Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Syncos]

That just proves that he doesn't love her more. The complete lack of respect involved in that thinking for the person being cheated on shows how little caring he really truly had for her. He didn't love her on the island. He made her into his guilt trophy object. A manifestation of his previous life that he could pine for. The fact that only after he'd been slapped down did he feel bad for his actions at all shows that he never loved her. The fact that he was only concerned for her feelings because she would find out proves that.

Oliver's not a good person. He's a serial murderer. The only change is his actions getting violent. But him being forgiven by them doesn't change anything he's done. Laurel's forgiveness doesn't matter. He still did them. Her forgiveness doesn't change that and nothing he does or will ever do on his own will ever change that.Time Of Death/Canaries.Actions are unchangeable by humans. There's no scale. It can't be evened out. Nothing can by done by his actions on his own. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

Turns out, good and evil, nice and mean, it's not black and white.
Humans are complicated. Rules are fabricated as a way of control.

So much of what we do is conditioning. People kill all the time for "the greater good" or what they believe to be the greater good. Wars are fought because of it. In most cases, that greater good is no more valid than the other sides greater good.

Are all soldiers "bad people"?

People are flawed. There is no person who is all good, or all bad. You may think you are. You may try to be. But life is shades of grey.

Oliver is not a "bad person" he's a flawed hero. He's made mistakes, and carries the burden for them. Thinks about them constantly. Is probably more hard on himself than he should be. That's what makes him a good person.

 

[Lencho01]

Arrow Showrunner Regrets Season 4 Olicity Storyline

 

[Deltron3030]

Man i hope legends of tomorrow gets canceled and Sarah can go back to Arrow. She's a really good in her fighting sequence and attractive to boot. I didn't like her originally on the show because of her ridiculous wig and corset but now she is freaking awesome.

 

[famicommander]

Man i hope legends of tomorrow gets canceled and Sarah can go back to Arrow. She's a really good in her fighting sequence and attractive to boot. I didn't like her originally on the show because of her ridiculous wig and corset but now she is freaking awesome.

There's a 0% chance Legends of Tomorrow is cancelled.

 

[metaphysician]

I finally caught up with the show (along with the rest of the DC lineup) and I gotta say, while I think the show's picking up lately (yay Dolph!), this last episode bugged me A LOT.

How is Vigilante able to routinely wipe the floor with all of TA singlehandedly? He's not Deathstroke, he doesn't have super-strength, and he doesn't have Oliver's experience. He's hilariously outnumbered, and yet the guys can't seem to do anything except run around like chickens with their heads cut off. The notion of Oliver fighting someone similar to the way he was in Season 1 ought to be interesting, but I couldn't believe he could still be this plagued with self doubt just because some punk showed up who likes to give speeches in between shooting people. So what if Oliver's mission hasn't succeeded? He spent a whole year doing it Vigilante's way and figured out it was wrong. That should have been the theme of the show: Oliver confronting his Season 1 self and kicking his ass. The whole thing ringed false, like we've been around this block before.

Since he escaped at the end, I hope that leads to what I wanted to see the whole time: Vigilante returning, and Team Arrow working together to take him down. I have my own version of that in my head already, so I hope the actual one is as satisfying.

Well, in theory, this could be a clue that there is more up with the Vigilante than just "guy with guns in some cool duds". Its even possible he's *not* Adrian Chase, and that is just a red herring.

Most likely, though, its just bad writing.

 

[Lencho01]

CW’s DC Crossover Producers Tease the Repercussions of ‘Invasion!’ (SPOILERS)

 

[Blitzkrieg]

http://heroichollywood.com/arrow-producer-talks-crossover-impact-big-twists-for-winter-finale/

While talking with Entertainment Weekly, Arrow EP Andrew Kreisberg spoke about how Oliver’s experiences will impact him moving forward, and reveals that he will need the strength he has gained from this episode as there are some “big twists” in store for him going into the midseason finale.

“It forced Oliver to double down on his mission and commit to this life with all of its loses and failures and challenges,”

The article then mentioned the “big twists” on the way for our hero.

He’ll need to be stronger because there are some big twists coming in the winter finale.

 

[Slade W]

The last episode got a massive ratings boost. I am sure it being the 100th episode played a part, but Barry most likely played the biggest part. He generally does give the show a big boost in that regard. A lot of the highest rated episodes from season 2 onwards have involved Barry. Along with Superman, Flash is probably the only A-lister that has featured in the Flarrowverse.

 

[SpideyVille]

The last episode got a massive ratings boost. I am sure it being the 100th episode played a part, but Barry most likely played the biggest part. He generally does give the show a big boost in that regard. A lot of the highest rated episodes from season 2 onwards have involved Barry. Along with Superman, Flash is probably the only A-lister that has featured in the Flarrowverse.

It's more likely the fact that it was part of a "crossover" event. You bring in fans from Supergirl and Flash who may not normally watch Arrow.

 

[Slade W]

It's more likely the fact that it was part of a "crossover" event. You bring in fans from Supergirl and Flash who may not normally watch Arrow.

