The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3: Where does the story go from here?

[raybia]

Don't under-estimate Tom Hardy and Chris Nolan. Hardy had a supporting role in Inception but pretty much stole the show from DiCaprio. Whatever character he is playing, I suspect he will knock it out of the park. IMHO, Hardy is a brilliant actor with just as much range as Heath Ledger. I can't wait to see what they come up with.

Of course this is a very subjective thing though I would concede the point if there was were opinions from those in the industry, namely critics, who supported your statement but while Hardy was very good in Inception I would hardly say he stole the show from DiCaprio. I would be hard pressed to name someone who stood out as I don't think anyone stole the show. I found it more or less a well balanced ensemble effort. In other words, everybody was very good in Inception.

Just my two cents,

raybia

 

[redfirebird2008]

I do not agree. I think this is exactly what happened with Ledger and Gyllenhaal. Fanboism taking over critical judgement. Hardy was in Inception and now Batman, therefore he is teh awesome and teh best actor ever. If anything i think Leo, Page and JGH were the best. Hardy's role wasnt that hard.

I mean no offense. I just think that Hardy is overrated around these parts.

Have you watched Bronson? My opinion of Hardy's acting ability came after watching Inception 5 times in theaters and then seeing Bronson, both of which happened long before he was ever announced as being in Batman 3. GTFO with the Batman fanboy accusation.

Of course this is a very subjective thing though I would concede the point if there was were opinions from those in the industry, namely critics, who supported your statement but while Hardy was very good in Inception I would hardly say he stole the show from DiCaprio. I would be hard pressed to name someone who stood out as I don't think anyone stole the show. I found it more or less a well balanced ensemble effort. In other words, everybody was very good in Inception.

Just my two cents,

raybia

Of course everyone was good. It's a damn fine ensemble. I just feel Hardy showed more nuance and range than anyone else in the film.

 

[Mr. Earle]

No, but Hardy wasnt the best in Inception. Perhaps he could have been if his role gave him more to do.

 

[raybia]

Of course everyone was good. It's a damn fine ensemble. I just feel Hardy showed more nuance and range than anyone else in the film.

I can respect that.

 

[redfirebird2008]

No, but Hardy wasnt the best in Inception. Perhaps he could have been if his role gave him more to do.

That's exactly my point though. He wasn't given much to do compared to say DiCaprio, Murphy, or Cotillard but for me he's the one that showed the best range of anyone in the cast despite the limited role. And you really should check out Bronson. His transformation into that role is pretty astonishing.

 

[Mr. Earle]

That's exactly my point though. He wasn't given much to do compared to say DiCaprio, Murphy, or Cotillard but for me he's the one that showed the best range of anyone in the cast despite the limited role.

Range? He was a cocky Brit guy and at some point he was angry when Leo told them about limbo. He didnt have much more to do than that.

And you really should check out Bronson. His transformation into that role is pretty astonishing.

I will. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[raybia]

That's exactly my point though. He wasn't given much to do compared to say DiCaprio, Murphy, or Cotillard but for me he's the one that showed the best range of anyone in the cast despite the limited role. And you really should check out Bronson. His transformation into that role is pretty astonishing.

I'll have to see Bronson as I didn't realize until Inception came out that he was the lead.

I also didn't realize he was the villian in Star Trek Nemesis which unfortunately I did see.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I also didn't realize he was the villian in Star Trek Nemesis which unfortunately I did see.

He's one of the only good things about that flick.

 

[raybia]

He's one of the only good things about that flick.

I don't recollect him being terrible in the role. I would say that it was a forgettable one. I'm a trekkie and I have to say it was a terrible movie overall which wasn't the fault of any of the actors.

 

[RustyCage]

I do not agree. I think this is exactly what happened with Ledger and Gyllenhaal. Fanboism taking over critical judgement.

You lost me there. @ bold

 

[PreK]

Perhaps he is referring to the sensationalism of Ledger's acting prowess in what was arguably just starting/peaking. After his death, many regarded him to be one of the acting greats. I will concede he had two roles under his belt that indicated he could be in that spot, but his career was too short and had many missteps to make such a grand assessment.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You lost me there. @ bold

Downplaying Ledger's performance is what the Kewl Kids do these days. I have my fair share of criticism about The Dark Knight (it's an 8/10 film at best IMHO), but Ledger's performance was incredible. That's not fanboy hyperbole, that's an honest assessment based on Ledger's other work in his career. The only thing about his performance that I think goes overlooked is how good the writing was. The Nolan brothers don't get the credit they deserve for absolutely nailing his dialogue. Other aspects of the dialogue throughout the film are questionable or even downright awful, but they hit a home run with the Joker's dialogue.

 

[RustyCage]

Downplaying Ledger's performance is what the Kewl Kids do these days.

Ain't that the truth.

The Nolan brothers don't get the credit they deserve for absolutely nailing his dialogue.

That's putting it lightly!

Other aspects of the dialogue throughout the film are questionable or even downright awful, but they hit a home run with the Joker's dialogue.

Which aspects do you mean, exactly?

 

[redfirebird2008]

Which aspects do you mean, exactly?

