Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Slade W]

He belittled her in seasons 3 and 2. He did set out to hurt her. Otherwise he wouldn't have purposely happily done what he did. He never made it up to her in the real universe. I don't care if Laurel forgave him. Just because I defend the character doesn't mean that I'm a fan of her or follow her lead. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

How did he belittle her? He did not set out to hurt her. Making a mistake that results in hurting someone does not mean they wanted to hurt them. He did make it up to her in in the real universe and that is why she forgave him. You caring whether she forgave him or not is irrelevant. He made it up to her and that is why she forgave him.

 

[Thome216]

Oliver didn't cheat on Laurel with malice of forethought. He was a stupid young man more interested in his own wants and desires that pretty much blinded him to the needs of others, including Laurel.

And to disagree gently, the world is as full of grays as the human soul can imagine.

My wondering is, if Oliver is dreaming of his 'perfect world' does Laurel being his bride-to-be mean that she was wrong in believing she was not his 'true love?'

Or is this an instance where her being at the alter across from him is what begins to foster doubts about his 'reality?'

 

[Batsfan1]

How did he belittle her? He did not set out to hurt her. Making a mistake that results in hurting someone does not mean they wanted to hurt them. He did make it up to her in in the real universe and that is why she forgave him. You caring whether she forgave him or not is irrelevant. He made it up to her and that is why she forgave him.

Oliver's an adult. He made a choice to do something that would hurt her and accepted that, meaning either he wanted to or didn't care. If he didn't feel that way, he wouldn't have made that choice. He belittled her while she was attempting to help the team in season 3. And in season 2 during the Sara debacle. As for the other stuff:

He never made it up to her in the real universe, because humans can't make up for any bad thing that they've done on their own.

Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[Slade W]

Oliver's an adult. He made a choice to do something that would hurt her and accepted that, meaning either he wanted to or didn't care.If he didn't feel that way, he wouldn't have made that choice.

When cheating on her, he did not want to hurt her. There is absolutely zero to suggest he wanted to hurt her. Like a lot of people that cheat, he probably thought at the time that he could get away with it and she would never find out. The fact that even on the island he still loved her suggests that he did not want her to find out or think that she would.

That doesn't excuse him or people who cheat, it is obviously not a nice thing to do. With that said, cheating is something that people can be and are forgiven for in lots of situations, if the person that cheated is genuinely sorry and if their partners believes they will never do it again. Given how heroic and good a person Oliver has become since he came back from the island (only Barry is comparable) and the fact that he has saved Laurel and her father several times since coming back, it is perfectly understandable that Laurel would believe and accept he has changed, forgive him and fall in love with him again.

He belittled her while she was attempting to help the team in season 3. And in season 2 during the Sara debacle.

Can you be more specific?

He never made it up to her in the real universe, because humans can't make up for any bad thing that they've done on their own.

What do you mean?

 

[mariajoycemerry]

The new trailer inspired me alot and the way Arrow,The Flash,Supergirl,Crossover, and DC legends merge like gel to defeat aliens. These episodes totally nailed it.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Interview to Rick Gonzalez:

http://lospaziobianco.com/925-the-wild-dog-justice-interview-to-rick-gonzalez-arrow/

 

[Lencho01]

[YT]omVm4x5Q-CE[/YT]

 

[The Apocalypse]

The whole crossover just looks really fun. Can't wait til Monday.

 

[Thome216]

The whole crossover just looks really fun. Can't wait til Monday.

Tuesday. Sorry...

 

[Jedi Arrow]

You know, having just gone through S3 again on Netflix, I think the S3 flashbacks are perhaps the best part of the season. Tatsu and Maseo are both incredibly likeable characters and the chemistry they have with Oliver is so awesome. The first three or four episodes' flashbacks got off to a rough start, maybe, but the rest of the season? Man, it wasn't perfect (and the episode where he went back to Starling was sort of cringey), but the overall flashback story was fun at times, and when it was deep it carried an emotional weight that S4's flashback missed.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I just wish that they had given us more of happy Laurel/TA working together and her integrating more before descending into madness and the same old same old. The beginning was sooo refreshing.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I just wish that they had given us more of happy Laurel/TA working together and her integrating more before descending into madness and the same old same old. The beginning was sooo refreshing.