That is kind of what I meant, but I didn't explain myself very well. With that said, I do think Barry alone could bring in a significant rise in the ratings. Even in Arrow season 2, which is regarded the best season, the episode with Barry had the most viewers. The character, along with Superman, is the most popular the Flarrowverse has gotten to use, and Gustin has been doing a very good job with him.

 

[antsman41]

...did I forget something, are we still waiting on a conclusion to Vigilante?

Seems weird there are two bad-guys and they are not working together, if so.

 

[Slade W]

Vigilante is an anti-hero, not a villain. He has not been revealed yet, but comic fans have a good idea who he is, unless they deviate from the comics.

 

[antsman41]

Vigilante is an anti-hero, not a villain. He has not been revealed yet, but comic fans have a good idea who he is, unless they deviate from the comics.

Ahh... just looked at Wiki, totally forgot he's trying to be the Punisher.

 

[Deltron3030]

Great first half of the season. I really hate these breaks that they do. They are too long. That really killed last season. Forgot the whole season when it re-aired

 

[Broseph44]

Great mid season finale, one of the best episodes so far this season. Arrow for myself so far has returned, its back on track. This is the Arrow I loved the first 2 seasons. Awesome episode I'm glad I didn't not have the ending ruined for me because I was at work and just finish the episode now. So glad I didn't see anything on social media.

 

[kguillou]

Everyones talking about Laurel but I'm way more interested in the great twist that Prometheus pulled on Oliver. This has got to be a vety pivotal point for Oliver and he's got to be really reevaluating himself and how his actions have consequences. More importantly, I am SO glad they did not have Felicity turn on him, bravo. She knows Ollie is a good person and she now has accepted what she signed up for, Diggle too. Its nice to not see them go back to the blame game.

 

[divan]

Yeah, the Laurel thing was intriguing but jsut the icing of the cake. Prometheus has been awesome.

 

[kguillou]

So, what was the point of Thea showing up in costume if she ended up doing nothing? Lol

 

[antsman41]

I really like Prometheus, but I wish he didn't look like a cross between Dark Archer/Rag Man/Scarecrow.

 

[DawnWarrior]

^Agreed. At least give him the helmet. It's a cool helmet. The baton would be nice too; every third villain on this show uses the bow and arrow, but nobody but Prometheus uses the stick.

Surprisingly, I'm digging how they're tying things back to season 1, especially how they made a concerted effort here to write everyone in the flashbacks like their old selves. It seems there was a discussion in the writers room about, "you know, I don't think we've really made Oliver pay for all the awful stuff he did in the first season," followed by, "Okay, let's make him pay for it. Big time."

 

[Loki882]

Ah, Arrow. Where female DC heroes go to be either ineffective, killed off or turn evil/homicidal.

So... Artemis has a problem with Oliver having once been a serial killer that targeted criminals, so her solution is to team up with the serial killer that kills cops and innocent people? So she's not just a traitor, she's an idiot to, it's the double-whammy.

It's like:

-After they killed off Shado, and Sara (in S3), and Laurel, etc in incredibly lame ways where they got no chance to really defend themselves (unlike the male character's deaths, where they DO tend to be more proactivr).

-After you brought Sara back, only to then dump her onto another show.

-After even the female villains cannot get satisfying deaths.

-After you turned Huntress from a morally grey but not totally evil anti-hero (in the comics) into a flat-out mass-murdering cop-killing psychopath (on the show).

-And after you FINALLY get Thea into hero mode, only to shove her to the sidelines this season.

-After you Flashpoint-ed Diggle's daughter out of existence and replaced her with a son.

-Etc.

After ALL of that, then you take the ONE new female field team member that you've got, and turn her into a traitor/psycho. Really Arrow, really?

Really the only women who kind of got appropriate payoffs/exits on this show were Moira and kind of Amanda Waller.

But that, irritating development aside, this was actually a good episode overall. And Prometheus continues to be a very creepy/menacing villain.

 

[famicommander]

So, what was the point of Thea showing up in costume if she ended up doing nothing? Lol

Probably just to show the fans that she's really back, and that her suiting up in the crossover wasn't a one-time thing.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Great mid season finale, one of the best episodes so far this season. Arrow for myself so far has returned, its back on track. This is the Arrow I loved the first 2 seasons. Awesome episode I'm glad I didn't not have the ending ruined for me because I was at work and just finish the episode now. So glad I didn't see anything on social media.

Same for me, here's to hoping they can stay on track for the second half of the season.

 

[rashad]

The table is definitely set a really strong second half. I'm not worried. Amell and the producers were really determined to return this series back to it's street-level roots after last season. You can sense a renewed focus. Season 5's resurgence has been nothing short of amazing.

 

[Slade W]

^Agreed. At least give him the helmet. It's a cool helmet. The baton would be nice too; every third villain on this show uses the bow and arrow, but nobody but Prometheus uses the stick.

Surprisingly, I'm digging how they're tying things back to season 1, especially how they made a concerted effort here to write everyone in the flashbacks like their old selves. It seems there was a discussion in the writers room about, "you know, I don't think we've really made Oliver pay for all the awful stuff he did in the first season," followed by, "Okay, let's make him pay for it. Big time."

That wouldn't make sense. Prometheus is a villain to Green Arrow on this, not Batman. He has to have a hood. It is part of his character.