fold and as I said. The gain is the deterrent and hope and overall effect it has on the city, however unconventional(it worked). As for why the police in control put up with this approach, that elicits a simple because it's working type answer. Not sure what else there is to explain tbh. You asked about every elected official etc. I point to the idea that it would only really require Gordon's radical and often anarchistic(see nolan) say so and I imagine his tenure could span longer than a decade or two if need be. He and those loyal to him(several). As for the mayor...again Nolan verse(that is, who cares).

Again we go back to...Why. Why can't Batman just exist and people know about it. A Bat-signal by itself doesn't mean anything to criminals if they don't believe he exists in the first place.

Less yawning and more reading(above) of your own perhaps. But I do find this tangent interesting. Why do you think batman needs to be 'real' for his myth to take shape exactly? I mean in this single statement you've undermined every single fear myth/urban legend in their common execution(seeing as they are mostly untrue).

Batman needs to be real to people before you can talk about the Bat-signal being a deterrent by itself. The idea that he may be "out there" only really works if he is, you know, out there, and people are interacting with him. Do I have to keep on repeating myself here?

So what do you mean?
-I for one mean, Gordan issues statements to the press(as he does) and explains his departments continued encounters with this bat creature and what he's done for, with, against them. Stuff get's out in the papers, criminals get to talking, sightings get staged, you then have the ending scene to batman 89 in which the bat signal is 'empowered'....see where I'm going here. Heck you even as I said above, beat the hell out of some criminals in costume. Make public statements to the city mysteriously...
It's a hoax man.(/smiley)
I actually recall two serial killers hoaxed into reality on the Wire and without the Commissioner.

Read above

If this Batman is never seen, then he has no power as a symbol, because people won't believe in it.

As for what would be a 'preference' for me. I never actually said that. I said it could be seen as a 'pro' in the grand scheme. You know, like how having batman in this next movie might end up being documented as a 'pro' and not a 'con' in the annals of history. Not even sure what my preferences are any more, I just frown upon putting them above all and self importantly ****ting on the rest I suppose.

I think having Batman is a pro in this movie, I think he will be very cool, but I hope they don't try to differentiate this version by adding this sillyness. There are other ways that actually pay more respect to the character.

As for how he get's around. That's just it. If he swung around from 9-5 as these other colorful guys do then people would see him and the angle of the sceptics would be even weaker. However if he drives around at night in this unmarked vehicle(never confirmed to be his imo again, not exactly the Ecto1) then it's all the more rational that he is 'rarely if ever seen'. If no one ever saw inside the Pope mobile, then its fair to assume he may not actually be in it(/smiley)
Never suggested he stopped using his vehicles...
Funny enough, he gets this vehicle around inconspicuously enough for the hot in pursuit cops and their warrants to not see him do his often delicate work, I find myself wondering how given it’s a tank and people see it every single night.

He drives wherever he needs to go, but he also uses his rope and glides. People will see him. Not rocket science.

The cops would only pursue him when he's starting out, not forever (eye roll).

As for your question about my meaning when I said batman himself would actually rarely be seen. When you asked, who or what would then bee sighted.
Answers: Some jet over head with tinted windows, some car with tinted windows, some murky(non touched up) image in some alley, some second hand story hopefully by a source more believable than a guy being booked for jail or arkham no less, some gliding image high above and at night(possibly human), some signal...I consider all that on the weaker side of circumstantial ongoing sightings. To see the opposite:
See, superman making a speech in front of his statue on the 6 o'clock news.
See Stark announcing himself on live TV and later in congress with subsequent appearances in helmet free armor, Spiderman fights transformers at 4 o'clock in the noon in new york with hundreds of eye witnesses..
It's different, or at least it can be. Depends on your 'preference' I suppose.

In 20 years, no one will see him get out of his Tank, Bat-wing? Sounds legit

And you keep insisting that only criminals or insane people ever get a look at him. And you wonder why I use (smiley) on you...

I remember batman making that escape from the abandoned building swat team in the year one book. And just how many people on scene actually saw him with their own eyes...

Sorry. And? That doesn't mean that's how it's always going to be, unless he turns into a Bat-Ghost that you seem to be craving.

As for Santa, yes I pointed to how many 'fakes' so many people see of him come a certain season and what exactly that does for his myth status. I find myself again looking this wonderfully convenient phenomena…

and waxing poetic about all the things it does to and for the batman myth in the presumed world.

Bill Maher, has more or less taken camera crews to such places(smiley)

I don't know if I should laugh or cry, or just (smiley). I want to take you seriously Marvin, I do.

As for the difference between batman interacting with random people and that confirming his existence to the world vs standing next to superman in a real photo in which superman himself claims he's standing next to batman. You have to be kidding. Surely?
Ask this exact same question 'deep throat'(the watergate source leak guy), seems silly.. interacting with people..

Ah so if Superman is in the picture then it's a real picture, but if the picture only shows Batman then it's dubious. Sounds legit.

Yes, you keep hiding behind the 'mythos'. Wave it like some banner you are fighting for outside of some clinic. Fighting that good fight for the sanctity of batman and his “mythos” as you yourself define it. Fight against the part where just about every single thing can arguably remain in tact save for everyone and their mother knowing he's as real as Michael Jordan. Oh that's right, the key elements of the mythos such as he ‘interacting’ with people are predicated on the greater public knowing he's real, gone to the wind I suppose. Figures to assume that sort of important stuff can still work with him being myth wouldn't make any "sense".
The good fight.

And you're crying about Santa Claus and Tupac to try to defend this sillyness It's not how I define the mythos, it's how it has been presented for the most part brah. If you're on board with whatever they throw at you that's cool, as long as it looks cool, just like MOS. Right?

 

[Bathead]

anyone ?

I'm not sure you're actually allowed to request something like that here.

 

[Showtime]

anyone ?

Hi.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm not sure you're actually allowed to request something like that here.

If the trailer is not officially released, then he's not allowed.

 

[Showtime]

He shouldn't be asking here, but this is the internet, it's out there somewhere.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Lol on another site someone said the fact that they are making a darker 3 part JL animated series that it confirms there won't be jokes in the live action film universe