BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - Part 16

[Wise]

That guy on the left looks like he got shot by a bullet, as for why the guy in the middle chooses to whack Batman with his gun instead of shooting him is simple.. he is too scared of Batman to think clearly what he should be doing.

Seriously, why these are problems ?

Both of those are easily explained.


Again, he was hit my a stray bullet.

If you saw Batman would you want to fight him, or would you lay down and play possum?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'd back up and attempt to shoot him in the face. RIGHT. IN. THE. FACE.

 

[The Slang]

Those are just the smartest of the hench man. They fall to the ground BEFORE getting punched by Batman.

 

[The Endless]

lol there is no excusing that garbage. Power Rangers has better fight choreography.

 

[Kevin Smith]

lol there is no excusing that garbage. Power Rangers has better fight choreography.

Ooooh shots fired! Nolan sharks gonna gitchya!

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Smallville13]

Someone has a good quote in their sig here about how real fans own up to their beloved properties' mistakes.

 

[Superherofan123]

I always assumed those guys got hit by stray bullets as well...just for some reason it was missed in sound editing. It's a mistake either way.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Dat realism.

 

[Superman_200]

[YT]6ZZLEMl6-Zo[/YT]

Hand to hand is not Nolan's strong suit. Vehicular mayhem however? That's another story.

Ben's working with Zack's stunt team so I expect a very impressive Batman.

The fight scene with continuous movement between 1:58 and 2:10 is one of the better fight scenes in Hollywood movies:

[YT]watch?v=ELSGwz7xTmM[/YT]

He flows continuously from one opponent to the next without taking a "break" in the fight.

Same can be said about Denzel:

2:15-2:45 is a great example of how Batman should fight:

[YT]watch?v=DHRwo48twyE[/YT]

I personally would want at least 1 or 2 fights like this that show that Batman is darker and more brutal now that he is older. Like the scene at 3:38, certainly not that long, but show that he fights to incapacitate from the first strike. I don't want to see him waste type blocking and turning his back, etc. I am not talking about a whole fight, but the rawness of it with no music, and I would want to be able to hear the actual blows. The sound of a real blow without music has a much more brutal effect than the sound effects we have all come to know. I don't know how everyone feels about that, but I'd certainly like a Batman that does not play with people anymore, that he hurts them right away and incapacitates now that he is older and tired.

One big thing I want to see is that he does not manipulate joints. No bending or twisting arms. If I am going to twist someone's arm, I am not going to try and gain compliance by applying pressure to the joint, I am going to crush and destroy that joint. I'd like to see that brutality in an older tired Batman.

3:38
[YT]watch?v=zMe5NEmiraQ[/YT]

 

[Smallville13]

If Snyder takes inspiration from any film to bring to Batman, it should be The Raid.

 

[super85]

Huge blockbuster films usually often have some goofs. Its a bit silly and fun in "Gif form" , but generally speaking I probably woulldnt enjoy any big summer movies if I would be that focused on a few goofs. There are some goofs in Snyders fights in Watchmen too. There is one example (that I'm sure will be explained as the guy just being a tough b*stard!) of a guy getting kicked twice during the fight, and also how clearly u can see that Silk Spectre has different shoes in different shots.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Huge blockbuster films usually often have some goofs. Its a bit silly and fun in "Gif form" , but generally speaking I probably woulldnt enjoy any big summer movies if I would be that focused on a few goofs. There are some goofs in Snyders fights in Watchmen too. There is one example (that I'm sure will be explained as the guy just being a tough b*stard!) of a guy getting kicked twice during the fight, and also how clearly u can see that Silk Spectre has different shoes in different shots.

True. Although somehow that doesn't sound as bad as that TDKR scene.

 

[The Endless]

It's not just goofs. The fight choreography, stunt work and the way they are shot and edited is just unimaginative and shoddy. It's half arsed. And this isn't just the martial arts/fight scenes. Even in general action scenes with shoot outs and car chases Nolan and his team doesn't do a good job i don't think. The geography of his action scenes always seems a bit off. A big example of this is the opening scene with Batman in TDK. The way people are shooting and the locations of the cameras just don't make sense. Notice a fake Batman firing his shotgun and it apparently travels through the Chechen and his men and hits a car window behind them. Even little details like the guns not ejecting cartridges and not actually firing is really noticeable to me.

