Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 5

[Shikamaru]

Not a good idea IMO. The universes should stay separate and I would personally prefer a different version of Green Arrow in the DC shared universe (not that there is anything wrong with this one). Not to mention that that horrible Green Lantern film seems to be in canon with the show in the minds of the creators (there is an interview where they talked about bringing in that version of Hal) which means that if MOS and Arrow are in the same universe, that horrendous GL is also in the same universe and will star in JL.

On top of that, you'll also get tons of people whining if Nolan's Batman isn't integrated with MOS while Arrow is.

 

[Hush]

Not a good idea IMO. The universes should stay separate and I would personally prefer a different version of Green Arrow in the DC shared universe (not that there is anything wrong with this one). Not to mention that that horrible Green Lantern film seems to be in canon with the show in the minds of the creators (there is an interview where they talked about bringing in that version of Hal) which means that if MOS and Arrow are in the same universe, that horrendous GL is also in the same universe and will star in JL.

On top of that, you'll also get tons of people whining if Nolan's Batman isn't integrated with MOS while Arrow is.

I would argue that you could tell Nolan people to shove it since their universe had a definitive no other heroes rule. This universe does from what we have seen, too an extent.

Why do you object llama?

 

[Herolee10]

I can't believe that I just realized on how many episodes we've had where they were doing somewhat of a product placement on that new Windows touch screen pad.lol Nearly every character (cast member) has used that thing at some point in the show.

 

[ArcherFan]

I think Isabel Rockev (as previously listed in the thread) could be the female that Fyres worked for. She could make a solid villain for season 2. It could be argued that she would be an 'instantly recognizable' character to comic fans, since she was the 'big bad' of Green Arrow v4 (pre New 52 storyline).

Moira stated that Robert cheated on her - and while that may be a cover, maybe it wasn't. I could see her swooping in and trying to take over Queen Consolidated while it's floundering. Would be a good reason to bring Walter into the mix. Ollie is great at shooting arrows...but not much at the day to day minutia of running a corporation. And she comes with her own bad@$$ body guard.

As for the Dark Archer style big bad...while I wish that they would hold off on Slade for a season...seems the teasers are leading his way.

I don't think Merlyn is dead, and for that reason I don't see Komodo being used. While I like that villain, there are too many similarities between Barrowman's Merlyn and that character. Why do I feel this way? I have no good reason for that...I just do!

Now...for people who trained Merlyn, we've got more options than just Ras, though I agree his explanations aer a nod that way. You could go with King Snake (unlikely, but hey, why not), David Cain, Richard Dragon (could do it as either a villain version, or someone who broke off ties with Merlyn when he found out how dark Merlyn was), or maybe Lady Shiva.

 

[Justin]

I think Isabel Rockev (as previously listed in the thread) could be the female that Fyres worked for. She could make a solid villain for season 2. It could be argued that she would be an 'instantly recognizable' character to comic fans, since she was the 'big bad' of Green Arrow v4 (pre New 52 storyline).

That wasn't the quote was it? Pretty sure they said anyone who remotely followed the DC universe would know who these two villains were. Pretty sure they said DC comics, not GA comics. I haven't heard of this character and doubt she would be instantly recognizable to many people.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Why do you object llama?

Man Of Steel was intended to be a standalone film and as such, I want each film to be standalone. Sort of like The Dark Knight Trilogy.

 

[Dark Raven]

Man Of Steel was intended to be a standalone film and as such, I want each film to be standalone. Sort of like The Dark Knight Trilogy.

I suppose WB and DC will wait until the next reboot to try a combined universe, when the current MOS trilogy finishes. Catch it on the next go round (perhaps) is their philosophy.

 

[SlamAdams]

I don't understand why the movies can't be standalones and STILL crossover. I don't see why there needs to be all these in-references and cues to connect them all.

 

[Justin]

I don't understand why the movies can't be standalones and STILL crossover. I don't see why there needs to be all these in-references and cues to connect them all.

Because thats what Marvel did so thats what people are accustomed to.

I'm with you. Batman doesn't need to mentioned in Man of Steel for him to still be in the same world and appear in a JL movie with this Superman. As long as the films are consistent of two cities that could potentially be in the same world, then it's no problem. But people are accustomed to the crossovers and namedrops.

Personally though, I don't think Justice League will make for a good film if they use the actors they've used so far. Too many cooks. Avengers did alright because they used a lot of up and coming stars and only a few really high end actors.

 

[SlamAdams]

Because thats what Marvel did so thats what people are accustomed to.

I'm with you. Batman doesn't need to mentioned in Man of Steel for him to still be in the same world and appear in a JL movie with this Superman. As long as the films are consistent of two cities that could potentially be in the same world, then it's no problem. But people are accustomed to the crossovers and namedrops.

Personally though, I don't think Justice League will make for a good film if they use the actors they've used so far. Too many cooks. Avengers did alright because they used a lot of up and coming stars and only a few really high end actors.

