Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Herolee10]

Outside of the forced Olicity drama, the thing that made season 3 "bad" was the fact that it was a complete Batman arc. Sara's death instantly became meaningless for Oliver and everything just seemed to go backwards.

Well that and Oliver's whole approach towards handling Malcolm in Season 3. I mean his whole justification for not taking down Malcolm Merlyn, despite the number of people that he's killed and capable of killing, was because he didn't want to take away Thea's father. So by that logic, Oliver would be okay with Malcolm killing countless more innocent people so that Thea could have an father figure left on Earth.

And the whole idea Oliver giving Malcolm complete control of the League was just incredibly stupid.

 

[Slade W]

I liked season 3, but it was a step down from the previous two and the writing was a lot more inconsistent. I didn't mind the Ra's storyline, but part would have liked to have seen Ra's and Oliver have a different storyline to the Batman one.

 

[Slade W]

Well that and Oliver's whole approach towards handling Malcolm in Season 3. I mean his whole justification for not taking down Malcolm Merlyn, despite the number of people that he's killed and capable of killing, was because he didn't want to take away Thea's father. So by that logic, Oliver would be okay with Malcolm killing countless more innocent people so that Thea could have an father figure left on Earth.

And the whole idea Oliver giving Malcolm complete control of the League was just incredibly stupid.

I agree. The funny/sad thing is, just a bit of exposition would have improved that so much. Something like Oliver asking why he shouldn't disband the LOA, to which Malcolm responds by telling him that there will be a power vacuum with groups even more ruthless and evil than the LOA trying to take their place, and that the LOA is necessary to keep them in check. Oliver could then ask why he shouldn't give it to Nyssa, to which Malcolm should respond that she would not be suitable due to her not fulfilling the prophecy of surviving Ra's al Ghul's sword like Oliver and Malcolm did, so she could not be accepted. Also, something like her turning on and going against Ras, her father, several times while a member of the LOA means that she would not be trusted or respected enough to be the Demons Head.

 

[Gu3ree]

I haven't watched tonight's episode yet. Is it worth it? I haven't enjoyed Arrow at all this season. Just vaguely. Even though I felt down with some of the issues that were made at the end of season 3, I was still optimistic about season 4, but after they killed Laurel off, things really went down the toilet for the series, and especially after the dreadful season finale.

I've kept watching still, but I've almost considered to stop watching by this point. I guess the only reason why I'm watching now is because I want to see the 100th episode, but I also want to watch the big crossover. There's been so many DC shows, I used to watch each episode of every show two times, but now I don't because I am busy with my own studies, and I've had difficulty remembering some of the stuff that's been going on and I have been unable to keep up. For that matter, I've gotten some of the villains mixed up, who's who and I forget some characters. Partly because there's so many redundancies.

When Flash season 1 started, I didn't find it good at all until the 15th episode. From that point on, every week, at one point, I'd get either more excited about Arrow or more excited about Flash. My excitement and preferences would constantly switch. It wasn't a bad thing. I was intrigued for both shows.

Eventually though, Arrow season 4 jumped the shark. In a TV series, it's fair to say that you have to have consequences, and create some tragic events to push the story forward, that might involve killing some characters off, but there needs to be a balance between the darkness and light. Season 4 made the decision to kill off yet another character which by that point became pathetic and predictable. Just a stupid TV show killing off a character for the sake of drama.

Also, while bringing back Diggle's brother and making him not dead, it worked for a while but ultimately destroyed the Diggle character and the whole point of why he joined Team Arrow in the first place. Diggle's brother should have stayed dead. The writers were trying too hard to come up with more and more plot twists.

The problem I have with watching season 5 now is because of how season 4 damaged things for Arrow permanently. It just took itself too seriously. They were at the point where they were making everything too miserable towards the last half of season 4.

Felicity and Oliver break up in the worst way. I think we all got tired of their drama previous seasons. Even if they get back together in season 5, I wouldn't care. They ruined them. And if they got back together at all, that would feel forced. When you make a break up as complicated as secretly fathering another child, you can't cross that line. She's dating a new guy just like that...pfft...drama.