Are you referring to the beginning of S4 or the beginning of Laurel's career as BC?

 

[Kelly]

Tuesday. Sorry...

No, he can watch Monday as well....you trying to keep Supergirl from getting some of the love? Come on Thome.....

 

[Primal Slayer]

Are you referring to the beginning of S4 or the beginning of Laurel's career as BC?

I'm talking about the beginning of S3, the first 30mins of Laurel being happy and her/Oliver working together "you catch, I put em away".

The beginning of S4 is also something that I wish they had worked with longer then they did. Black Canary/Speedy/Spartan were the best/most interesting incarnation of TA.

 

[Paradox1]

I'm talking about the beginning of S3, the first 30mins of Laurel being happy and her/Oliver working together "you catch, I put em away".

The beginning of S4 is also something that I wish they had worked with longer then they did. Black Canary/Speedy/Spartan were the best/most interesting incarnation of TA.

They were and I was loving the sisterly thing that was going on between Laurel and Thea. I wanted them to build on it but they dropped the ball big time.

 

[Thome216]

No, he can watch Monday as well....you trying to keep Supergirl from getting some of the love? Come on Thome.....

No! She's mine I tells ya. Mine, all mine!!

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I'm talking about the beginning of S3, the first 30mins of Laurel being happy and her/Oliver working together "you catch, I put em away".

Oh. Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. They had a nice dynamic going.

The beginning of S4 is also something that I wish they had worked with longer then they did. Black Canary/Speedy/Spartan were the best/most interesting incarnation of TA.

Yes. S4's TA in general was pretty on point even though they didn't spend enough time with each individual character. S4 had its flaws but the lineup they chose was not one of them. It was the execution that was flawed.

 

[DawnWarrior]

I finally caught up with the show (along with the rest of the DC lineup) and I gotta say, while I think the show's picking up lately (yay Dolph!), this last episode bugged me A LOT.

How is Vigilante able to routinely wipe the floor with all of TA singlehandedly? He's not Deathstroke, he doesn't have super-strength, and he doesn't have Oliver's experience. He's hilariously outnumbered, and yet the guys can't seem to do anything except run around like chickens with their heads cut off. The notion of Oliver fighting someone similar to the way he was in Season 1 ought to be interesting, but I couldn't believe he could still be this plagued with self doubt just because some punk showed up who likes to give speeches in between shooting people. So what if Oliver's mission hasn't succeeded? He spent a whole year doing it Vigilante's way and figured out it was wrong. That should have been the theme of the show: Oliver confronting his Season 1 self and kicking his ass. The whole thing ringed false, like we've been around this block before.

Since he escaped at the end, I hope that leads to what I wanted to see the whole time: Vigilante returning, and Team Arrow working together to take him down. I have my own version of that in my head already, so I hope the actual one is as satisfying.

 

[rashad]

 

[Primal Slayer]

That picture still makes me laugh, I don't know why they didn't get one without the two execs and whoever that guy is.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Am I the only one who thinks Curtis 'T face' guy is a horrible character?

I just can't stand him.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Am I the only one who thinks Curtis 'T face' guy is a horrible character?

I just can't stand him.

There are probably others. But I kind of like him. He sort of adds comic relief and he is big enough to be believable as a vigilante. Plus he is the only Gay main character left on Arrow.

 

[famicommander]

At least Curtis is an olympic quality athlete. Plus he's developing some gadgets and has a genius level intellect.

How much sense does it make for a 17 year old girl to be out there fighting with the rest of the crew? She wasn't trained by a secret society of assassins. She doesn't have ~10 years of experience fighting for her life. She doesn't have special military training. She doesn't have a costume with bullet catching rags.

