Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 4

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Any one see the photos from dead to rights? It looks like Malcom dies...

And I wish Wintergreen had more lines. I mean, its not hard for a stuntman to know say something when wearing just a suit with a mask that covers both your eyes.
 
Dude omfg yesterdays show was the best of the whole goddamn series. Manu Bennett should be Deathstroke in any goddamn medium, movie, tv, cartoon, anything.
 
I need them to get him in the deathstroke get up so I don't feel cheated.
 
I don't think think the Wintergreen Deathstroke is dead. I think he's going to get revenge and take out Slade's eye, so when Deathstoke shows up in the present day( on camera footage or something else), Ollie won't be sure who is behind the mask.
 
I don't think think the Wintergreen Deathstroke is dead. I think he's going to get revenge and take out Slade's eye, so when Deathstoke shows up in the present day( on camera footage or something else), Ollie won't be sure who is behind the mask.
In the pilot didn't we see a Deathstroke mask with an arrow through the eye? I'm assuming that it's Ollie who does that. Wintergreen's fate is, most like, some interesting foreshadowing, setting up the final conflict between Ollie and Slade.

I loved how Slade mentioned his son, Joe (who in the comics was the Teen Titan Jericho). That's just awesome.
 
In the pilot didn't we see a Deathstroke mask with an arrow through the eye? I'm assuming that it's Ollie who does that. Wintergreen's fate is, most like, some interesting foreshadowing, setting up the final conflict between Ollie and Slade.

I loved how Slade mentioned his son, Joe (who in the comics was the Teen Titan Jericho). That's just awesome.

or Yao Fei
 
In the pilot didn't we see a Deathstroke mask with an arrow through the eye? I'm assuming that it's Ollie who does that. Wintergreen's fate is, most like, some interesting foreshadowing, setting up the final conflict between Ollie and Slade.

I loved how Slade mentioned his son, Joe (who in the comics was the Teen Titan Jericho). That's just awesome.

What if... that's Oliver's mask?! :wow:

We've seen him collect a whole bunch of souvenirs whilst on the island from gang tattoos to girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo tattoos, that all have some sort of significance. Maybe that mask is yet another one?
 
Probably. I and the people I have talked to who also watch the series have no problem with it.

I guess my concern is the whole transition from vigilante to hero thing; he stopped killing thugs shortly before revealing himself to Dig; now he's doin it again; after telling Huntress that "that's not the way", it seems like a step back for the character; also, realistically speaking - and thinking in the long run - the city would never accept a murderous vigilante as its "true hero" (unless they don't care about goin in that direction).


Polux
 
I am bothered that Oliver does kill. Doesn't even try to stun, seems like he always goes for the killshot. I mean all these henchmen piling up should be a big deal.
 
I guess my concern is the whole transition from vigilante to hero thing; he stopped killing thugs shortly before revealing himself to Dig; now he's doin it again; after telling Huntress that "that's not the way", it seems like a step back for the character; also, realistically speaking - and thinking in the long run - the city would never accept a murderous vigilante as its "true hero" (unless they don't care about goin in that direction).


Polux
Exactly.:up: Well said.
 
I am bothered that Oliver does kill. Doesn't even try to stun, seems like he always goes for the killshot. I mean all these henchmen piling up should be a big deal.

Agreed; he doesn't even TRY not to kill, he's just like the Punisher in that regard, and I'm sorry, but the Punisher ain't no hero.


Polux
 
Smh Isn't Jason Bourne a hero? Luke Skywalker? Jack Sparrow? Regardless of that the producers would agree they say Arrow right now is a vigilante. He may work up to that classic comic hero who never kills. You see I used comic hero because heroes who dont kill can only be found in comics.
 
Smh Isn't Jason Bourne a hero? Luke Skywalker? Jack Sparrow? Regardless of that the producers would agree they say Arrow right now is a vigilante. He may work up to that classic comic hero who never kills. You see I used comic hero because heroes who dont kill can only be found in comics.

James Bond, John McLane, Indiana Jones, any hero played by Arnold or Stallone
 
I guess the hero killing bad guys is only ok when it's an accident, like accidentally blowing up a house, crashing a train in the middle of a populated city ect.
 
Apparently it is which absolute BS. A cold blooded murder is far different than killing someone in a kill or be killed situation.
 
The problem with Ollie isn't the fact that he uses deadly force. A hero can totally be a hero even if he does kill people. Its more about when, where, and on whom he uses deadly force. He's good enough an archer to shoot people and not kill them. He regularly slaughters mooks, even mooks who are just hired bodyguards with no hint of criminality. . . but he sometimes doesn't. He kills the thugs of a definitely-evil villain type, but doesn't kill the villain. . . usually.

It just comes off as Ollie having totally incoherent RoE, at best, or being callously indifferent to the lives of those he categorizes as The Enemy, at worst. He would come off much better if the norm were for him to not kill mooks ( especially in situations where he is clearly portrayed as having the upper hand ), restricting his murderings to villains justified by the plot as being horribly evil, even fights with skilled enemies against whom he can't hold back, and perhaps the occasional desperate battle against actually dangerous mooks ( due to skill, numbers, armament, or ticking timers ).
 
We actually can't say for sure that everyone that got hit with an Arrow, actually died. Even in the first Episode Adam Hunt said that the Hood guy put two of his men in the hospital. But let's say that only half of his victims actually died, that's still a pretty high kill count.
 
I don't remember him recently killing anyone. Yes he shoots arrows at people but they don't really show them die. They leave it up in the air. I like to think that all those thugs/business men who get shot at are just wounded.
 
I don't remember him recently killing anyone. Yes he shoots arrows at people but they don't really show them die. They leave it up in the air. I like to think that all those thugs/business men who get shot at are just wounded.

Well, he's a good enough shot where he can likely place an arrow in an incapacitating area, but non-vital.
 
They make a big deal out of the fact he kills in the show which makes me think that he might kill people less in the future. He is slowly turning from a vigilante who kills anyone on or connected to his list to a genuine hero who saves people and kills when its only necessary
 
I thought it was really cool when I saw him shoot two arrows tied with a wire (?) to a random thug, each arrow landed on each side of this guy's neck, trapping him and inmobilizing him (he used only non-lethal force against the thugs); just so 2 episodes after that he's shooting thugs in the heart again....


Polux
 
The way the show portrays it makes it seem like almost everyone he shoots he kills. Almost every time we see some guard or henchman get hit they just drop immediately. No clutching at the wound or screaming in pain or him coming up knock them out. They just drop.
 
I thought it was really cool when I saw him shoot two arrows tied with a wire (?) to a random thug, each arrow landed on each side of this guy's neck, trapping him and inmobilizing him (he used only non-lethal force against the thugs); just so 2 episodes after that he's shooting thugs in the heart again....


Polux

In what episode was this?
 
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