As a Batman fan i see films like The Winter Soldier and yearn for Batman to be shown in that way.

When Cap roundhouse kicks a mook in the face, it's bone crunching, you can feel the force of that kick.

When Batman punches someone in the shoulder it's just like... what, is that it? None of his blows seem hard hitting. And it just doesn't flow when he's fighting multiple opponents. You can see some of the stunt guys just standing around waiting for their cue.

Compare that to the elevator fight in TWS. That is how your choreograph chaos. There was over a dozen combatants in that scene, in a small confined space. Yet all of them had something to do. You didn't see stuntmen just standing there waiting for Cap to knock them out did you?

And this isn't just superfluous stuff. The way these characters fight should have as much attention and detail put into them as the more quiet scenes. It's all characterisation at the end of the day.

I mean look at the Cap vs Batroc fight. The way they fight tells you about their personalities. Batroc is flipping around, using a lot of kicks (he is called Batroc the Leaper for a reason!). Cap is more defensive and counter attack based. Nothing fancy, he's just straight to the point.

But Snyder also excels at this stuff. He has a real passion for it and he understands the importance of fight choreography. I get the feeling Nolan was never interested in it and kinda saw it beneath him.

 

[Iceman]

Snyder is more likely to overdo than undercook an action scene. And that is absolutely fine with me.

 

[super85]

I love all of the action in Nolans Batman films. I thought his way shooting action was good already in Batman Begins but got a lot better during the course of the trilogy. I absolutely loved everything with the Batpod or the Tumbler or The Bat . The fact that most of it looked "real" as in in real life, not CGI (even if CGI was used a lot) made me quite invested in what happened on screen.

 

[Sharkboy]

Terrible choreography or not (always easy to point stuff out in gifs) I seriously doubt a Snyder Bat-movie could touch the Nolan trilogy. It may have more comic accurate elements, heck to some it might even be a better "batman" movie, but I would be very very very (pleasantly) surprised if any comic book property directed by Zack Snyder would be a better film than any of the nolan trilogy for me.

 

[G.Godfrey]

I'm not even a fan of Snyder and I'm confident a Batman movie by him would not only touch, but knock out the Nolan trilogy.

And there already is a Snyder directed comic book property that is better than any film of the Nolan trilogy. It's called Watchmen. The Director's Cut (didn't see the theatrical). IMO and all that of course

 

[Sharkboy]

I'm not even a fan of Snyder and I'm confident a Batman movie by him would not only touch, but knock out the Nolan trilogy.

And there already is a Snyder directed comic book property that is better than any film of the Nolan trilogy. It's called Watchmen. The Director's Cut (didn't see the theatrical). IMO and all that of course

Nah I liked Watchmen, but far to "safe" and overlong for my tastes, That Terry Gilliam version sounded crazy and right up my alley, I would have either despised it or loved it, not just left with a resounding "ok" after Snyder's version.

Well you must have immense faith in Snyder, 6 movies in and not a single one thats really considered "acclaimed", that "knock out" seems quite far fetched.

Now if Ben were directing a solo Batflick? THAT would get my full and undivided attention. I was watching Gone Baby Gone the other day, i forgot how much I really adored that film. It would also be really interesting to see someone directing themselves as a superhero, has that happened before?

 

[Krumm]

I wish they were even as good as those fights.

Look at the guy get knocked out by nothing on the left. And why would that first guy in the middle try and whack batman with his gun instead of just shooting him..

Or why would the guy in the middle choose to stand there and get hit by the world's slowest punch?

 

[bluerayer]

I'm not even a fan of Snyder and I'm confident a Batman movie by him would not only touch, but knock out the Nolan trilogy.

And there already is a Snyder directed comic book property that is better than any film of the Nolan trilogy. It's called Watchmen. The Director's Cut (didn't see the theatrical). IMO and all that of course

Mine as well!

Nah I liked Watchmen, but far to "safe" and overlong for my tastes, That Terry Gilliam version sounded crazy and right up my alley, I would have either despised it or loved it, not just left with a resounding "ok" after Snyder's version.

Well you must have immense faith in Snyder, 6 movies in and not a single one thats really considered "acclaimed", that "knock out" seems quite far fetched.

Now if Ben were directing a solo Batflick? THAT would get my full and undivided attention. I was watching Gone Baby Gone the other day, i forgot how much I really adored that film. It would also be really interesting to see someone directing themselves as a superhero, has that happened before?