The guy in the SWAT truck ("that's not good!") or the idiots on the ferries ("let's put it to a vote!"). The citizens at Dent's press conference were pretty awful too.

 

[RustyCage]

The guy in the SWAT truck ("that's not good!") or the idiots on the ferries ("let's put it to a vote!"). The citizens at Dent's press conference were pretty awful too.

Those all seemed like pretty believable things that such people would be saying/doing in those scenarios to me...

You overestimate the general public, my friend. Nolan, clearly, does not. I find he pokes fun at 'commoners' by exposing the way they talk and behave while promoting the deeper more interesting characters in his films.

It ends up lending to the realism.

 

[raybia]

Those all seemed like pretty believable things that such people would be saying/doing in those scenarios to me...

You overestimate the general public, my friend. Nolan, clearly, does not. I find he pokes fun at 'commoners' by exposing the way they talk and behave while promoting the deeper more interesting characters in his films.

It ends up lending to the realism.

"And the oscar for best extra goes to...The guy on the ferry."

 

[redfirebird2008]

Those all seemed like pretty believable things that such people would be saying/doing in those scenarios to me...

You overestimate the general public, my friend. Nolan, clearly, does not. I find he pokes fun at 'commoners' by exposing the way they talk and behave while promoting the deeper more interesting characters in his films.

It ends up lending to the realism.

LOL, I doubt anyone in the general public would say "let's put it to a vote" in a life or death situation where the guys on the other end of it are criminals. Someone would grab that thing and push the button ASAP.

 

[raybia]

LOL, I doubt anyone in the general public would say "let's put it to a vote" in a life or death situation where the guys on the other end of it are criminals. Someone would grab that thing and push the button ASAP.

That would have been a very interesting direction.

 

[The ?ion]

Tom Hardy stole the show in Inception? The only people who came close to that category were JGL and Ellen Page. Not to detract from Hardy's performance, but he didn't do anything particularly note worthy in the film.

 

[RustyCage]

LOL, I doubt anyone in the general public would say "let's put it to a vote" in a life or death situation where the guys on the other end of it are criminals. Someone would grab that thing and push the button ASAP.

Depends on the people. Also depends on the general state of the people. That causes them to act differently. You have to remember that Gotham is being shown to be growing more hopeful with Harvey Dent kicking so much booty, etcetera. They want to be a better city now that they're being given the opportunity, and this scene expresses that in the same way that the mob complaining about Batman expresses their fear about that same hope being snatched from them.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Depends on the people. Also depends on the general state of the people. That causes them to act differently. You have to remember that Gotham is being shown to be growing more hopeful with Harvey Dent kicking so much booty, etcetera. They want to be a better city now that they're being given the opportunity, and this scene expresses that in the same way that the mob complaining about Batman expresses their fear about that same hope being snatched from them.

Eh, I don't buy this. The Joker was right about human nature regardless of whatever hokey scenario the Nolan brothers come up with. Extreme situations call for extreme actions to survive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

 

[The ?ion]

LOL, I doubt anyone in the general public would say "let's put it to a vote" in a life or death situation where the guys on the other end of it are criminals. Someone would grab that thing and push the button ASAP.

Apparently you don't live in this place called The United States of America. It has a faction known as the liberal left. I could easily see a liberal putting such a matter to vote.

 

[RustyCage]

Eh, I don't buy this. The Joker was right about human nature regardless of whatever hokey scenario the Nolan brothers come up with. Extreme situations call for extreme actions to survive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

Oh, I'm aware. Not everyone is willing to resort to that though. Some people have a resolve about things that exceeds that. Some people are willing to die for what they feel is right, even if it can be considered stupid or illogical.

Now you're underestimating people.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Apparently you don't live in this place called The United States of America. It has a faction known as the liberal left. I could easily see a liberal putting such a matter to vote.

Someone would pull the trigger before the guy even gets halfway through "let's put it to a vote."

 

[Mr. Earle]

You lost me there. @ bold

Ledger was fantastic, its just that there were people that were overreacting.

Perhaps he is referring to the sensationalism of Ledger's acting prowess in what was arguably just starting/peaking. After his death, many regarded him to be one of the acting greats. I will concede he had two roles under his belt that indicated he could be in that spot, but his career was too short and had many missteps to make such a grand assessment.

This.

Downplaying Ledger's performance is what the Kewl Kids do these days. I have my fair share of criticism about The Dark Knight (it's an 8/10 film at best IMHO), but Ledger's performance was incredible. That's not fanboy hyperbole, that's an honest assessment based on Ledger's other work in his career.

I wasnt speaking about TDK.

The only thing about his performance that I think goes overlooked is how good the writing was. The Nolan brothers don't get the credit they deserve for absolutely nailing his dialogue. Other aspects of the dialogue throughout the film are questionable or even downright awful, but they hit a home run with the Joker's dialogue.

Agreed.

The guy in the SWAT truck ("that's not good!") or the idiots on the ferries ("let's put it to a vote!"). The citizens at Dent's press conference were pretty awful too.

Oh come on. That's the kewl things people do too. Hating on dialogue not delivered by the protagonists. You have to show how the common folk reacts to these extraordinary situations. I didnt mind the cop during the chase scene, i didnt mind the ferries people, etc.