BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 96

[KRYPTON INC.]

Marv... Mr. Knight...

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Sincerely yours,
The combined Superman/Batman fandom of the known Universe and all related alternate dimensions.

 

[godisawesome]

Arrow's second season trump cards were Manu Bennett and a well executed multi-arc season.

It avoided the usual combination of one single over-arching season arc and formulaic episodic nature for every individual episode. Instead, we had several mini-arcs that either ran together for four or five episodes or spread out; Black Canary Begins in the first set of episodes, the Suicide Squad serial, Amazo ship pt 1, Brother Blood and Grundy, Amazo ship pt2, and the final Deathstroke mega arc. All these were major arcs that took up the A-Plots of the episodes they were in, giving the series surprisingly tight pacing and an ability to shake up the status quo from episode to episode. I can only think of about two episodes that wound up being qualifiable as filler.

And Manu Bennett pretty much defined the season's highs. The guy's building an impressive resume and his intensity and charisma make up for a lot of the casts and writings deficiencies. He's clearly a different interpretation of Slade Wilson than the one from Teen Titans, but there's a visceral edge to him that makes him irresistible on screen. The closest match to his skill is probably Susanna Thompson, and their one scene together where the characters know each other is powerful.

Arrow's first season had several issues that I would say made it mediocre at times. But, barring a still jarring female lead, the second season is night unbeatable compared to even most other comic movies. So if the first season scared you off, that's perfectly understandable. But the second does deserve a good look.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

What a story, Mark.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

The guy playing Deadshot on Arrow is basically how I imagine Deadshot from the comics in live action.

 

[StarLord]

Arrow's second season trump cards were Manu Bennett and a well executed multi-arc season.

It avoided the usual combination of one single over-arching season arc and formulaic episodic nature for every individual episode. Instead, we had several mini-arcs that either ran together for four or five episodes or spread out; Black Canary Begins in the first set of episodes, the Suicide Squad serial, Amazo ship pt 1, Brother Blood and Grundy, Amazo ship pt2, and the final Deathstroke mega arc. All these were major arcs that took up the A-Plots of the episodes they were in, giving the series surprisingly tight pacing and an ability to shake up the status quo from episode to episode. I can only think of about two episodes that wound up being qualifiable as filler.

And Manu Bennett pretty much defined the season's highs. The guy's building an impressive resume and his intensity and charisma make up for a lot of the casts and writings deficiencies. He's clearly a different interpretation of Slade Wilson than the one from Teen Titans, but there's a visceral edge to him that makes him irresistible on screen. The closest match to his skill is probably Susanna Thompson, and their one scene together where the characters know each other is powerful.

Arrow's first season had several issues that I would say made it mediocre at times. But, barring a still jarring female lead, the second season is night unbeatable compared to even most other comic movies. So if the first season scared you off, that's perfectly understandable. But the second does deserve a good look.

Deathstroke was the best thing about season 2. Manu Bennett is brilliant in the role.

 

[zryson]

Its why I've never really cared whether or not we get a solo Flash or WW film. Chances are it'd either be ok, mediocre, or absolutely terrible.

A solo WW film will be a tough act for WB. My fear is that the studio will change Diana to make her modern but will do away with the elements which have made her endure for so many decades. As for the Flash, looking at the terrible costume they gave the new actor in the TV series, I'm not really hopeful of WB pulling off a solo Flash movie either. If they couldnt make GL work, the chances are slim they can make a successful franchise out of The Flash.

 

[zryson]

How would a sinister six movie without spider man work honestly? Sony is just a complete mess. No one wants a Spider Man cinematic universe.

Spider-Man is hugely popular. Its just that the movies Sony are churning out fare badly when compared against the previous franchise.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

A solo WW film will be a tough act for WB. My fear is that the studio will change Diana to make her modern but will do away with the elements which have made her endure for so many decades. As for the Flash, looking at the terrible costume they gave the new actor in the TV series, I'm not really hopeful of WB pulling off a solo Flash movie either. If they couldnt make GL work, the chances are slim they can make a successful franchise out of The Flash.

giving wb credit for gl and thinking they'd **** the bed with ww or the flash would be the same as giving them credit for nolan's trilogy. all of this is hearsay until they hire the people to helm those projects. lots of folks wanted less goyer, and wb turns around and hires one of batfleck's oscar winning partners. it'd be fantastic if they had a feige, but guys like feige don't grow on trees. so, we're going to have to make do with affleck and snyder which, is a pretty decent pair if you ask me.

 

[zryson]

giving wb credit for gl and thinking they'd **** the bed with ww or the flash would be the same as giving them credit for nolan's trilogy. all of this is hearsay until they hire the people to helm those projects. lots of folks wanted less goyer, and wb turns around and hires one of batfleck's oscar winning partners. it'd be fantastic if they had a feige, but guys like feige don't grow on trees. so, we're going to have to make do with affleck and snyder which, is a pretty decent pair if you ask me.

Your comment about Goyer is interesting because for a time people thought Goyer was going to be the go-to guy for WB when it comes to all their superhero projects. But the turnaround has been swift in public opinion.

 

[kguillou]

A solo WW film will be a tough act for WB. My fear is that the studio will change Diana to make her modern but will do away with the elements which have made her endure for so many decades. As for the Flash, looking at the terrible costume they gave the new actor in the TV series, I'm not really hopeful of WB pulling off a solo Flash movie either. If they couldnt make GL work, the chances are slim they can make a successful franchise out of The Flash.