Oliver was suddenly able to defeat Darhk by the end of the finale...while it's partly understood why, the whole scenario was weak. It was too simple. They managed to drag the audience and keep Darhk intimidating for a long time and be a villain nearly impossible for Green Arrow to take down until the finale.

Oliver running for mayor in season 4 was interesting, of course when he drops out, it damages his reputation a great deal, and it would suck for him to let the people of Star City down. And after his inspiring speech, and getting appointed Mayor, it's fascinating...say is this was real life...but watching him be Green Arrow and Mayor on a weekly show is boring.

I don't want him to see be mayor. I don't know why I don't like it but it's just too much. I prefer him just being playboy Oliver Queen in disguise and Green Arrow by night. The show as better with GA, Arsenal, Black Canary, Diggle and Felicity as Team Arrow. It's inspiring or him to be mayor, but for a TV show, it's boring. I don't know how to put it exactly, but I could never picture the idea of a superhero character being a mayor and superhero at the same time. It's not a good balance.

Wild Dog's power is wearing a mask literally. I don't know much about Mr. Terrific but I expected him to suit up near the end of season 4. And I forget the weird kid with bad acting who plays the monstrous Green Arrowy-Prometheus looking outfit that...ties people and....I don't want to finish typing that. Oh and there's even another character...the Black canary wannabe...what can she do again? In the episode before 1x07...there's a scene where she..."rescues" civilians...WTF? I mean...those people were just kneeling down in terror, but were they really in that much danger? The new BC girl just comes over and escorts them to...open space, and that family says "You saved us"--God that was dumb.

 

[Gu3ree]

I liked season 3, but it was a step down from the previous two and the writing was a lot more inconsistent. I didn't mind the Ra's storyline, but part would have liked to have seen Ra's and Oliver have a different storyline to the Batman one.

What different storyline? I couldn't think of what. I did have some concerns about Ras training Oliver being too similar to Batman, but that was before I saw what the outcome would be. Ultimately, I think the story proved to stand alone and be fairly separate from Batman.

Ras wanted Oliver to take his place, marry his daughter, Team Arrow coming to rescue him and help Oliver escape. And the other twists I liked too, like Oliver screwing with Ras just to gain his trust, and thinking Oliver had forgotten who he was, and thinking he really became Al Sa Heim.

Still wished the season 3 finale resolved the Roy Harper is Arrow issue, by having Oliver don the green suit again and to battle Ras before retiring. That would have been ideal. No one would have to know or question that the Arrow was back and...so and so, he still could have retired after that. It just would have been a much more satisfying conclusion to me if Oliver donned the green suit again before the final fight.

Instead of Oliver killing Ras himself, they could have had something much more dramatic happen and have Ras fall to his death from the bridge they were fighting on, or was it a dam? I forgot. Breaking Oliver's vow kind of sucked and stopped the whole anticipation they were building this sotry up to. Sure, I'd think Oliver strongly should have considered killing Ras and breaking his vow in order to save the city, but I really liked how Oliver was so committed to never killing again up until that point when he did.

 

[Gu3ree]

I agree. The funny/sad thing is, just a bit of exposition would have improved that so much. Something like Oliver asking why he shouldn't disband the LOA, to which Malcolm responds by telling him that there will be a power vacuum with groups even more ruthless and evil than the LOA trying to take their place, and that the LOA is necessary to keep them in check. Oliver could then ask why he shouldn't give it to Nyssa, to which Malcolm should respond that she would not be suitable due to her not fulfilling the prophecy of surviving Ra's al Ghul's sword like Oliver and Malcolm did, so she could not be accepted. Also, something like her turning on and going against Ras, her father, several times while a member of the LOA means that she would not be trusted or respected enough to be the Demons Head.