Even Thea and Laurel's transitions into crimefighters were pretty questionable.

 

[Batsfan1]

When cheating on her, he did not want to hurt her. There is absolutely zero to suggest he wanted to hurt her. Like a lot of people that cheat, he probably thought at the time that he could get away with it and she would never find out. The fact that even on the island he still loved her suggests that he did not want her to find out or think that she would.

That just proves that he doesn't love her more. The complete lack of respect involved in that thinking for the person being cheated on shows how little caring he really truly had for her. He didn't love her on the island. He made her into his guilt trophy object. A manifestation of his previous life that he could pine for. The fact that only after he'd been slapped down did he feel bad for his actions at all shows that he never loved her. The fact that he was only concerned for her feelings because she would find out proves that.

That doesn't excuse him or people who cheat, it is obviously not a nice thing to do. With that said, cheating is something that people can be and are forgiven for in lots of situations, if the person that cheated is genuinely sorry and if their partners believes they will never do it again. Given how heroic and good a person Oliver has become since he came back from the island (only Barry is comparable) and the fact that he has saved Laurel and her father several times since coming back, it is perfectly understandable that Laurel would believe and accept he has changed, forgive him and fall in love with him again.

Oliver's not a good person. He's a serial murderer. The only change is his actions getting violent. But him being forgiven by them doesn't change anything he's done. Laurel's forgiveness doesn't matter. He still did them. Her forgiveness doesn't change that and nothing he does or will ever do on his own will ever change that.

Can you be more specific.

Time Of Death/Canaries.

What do you mean?

Actions are unchangeable by humans. There's no scale. It can't be evened out. Nothing can by done by his actions on his own. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[Slade W]

That just proves that he doesn't love her more. The complete lack of respect involved in that thinking for the person being cheated on shows how little caring he really truly had for her. He didn't love her on the island. He made her into his guilt trophy object. A manifestation of his previous life that he could pine for. The fact that only after he'd been slapped down did he feel bad for his actions at all shows that he never loved her. The fact that he was only concerned for her feelings because she would find out proves that.

No, it doesn't. Plenty of people have cheated on someone that they love. Just because you cheat on someone, does not mean you do not love them. Plenty of people get back together after one of them cheated, if the cheater is genuinely sorry and if their partner believes they will not do it again.

If he didn't love her, he wouldn't care if she found out. He didn't want her to find out because he obviously did not want her to stop loving him. He almost sabotaged his and Slades escape mission by calling Laurel when he was on the island. Of course he loved her.

Oliver's not a good person. He's a serial murderer. The only change is his actions getting violent. But him being forgiven by them doesn't change anything he's done. Laurel's forgiveness doesn't matter. He still did them. Her forgiveness doesn't change that and he does or will ever do on his own will ever change that.

Oliver is definitely a good person. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be loved by the vast majority of fans. He would have a similar reception to Don Draper on Mad Men if he wasn't, who does lots of questionable thing, and while enjoyed by the audience and fans, plenty call him nasty things for what he does.

Also, the likes of Barry, Diggle, Laurel and others who are good people would not associate themselves with Oliver if he wasn't a good person. He is definitely a good person. A very good person in fact. He regularly saves people and risks his life to help others. He killed people because that is what he was conditioned to do n the island and he thought it was the best way to deal with criminals. He then changed and only kills when necessary now.

Laurels forgiveness does matter. If a person he hurt forgives him, that speaks volumes about him. More than most peoples, if not everyones. Quentin forgave him too.

Time Of Death/Canaries..

When he did not want her out on the field? He was right to do that. She had little experience. That is a completely normal reaction. Most people would react that way. It is a rational and understandable reaction. He cared about her and did not want her to get hurt or worse. That was not belittling her at all.

Actions are unchangeable by humans. There's no scale. It can't be evened out. Nothing can by done by his actions on his own..

Using this logic, there are a lot of bad people in the world.

If Laurel forgave him, then he made it up to her. It is as simple as that.