Theres only one actor so far

 

[Justin]

Theres only one actor so far

Hmm? Bale, Reynolds, Cavill no? I thought they cast WW too.

 

[SlamAdams]

Hmm? Bale, Reynolds, Cavill no? I thought they cast WW too.

Bale is not returning. Not confirmed but Reynolds is most likely not going to be asked back. No one has been cast as WW

 

[S. Grundy]

Not a good idea IMO. The universes should stay separate and I would personally prefer a different version of Green Arrow in the DC shared universe (not that there is anything wrong with this one). Not to mention that that horrible Green Lantern film seems to be in canon with the show in the minds of the creators (there is an interview where they talked about bringing in that version of Hal) which means that if MOS and Arrow are in the same universe, that horrendous GL is also in the same universe and will star in JL.

On top of that, you'll also get tons of people whining if Nolan's Batman isn't integrated with MOS while Arrow is.

The creators are vehemently against any superpowers, so no Green Lantern, no other tie-ins like that.

"If all goes according to plan, when you see the Ferris Air logo later in the season, it will be the same logo that we established in the movie. I like tips of the hat.".

Guggeheim also went on to reveal that Arrow doesn't take place in the same universe as that Green Lantern film, but Hal Jordan could appear saying "I would never say never, it's certainly something that we've talked about."

 

[Golgo-13]

Looks like OnDemand is replaying the whole season of Arrow, starting from ep 1. Caught the first ep last night. Looks like i won't need to buy the dvd after all.

 

[Jick]

So, having just watched the finale, I can't stop wondering how Malcolm became so skilled. Do we know that? Was it explained during the season?

 

[Shikamaru]

The creators are vehemently against any superpowers, so no Green Lantern, no other tie-ins like that.

Green Lantern technically doesn't have superpowers.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, but a magic ring from an space police corps is even more outlandish than superpowers, so... nah.

 

[b_boy]

So, having just watched the finale, I can't stop wondering how Malcolm became so skilled. Do we know that? Was it explained during the season?

Yes. I don't remember wich episode, but he explained that after his wife was killed he went to (don't remember the name of the place) and met a man who gave pourpose to his life. I don't remember exacly what was said but he spent one year there and apparently it was a heavy hint at Ra's Al Ghul without mentioning his name.

 

[S. Grundy]

It was Nanda Parbat.

Yeah, but a magic ring from an space police corps is even more outlandish than superpowers, so... nah.

Also he has Green in his name, so he would have to be called the "Flying Glowing Ring Guy."

 

[RetroNaz]

They would probably just call him Ring. lol

 

[Justin]

So, having just watched the finale, I can't stop wondering how Malcolm became so skilled. Do we know that? Was it explained during the season?

He spent 2 years in Nanda Parbat training and learning how to save the city. We also saw him fencing and he had a ton of trophies in his house so he probably had a lot of natural talent. Then he'd been back in the city at least 5 years after his trip, so he probably carried on training for 10 or so years as opposed to Ollie's 5.

I liked Malcolm's style, very western as opposed to Ollie's eastern style. They were fighting for the same thing really, in different ways. They did a great job with Merlyn, he was a better character on TV than in the books imo.

 

[carrrnuttt]

He spent 2 years in Nanda Parbat training and learning how to save the city. We also saw him fencing and he had a ton of trophies in his house so he probably had a lot of natural talent. Then he'd been back in the city at least 5 years after his trip, so he probably carried on training for 10 or so years as opposed to Ollie's 5.

Not to mention time passes differently in Nanda Parbat at least in the comics. You could train for decades [without aging, I might add] and only a couple of years will have passed outside of Nanda.

I understand that (as of right now), the show has a "no-powers" policy, but who knows. If the show never expounds on it, then they leave it to our imaginations, and that explanation is more than acceptable to me.

 

[S. Grundy]

Yeah, no. In this show's universe, Nanda Parabat is just a place in Tibet, nothing more, nothing less. No magic, no superpowers, it's just a plain old boring DC universe.

 

[Still Wynning]

Yeah, no. In this show's universe, Nanda Parabat is just a place in Tibet, nothing more, nothing less. No magic, no superpowers, it's just a plain old boring DC universe.

Man, just get over it and move on.

You clearly have no affection for this show or it's universe to begin with, so it's obvious that nothing that the show does will change your opinion of it. And complaining about it is definitely not going to change anything.

Just let bygones be bygones and move onto something else.

 

[theMan-Bat]

I suppose WB and DC will wait until the next reboot to try a combined universe, when the current MOS trilogy finishes. Catch it on the next go round (perhaps) is their philosophy.

Exactly. That's the way to go with these intentionally separate projects of Nolan's personal vision featuring versions that are as grounded in our world as possible (Bale Batman trilogy, Man of Steel) and Nolan-influenced (Arrow). While the DC Universe films/shows should be just balls-to-the-wall wildly fantastical over-the-top sci-fi fantasy like the the decades of comic book source material.