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Are Nice Guys Doormats For Women???

another thing that pisses me off about girls is that they always need thier friends help when it comes to looking for the right guy........ why the hell do they need approval?
 
Some people think their friends know them pretty well, so they'd be apt to seeing if someone is right for you especially if you are known for picking crappy dating material.
 
I'm taking he means, that's why he's not as familiar with the female gender? :huh:
 
This what I have learned from women since my 30 years on mother earth.

Women want men who have backbone...grow some balls.

Be nice but don't be a doormat, and please for the love of God...learn to say NO.

The point is be a man not a wimp:o
 
I've heard of some beautiful women having trouble on fidning a good man,because they attract the bad ones. but is it really that hard for a beautiful girl to actually go out and search for the guy she wants,instea dof waiting around attracting the *****ebags?

Plenty of those women DO go out and search for the guy they want....believe it or not, a good guy can be hard to find.
 
I've found out that the more I think I know about women, the less I actually know about them. No point in trying to figure them out. I just accept the fact that they are different from us and just have fun with them as long as it lasts.
 
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Just go tap as much ass as you can while young, then when you hit 40 settle down with someone nice. Game, set, match.
 
Plenty of those women DO go out and search for the guy they want....believe it or not, a good guy can be hard to find.

i honestly don't think it is.sure you might have actually go out there and try, but im sure finding one ain't that hard.
 
i honestly don't think it is.sure you might have actually go out there and try, but im sure finding one ain't that hard.
No...she is right. It is. And don't start thinking awkward men who cannot get dates count as "good guys".
 
This what I have learned from women since my 30 years on mother earth.

Women want men who have backbone...grow some balls.

Be nice but don't be a doormat, and please for the love of God...learn to say NO.

The point is be a man not a wimp:o

:up:
 
i honestly don't think it is.sure you might have actually go out there and try, but im sure finding one ain't that hard.

No...she is right. It is. And don't start thinking awkward men who cannot get dates count as "good guys".

SB answered it for me. Seriously GAH, as much as men ***** about how hard it is to find women, it's just as hard to for a woman to find a good man. Any guy who thinks otherwise is being ignorant, sorry.
 
I love it.

Smart Woman: This is how many women feel, GAH.

GAH: Well, you're wrong!

:rolleyes:

jag
 
The guy was raised that way, he can't help it, Anita. He's had it pounded into his brain all his life that being nice and gentlemenly will get him far. And unfortunately as you showed him, it won't. He's got to have "personality" which I think is what charm is, and possibly muscles and money if he wants to have a chance.
I never said that those guys never got far. I'm sure many of them are quite successful, financially and otherwise. I don't care about muscles, and I don't care about money. I don't need anyone to be "nice" to me and do things for me. I want someone who has some kind of passion, because I have passions and I can't relate to someone who just lives life going through the motions. It's a matter of attractability. I'm just not attracted to those kinds of guys, and I don't think I have to make myself attracted to those kinds of guys if I just aren't. (And yes, I've been single for a while and I'm pretty used to it by now. I'm picky, but at least I don't break up with guys because they have small penises, like a friend of mine does.)

Said friend isn't very hot in the mainstream sense of the word, but she looooves men, and lets them know it. She's still :csad: though since she's convinced that they only like her cause she's easy. Doesn't help that she works with 30-y-o elementary school boys and that they're :whatever: kind of immature. Aaaaaanyways, relationships are tough and I'm glad I don't have to think about them. :oldrazz:

Because nice guys think they should get the girl because they are "nice", not taking into account attraction and compatibility? Nice guys seem to confuse kindness for attraction and that's their mistake.

Secondly, if a guy is only being nice, because his ulterior motive is to get with a woman, how can he really call himself "nice".

Lastly, in the end, it has to do with attraction, nice doesn't mean pushover, someone nice can be assertive and confident and they have no trouble getting women. Most people who blame being "nice" as their downfall, are just looking for an excuse.
Exactly. Erz gets women. :cwink:
 
As I read through the thread, I see that others have picked up on the same thing I did when I read the title of the thread......nice does not mean weak.....do I want a guy to have a weak personality, unable to make a decision, etc.....no way.....but do I want a guy to be respectful, know how to treat a woman, yes I do.........do I want a "momma's boy"? no......do I want a guy that "respects his momma" yes....
 