Maybe it's just me but I just do not see what's so hard about making a Wonder Woman movie. It's been said many times but the WW DTV that came out years ago is the PERFECT template for how to do a Wonder Woman movie. An epic, exotic, witty, self-aware movie about a woman from Paradise who learns to adapt in the cruel, harsh world of man is, imo, such an easy story to write and not very hard to nail. But maybe that's just me. The hardest part I suppose is getting an actress who can nail Diana. Someone who can be fierce, vulnerable and charming all at the same time.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

You know how WB can be in the right direction with Flash?

Casting Aaron Paul as Barry.

 

[dhandler01]

I personally enjoy arrow and have a few theories as to why it's as effective as it is. However, Heroes season one would like a word with you.

Heroes Season 1 was good until the total craptacular finale. Just so lame and completely killed the series for me!

Arrow Season 2 trumps it...and if the Flash pilot is any indication that series is gonna be epic

As for on topic stuff...I see we are back in the cycle of people complaining that WB is moving too slow and so on and so forth. By Monday am sure WB will be rushing things again and have no direction.

 

[Pickleweasel]

So people went to see prequels to ensemble-cast movies like Inception? Damn, I must have missed how Arthur met Cobb and how they came to be close partners.

Didn't you see the shawshank prequels? Where it showed how all the cons got into the prison? Did you see the prequels to those? The one where the cons are all kids? Just so we as the audience wouldn't be confused and think they were born 30 years old

 

[Mysteryman]

Right now, I just want to travel through time and see the first trailer for BVS!

 

[John Locke]

I for one loved Ocean's 1 through 10 by the time 11 came out I really felt like I knew those characters.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

You know how WB can be in the right direction with Flash?

Casting Aaron Paul as Barry.

Breaking Bad is over Johnny... IT'S OVER.

Let it go.

You were a fan? Kudos. Here's a medal for watching a great TV drama. Now reconcile yourself with Paul never, ever playing the Flash. Cuz that's how things are gonna play out. Unless someone from the BB team gets a CBM, Paul aint getting cast. A fine actor with a great series on his resume, but... He's not Barry Allen or Wally West.

 

[Mysteryman]

Funny how we have not really had any consistent Flash casting rumors .
Maybe they are waiting until after BVS.
Perhaps they will introduce The Flash in JL.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm think that Flash is going to get the same treatment Jan and Hank got in Avengers. I lived with it there. I'll live with it here.

 

[John Locke]

I'm think that Flash is going to get the same treatment Jan and Hank got in Avengers. I lived with it there. I'll live with it here.

We've got too many rumors of Flash for that to happen but I think that could happen to Green Lantern.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

We've got too many rumors of Flash for that to happen but I think that could happen to Green Lantern.

I aint saying that's how I want it. I want a minimum of the Big Five, and frankly, would rather it just be the canon original 7. But we aint there in terms of CBMS yet. I get the reasoning behind the change ups, begrudgingly. But I think it's Flash that could get the Pym treatment especially with the TV show going on (unless we get the DCCU Multi-verse, and then... ALL BETS ARE OFF!!!)

What Flash rumors? The only semi concrete one is that some SFX guys let drop that Superman is tested in the speed department. Well... Sure. Flash would be the top of the list of characters that could and should do that. But it's a list. There are those that could arguably also do that, one of whom, Wonder Woman, is confirmed. But I suppose that having a Flash that is NOT the TV one on the big screen would be the best way to thread in the DC Multiverse, so, sure, Flash could happen. My gut just tells me different.

 

[John Locke]

We've also had reports of Flash making a cameo on a security camera stopping a robbery. He could happen but I don't think he will. Green Lantern might be getting the boot.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Holy **** Fox.

Batman V Superman, X-Men Apocalypse, Dr Strange, Cap 3, maybe Shazam, AND NOW DEADPOOL IN 2016?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!

MY BODY WASN'T READY FOR THAT!!!!

Deadpool movie is finally happening!! About friggin time! So stoked.t:

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Yet Batman vs Superman are going to throw to many characters at the audience characters that much of the audience are not going to have any knowledge of. Justice League will be far worse.

I don't believe that WB/DC needs to follow the same format as Marvel. It is possible to make a solo film that isn't directly coping what Marvel is doing.

Solo films are important. It helps the audience to understand the heroes before they come together as a team. It also means that when you do a team up movie you don't have to suck up screen time to giving some sort of background on said characters. Which is exactly what they are going to have to do for Justice league if they don't want a lot of confused and lost audience members. Solo films also allow the individual actors to get comfortable with there said roles before they get to the team up film.

Batman vs Superman and Justice League could be epic if it goes over well with the audience. If the actors really shine through and pull it off and make the characters fun and interesting and not tedious and boring. If they don't if they can't pull of there roles and they loose the audience that's it game over. It's not just once character that's going to fall through the crack it's going to be all of them. WB/DC will pull back from DC type films and it will be a very very long time before they take another stab.

In the end all we can do is wait and see. I don't know why but I have had a bad feeling about this from the get go. It's everything from casting choices down the line. Maybe my feelings will change once I start see trailers but for now I just think it's going to back fire on WB/DC.

See, I just don't buy that. Did we need solo Oceans Eleven movies of all the characters before the team up film ? No, and it still worked.

If a movie is good it's good, if it's bad it's bad.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

See, I just don't buy that. Did we need solo Oceans Eleven movies of all the characters before the team up film ? No, and it still worked.

If a movie is good it's good, if it's bad it's bad.

Yeah, been tired of the people hitting the panic button because of the number of characters in the film, you'd think they had not the wit to realize that not every character is gonna have the same amount of screen time.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

As for on topic stuff...I see we are back in the cycle of people complaining that WB is moving too slow and so on and so forth. By Monday am sure WB will be rushing things again and have no direction.

It's lame and tired isn't it? The circle of life on the SuperheroHype message board forums....and it seems to the same people also. It's madness...