That Terry Gilliam version sounded like a disaster and i say that as a huge fan of him and his movies.(and the rest of the Pythons) It started out with some made-up hostage drama at the Statue Of Liberty and didn't it basically end like The Monty Python movie The Holy Grail? With the Watchmen characters entering "real life"? If anyone thought the fans were mad about the lack of a squid, well...I'll take Snyders version anyday over that.

 

[AnneFan]

So time has passed from the initial Fleck suit reveal. I liked it before, but I think like it even more now. It's all becoming a familiar sight, not just Fleck in a cape and cowl but Batman.

 

[TheTarkKnight]

I for one am not buying into this whole "tired and weary" crap. For a "Superman vs Batman" to occur, i.e. for Batman to be able to take down Superman, he has to be seasoned in fighting criminals and become wiser over the years with experience on how to take an enemy down besides using his brute force and martial arts skills. Otherwise, a Batman that can barely survive a Killer Croc or a Bane physically cannot take on a Superman, period. Notice I didn't say "take down". However, if Snyder goes the TDKR route, then he even might do that and I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

In this movie, I really do want Snyder to show "The Greatest Detective" and "Genius", "Predator", and "Expert of Martial Arts and Escapist" aspects of Batman. He is the complete warrior, and I think Snyder owes it to the audience to see it, after all the pain we've been through with TDK trilogy. Although it was a good portrayal, I didn't see the physical prowess of a predator or a warrior, and I didn't see the genius - he simply relied on Fox.

 

[hafizbat]

It's not just goofs. The fight choreography, stunt work and the way they are shot and edited is just unimaginative and shoddy. It's half arsed. And this isn't just the martial arts/fight scenes. Even in general action scenes with shoot outs and car chases Nolan and his team doesn't do a good job i don't think. The geography of his action scenes always seems a bit off. A big example of this is the opening scene with Batman in TDK. The way people are shooting and the locations of the cameras just don't make sense. Notice a fake Batman firing his shotgun and it apparently travels through the Chechen and his men and hits a car window behind them. Even little details like the guns not ejecting cartridges and not actually firing is really noticeable to me.

As a Batman fan i see films like The Winter Soldier and yearn for Batman to be shown in that way.

When Cap roundhouse kicks a mook in the face, it's bone crunching, you can feel the force of that kick.

When Batman punches someone in the shoulder it's just like... what, is that it? None of his blows seem hard hitting. And it just doesn't flow when he's fighting multiple opponents. You can see some of the stunt guys just standing around waiting for their cue.

Compare that to the elevator fight in TWS. That is how your choreograph chaos. There was over a dozen combatants in that scene, in a small confined space. Yet all of them had something to do. You didn't see stuntmen just standing there waiting for Cap to knock them out did you?

And this isn't just superfluous stuff. The way these characters fight should have as much attention and detail put into them as the more quiet scenes. It's all characterisation at the end of the day.

I mean look at the Cap vs Batroc fight. The way they fight tells you about their personalities. Batroc is flipping around, using a lot of kicks (he is called Batroc the Leaper for a reason!). Cap is more defensive and counter attack based. Nothing fancy, he's just straight to the point.

But Snyder also excels at this stuff. He has a real passion for it and he understands the importance of fight choreography. I get the feeling Nolan was never interested in it and kinda saw it beneath him.

Great post I agree 100%.

Terrible choreography or not (always easy to point stuff out in gifs) I seriously doubt a Snyder Bat-movie could touch the Nolan trilogy. It may have more comic accurate elements, heck to some it might even be a better "batman" movie, but I would be very very very (pleasantly) surprised if any comic book property directed by Zack Snyder would be a better film than any of the nolan trilogy for me.

This. Everyone is going nuts about how we're going to finally get a comic-accurate Batman, but it seems like the actual quality of the movies isn't that important anymore...

Comic accurate or not, Nolan gave Batman one of the most satisfying, deep story arcs any comic character has ever received. It makes me sad to see people trashing what the TDK trilogy accomplished.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The Dark Knight Trilogy is likely to remain as the best superhero story for a while yet, maybe even decades. It achieved this because it was more concerned with characters and their world than action, something some other CBM's could benefit from.

But the aesthetic and editing is still pretty pants in some areas, and that can't be changed either. Nolan's a tension director, not action.