I'll argue that at the end of S3, I didn't think that Oliver let Malcolm live because he wanted Thea to have a father figure. I think he simply just didn't want to kill her own father and be her brother and let her live with that burden. That her brother killed her father.

Agreeing to give Malcolm the authority over the League of Assassins though...not sure what to say. A difficult choice he had to make. But once he leaves and retires as the Arrow, he should know that if Malcolm is going to be the leader of the League of Assassins, he's going to cause trouble at some point. I would say that was irresponsible for a better lack of word, or beyond just irresponsible.

This part about the series I liked, the conflict, and Oliver/Arrow's and Quentin's constant antagonism and differences. It made the show interesting.

 

[Batsfan1]

Breaking Oliver's vow kind of sucked and stopped the whole anticipation they were building this sotry up to. Sure, I'd think Oliver strongly should have considered killing Ras and breaking his vow in order to save the city, but I really liked how Oliver was so committed to never killing again up until that point when he did.

He killed before that when he murdered that, for all intents and purposes, innocent man as apart of his LOA initiation. Have a very great day!

God bless you all!

 

[mariajoycemerry]

I wait whole week to watch Stephen Amell show and every episode brings thrill that's why i like 'Arrow' show.

 

[mariajoycemerry]

One thing I noticed while watching "Arrow" that once he decided to shot the enemy he never miss the shot that's the plus point of the "Arrow" serial.

 

[mariajoycemerry]

Arrow and his team plays the vital role and the collaboration of his team plays the masssive teamwork.

 

[Deltron3030]

Let's talk about the present. This has been a great season. Right up there with season 1 and 2. The writing and fight sequences are better, less romance garbage, even the side storylines with Quentin and Thea isn't bad. I was worried about there being too many heros but it's not the case at all. They all offer something to the team. I'm not so sure I like the Evelyn character - hopefully they kill her off at some point.

I may even go as far as saying this is better than season 2 if you don't compare the main villain. You just can't do much better than death stroke. The "filler" episodes that don't have the main villain plot have been outstanding. And I love Russian guy from rocky. I hope he turns out to be Prometheus. He would make an excellent season villain.

Moving along, at some point we will see Malcom. Curious how they tie him into the storyline. I wonder if this news reporter chick Ollie had a drink with might end up to be talia. She's hot boy!

Giving this season 10/10. I've enjoyed all off it minus the Evelyn character. The little twist at the end of tonight's episode was probably needed because her character has been pretty stale so far. She's a kid who has no atletism, personality or anything. Ok enough ranting.

For the record, I thought seas 3 was decent. Few plot holes from lazy writing but I enjoyed It. Topping season 2 was impossible and I thought most expected better. Season 4 was pure hot garbage.

For new arrow fans, I would watch season 1,2,3 and 5. Skip 4 lol.

Kudos to the writers for keeping this season fast pace. Loving it all!

 

[Syncos]

What different storyline? I couldn't think of what. I did have some concerns about Ras training Oliver being too similar to Batman, but that was before I saw what the outcome would be. Ultimately, I think the story proved to stand alone and be fairly separate from Batman.

Ras wanted Oliver to take his place, marry his daughter, Team Arrow coming to rescue him and help Oliver escape. And the other twists I liked too, like Oliver screwing with Ras just to gain his trust, and thinking Oliver had forgotten who he was, and thinking he really became Al Sa Heim.

That bolded quote "Ras wanted Oliver to take his place and marry his daughter". That was the entire plot of the season, and that's traditionally the story Batman has had with Ras... In comic books, and video games, and animated shows/movies, for decades.

 

[superboy13]

That bolded quote "Ras wanted Oliver to take his place and marry his daughter". That was the entire plot of the season, and that's traditionally the story Batman has had with Ras... In comic books, and video games, and animated shows/movies, for decades.

That is, unless you only know Batman from Christopher Nolan.