The Nice Guy Paradox [Solved]


Most guys know about the nice guy paradox. It’s where they’ve been told since they were young — both by women and by society in general — that women like “nice” guys. And because they’ve been told this over and over, most guys grow up trying this approach only to have reality pee in their faces.
This bothers guys. A lot. Why would women claim to want someone who will treat them nice, but then repeatedly turn down or mistreat those that give them exactly what they want? Well, I have the answer, and like most major truisms it’s pretty simple:

Women like when guys are nice to them, but only when they don’t have to be.


Think about that. Most guys exclusively using the “nice” approach are doormats, and many are so because that’s all they can be. They lack the attributes to attract a woman based on pure gravity (physical size/strength/prowess, ambition, sexuality, intelligence, money, etc.). As a result, these guys are essentially forced to grovel to attract a mate, which is patently unattractive.


Quite simply, women like powerful men to be nice to them, not feminized pseudo-men. A weak man being nice to a woman is essentially an act of submission, like a beggar bowing his head and calling you sir. Sure, they were respectful to you, but they just asked you for money so it’s not as meaningful as if it came from a peer or superior.


To get the true benefit of “nice” in the way that women enjoy, one has to be able to attract that same woman without being nice, i.e. by the sheer force of masculine character. Only once that foundation of primal respect is in place can the higher-order offerings such as kindness be appreciated. It’s counter-intuitve and it’s unpleasant, but we’re dealing with nature here. Don’t fight the rules; to do so is as pointless as picketing gravity or boycotting inertia.:​

Posted by Daniel Miessler

http://dmiessler.com/blogarchive/the-nice-guy-paradox-solved

Interesting...
 
no nice guys arent doormats, they are hard to find though :)
im lucky :) i have one :)
 
No...she is right. It is. And don't start thinking awkward men who cannot get dates count as "good guys".

I understand that physical attraction -is- important. And if a woman simply put isn't attracted to me, then I understand.

Trust me, not every woman who has rejected me has been a *****. I don't get disgruntled and think a woman is stupid -just- because she rejected me. I have had a few occassions where a woman has turned me down, and I still appreciated her and respected her because it was clear that for whatever reason, her and I just didn't click. I can accept that.

I also know that there are quite a few occassions in which I um... just didn't handle the situation properly. And I can name off quite a few occassions where I was a complete dip**** in the situation, and quite frankly, didn't deserve to land the girl.

But, I do believe the situation is true - women -say- they want a good man, but when that good man is right in front of their face, they don't want him. All this "pushover", and "excitement" bull**** is really just an -excuse- for women, I believe, to try to justify all of their ****ty choices in men, because they are too shallow to actually choose someone who will treat them with respect and dignity, but offers less of the materialistic goods.

No, not all women are like this. I know -plenty- of women who love their men, their men really -is- the good guy, and they truly appreciate him for who he is, regardless of his materialistic provisions. So yea, I know that not all women are the shallow beasts that many disgruntled men make them out to be. Unfortunatley for me, all the good women that I know are taken.

But if you say that men *****ing about women not wanting the nice guy is just us making excuses, then I say that women claiming they don't want "pushovers", or they go for the bad guys because he's "exciting" is just a pathetic excuse women use to justify their shallow decisions.

Why does is automatically make us a pushover to have the mentality that we would do -anything- for our women? Hell, I am like that now, with a woman who I am not trying to attract. She is one of my best friends, and she is with a friend of mine. I am not, in the least bit, trying to attract her. But I would do anything for her, and I've done everything for her. It's not because I'm some kind of pushover. It's because I have a kind heart, and the people who I care about, I simply would do anything for. And quite frankly, she is -worth- all of the effort that I put in to do things for her, and to take care of her.

It doesn't make me a pushover. I don't do these things because she wants me to. I do these things because -I- want to. Because I love her. Because I value her. And because I am a very generous, caring, and giving person.

But those attributes are, unfairly, judged by women as being a pushover. Being unable to say no. Being weak.

Good men aren't hard to find. Women just choose not to see it.