 

[SpideyVille]

Well that and Oliver's whole approach towards handling Malcolm in Season 3. I mean his whole justification for not taking down Malcolm Merlyn, despite the number of people that he's killed and capable of killing, was because he didn't want to take away Thea's father. So by that logic, Oliver would be okay with Malcolm killing countless more innocent people so that Thea could have an father figure left on Earth.

And the whole idea Oliver giving Malcolm complete control of the League was just incredibly stupid.

Yeah, and this bothers me a lot because the only reason why Oliver allowed this is because the producers love Barrowman so much, and up until this season with the new contract structures, they were desperately trying to give him a purpose on the show to keep him around. But it made absolutely 0 sense for Oliver to even think about keeping him alive after all of the trouble he put Oliver and his family through.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Surprised at how good Dolph Lundgren has been thus far.

 

[coluanprime]

I'm surprised people dislike four so much. Outside of episodes 14-19, it was a much better season than three. Dark was a much better villain than Ra's and the league, and honestly felicity was handled (outside the already mentioned episodes) much better than she was in Season 3.

 

[SpideyVille]

The reason season 4 sucked is because it started off better, but then reverted back to the same formula that clearly didn't work in season 3. Felicity was suddenly empowered again, and everyone else suffered because no one dared stand up to her. Not to mention, Oliver stopped having any kind of growth and the story telling was all to convenient

Not to mention ... They F****** Killed the Black Canary!

 

[Paradox1]

I'm surprised people dislike four so much. Outside of episodes 14-19, it was a much better season than three. Dark was a much better villain than Ra's and the league, and honestly felicity was handled (outside the already mentioned episodes) much better than she was in Season 3.

Season 4 biggest issues for me was how extremely repetitive it was. There was always this ongoing fight with the ghost and how do we deal with dahrk's magic. Then the writers took story points from three and did them again. Like Let's end the first half of the season on a cliffhanger by seeming to kill a main character. It was Oliver in season 3 episode 9, Felcity season 4 episode 9. However who they actually kill is another Lance sister.

 

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, I feel like nobody gained anything by season's end. Season 3 had so many opportunities to highlight Roy's impact, and the only significant screentime he got was when Oliver was away. But then they did the exact same thing with Laurel and Thea last season. It felt like everyone that wasn't Felicity, Oliver, Malcolm or the main villain was just a wallpaper. They were always in the background except when they were needed.

 

[Slade W]

I actually understand why they didn't give those other characters screen-time and I find it to be understandable. Why give the likes of Laurel and Thea screen-time, when you can give it to Donna Smoak, who is arguably the greatest fictional character of all time.

 

[SpideyVille]

I actually understand why they didn't give those other characters screen-time and I find it to be understandable. Why give the likes of Laurel and Thea screen-time, when you can give it to Donna Smoak, who is arguably the greatest fictional character of all time.

True, I mean her arc last season was very crucial to Quentin this season. With out her, he would have been ... you know ... pointless.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

And of course, without Donna we never would've had the sheer comedic gold of Felicity shoving her mother's hair into her mouth to silence her while she was babbling. Because that's the kind of quality content a superhero show needs.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, I feel like nobody gained anything by season's end. Season 3 had so many opportunities to highlight Roy's impact, and the only significant screentime he got was when Oliver was away. But then they did the exact same thing with Laurel and Thea last season. It felt like everyone that wasn't Felicity, Oliver, Malcolm or the main villain was just a wallpaper. They were always in the background except when they were needed.

Heck, I feel bad for Ray's character as well because he essentially became more of a gimmick that was neutered by Olicity and Felicity. The fact that they had Felicity don't the armor and save Oliver along with how much he relied on her to create the suit was a joke.

 

[Primal Slayer]

New TA

 

[SpideyVille]

Heck, I feel bad for Ray's character as well because he essentially became more of a gimmick that was neutered by Olicity and Felicity. The fact that they had Felicity don't the armor and save Oliver along with how much he relied on her to create the suit was a joke.

It still baffles me how they knew thy had Colton signed on for a limited time, and they still chose to do nothing with him for more than half the season.