Sorry, a relationship... a REAL relationship, that is about true love, and commitment, is not about images, and games. It's not about being "exciting". It's not about being able to say "no". It's not about any of those "rules" that women put on men. It's about finding someone who you connect with. I believe there are 3 levels of connection in a relationship - mental, physical, and emotional. All 3 of those are equally important, so if a woman is simply put not attracted to me physically, or mentally, or does not have that emotional investment, then fine. I understand that.

But women automatically don't -allow- themselves to get those attatchments because a man doesn't meet particular requirements. Oh, he doesn't have an ambitious enough job. Oh big ****ing deal. Oh he still lives with his parents. Big deal, I know -lots- of people who still live at home. Living at home doesn't equate to being some awkward loser ass nerd sitting on a computer in his mom's basement. Sometimes you're still at home just because you need a little bit of assistance to make it in this world.

I'm confident. I have my own ambitions and goals that I want to pursue. It has nothing to do with that.

But, women don't come to me, and I truly do believe it is, in large part, due to shallow games that women play. Because they value "sponanaity", "excitement", and all that bull**** over that true connection that people share in a real relationship. They don't allow themselves to even get to know who I am as a person, they've made up their mind already because of my car, or because of whatever they want to make that decision on.

Hey, sorry that I haven't travelled the world. Sorry that if we're together, I'm not going to be taking you on fabulous trips to Europe, and Asia, and Australia. Sorry that I don't have connections to get you into all of the coolest parties in town, and sorry that I don't know everybody who's anybody. Sorry that I'm still working retail, because I haven't yet accomplished by career objectives yet, and I'm sorry that it took me a bit longer than it should to get my educational career truly on track.

Those are the shallow things that piss me off about women. Always talking about "excitement", and "spontanaity".

"Surprise me!" "Do something unexpected!" "Take me somewhere I wouldn't expect!"

You know what? That kind of stuff is fun. Yes! I agree.

But because I can't provide that to you, all of a sudden I'm some unconfident, unambitious "nice guy" who lets women walk all over him because he can't assert himself.

Not realizing that if you -were- my girlfriend, I would freaking give the world for you. I would treat you with all of the respect and dignity that you deserved. I would give you all of the emotional attention you ever desired. I would love you more than anything in this whole world. And I would do absolutley -anything- for you to take care of you, to protect you, and to make you happy.

It has absolutley nothing to do with being a pushover. It has absolutley nothing to do with being unambitious, or unconfident. It has everything to do with the fact that I -am- a loving, generous, and caring person, and when somebody means so much to me, I would do absolutley -everything- to show how I feel about that person.

That is exactly what women ***** about not having. That is exactly what women say they want. But that is also exactly what women refuse to see when it is in front of their face.

And when I say women, again, I don't mean all women. I am pretty frustrated and disgruntled with women, but I also realize that not all women are shallow. Not all women are *****es. And definatley not every women was even wrong to turn me down.

Attraction -is- important, and you sometimes just don't have that for someone. And you cannot blame someone for not being attracted to another person. There are plenty of women that I simply am not attracted to, and they are probably great women. And yes, I'm been attracted to my fair share of bad women also. It's not a matter of "I'm a nice guy, so women should flock to me"

Women have rejected me, and I have understood, and felt no hard feelings, other than my own personal disappointment because things didn't go the way I wanted. I also have dealt with situations in which I do not blame the woman one bit for rejecting me, because simply put, I acted like a moron.

But I honestly do feel that women, in general, do not appreciate the good man. You can make your claims about how they want someone assertive, or not a pushover, or confident, or what have you. But I call bull****. I think women want you to be exactly a certain way, and they don't appreciate what truly matters in a person. A person who is nice, because he wants to be, is a "pushover" when that's simply not the case. A person who is nice, because he wants to be, is "unassertive", or "unconfident", or "not exciting", when that's simply not the case. Women just don't want to give it a chance, because it's not flashed in front of your face.

Women say "be yourself", but they don't want you to be yourself. They want you to be this fabricated image of what they think is "exciting". They get duped into the act, and then act like there are no god men around. When that good man probably already approached her, and she wouldn't even give him the time of day because his package (and I'm not just talking about his outside physical looks) wasn't "exciting" enough.

That was long, sorry.
 

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