BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - Part 25

[Jaspertian1105]

Well good, i dont even know how to make threads anyway, and there are like a billion of them. Still like or not that rivalry is only going to get worse once the DC movies are announced, hopefully they dont clash too much, if not you will see some real trolls.

Anyway this was Afflecks thread, i have gone out off topic way too much for a day

 

[KillerWolf]

Oh, I've seen plenty of trolls already all over the internet and, if I read the meaning of your post correctly, nobody accused you of being that either.

And yeah, lets get back to topic.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Fair enough, sounds good to me. Still have to get around the hype, so apologies if something came out wrong, this forum is among the best in my opinion , will try to keep it that way

 

[Da-Scribe]

What the hell is happening on this forum?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What the hell is happening on this forum?

Magic!!! No... Really. Especially since we now know that the ancient gods are indeed in the mix of WW's origin and the DCCU in general.

 

[DC2739]

Roven & Zack: We picked our new Batman.

Nolan: who?

Roven & Zack: Ben Affleck.

Nolan: Good choice...I still get paid, right?

Roven & Zack: Yeah.

Nolan: Ok, cheerio!

Nolan was more involved with post-production on MOS than anything else. Given the timelines, I imagine it will be the same once Interstellar is out.

 

[KillerWolf]

Magic!!! No... Really. Especially since we now know that the ancient gods are indeed in the mix of WW's origin and the DCCU in general.

Posting "magic" gifs has become more appropriate than ever. t:

 

[matt47]

What the hell is happening on this forum?

We got good news about DC characters. So we have to talk about Marvel and WB's short coming..

 

[matt47]

I love what Roven said about Batman being the peak human. FINALLY !

 

[lukebrodyg]

I love what Roven said about Batman being the peak human. FINALLY !

I'm with you. I would love to see this play out. And if he's a master detective then surely it won't take him long to conclude Clark is Superman.

But this whole "Superman needs to look up to Batman" thing just seems off. Whether from a literal or metaphorical standpoint, they should be equal. I don't want to see either greater than the other. I don't want to see Superman be taught "a thing or two" by the older, wiser Batman the same way I don't want to see a jaded Batman have to become something he's not because Superman is there.

But if it's subtle in that Superman learns from Batman about approaching evil and Batman learns that people can be trusted without sacrificing any inate qualities about the characters, I can deal.

 

[matt47]

I'm with you. I would love to see this play out. And if he's a master detective then surely it won't take him long to conclude Clark is Superman.

But this whole "Superman needs to look up to Batman" thing just seems off. Whether from a literal or metaphorical standpoint, they should be equal. I don't want to see either greater than the other. I don't want to see Superman be taught "a thing or two" by the older, wiser Batman the same way I don't want to see a jaded Batman have to become something he's not because Superman is there.

But if it's subtle in that Superman learns from Batman about approaching evil and Batman learns that people can be trusted without sacrificing any inate qualities about the characters, I can deal.

Yeah I want them to teach each other.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I've gotta ask, and I'm not trying to be insulting, is the only way for those who take issue with the height thing to be satisfied is if Superman is taller than Batman?

I mean is it really THAT unbelievable that Bruce could be a few inches taller than Clark?
Would it have ever been an issue if it was never mentioned?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No one but nerds care about details like that, people just want to see films that they enjoy.

 

[BatFan1979]

I think some people just want Superman to be totally dominating in every way, even in height. I personally don't care, because everyone in that Universe either knows, or will know soon, that Superman is named that for a reason, and a couple added inches in height wouldn't make a difference.

Cavill's 6' or 6'1" isn't anything to scoff at. With that SDCC pic of the two actors, the height difference really doesn't come across that much to me anyway.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I want them to be equal in both stature and respective abilities.

 

[BatFan1979]

I want them to be equal in both stature and respective abilities.

Respective abilities...which do you mean?

 

[lukebrodyg]

Respective abilities...which do you mean?

I mean I want each of their abilities to be handled equally in terms of relevance and advantages to the villain/threat. I don't want to see Batman trumped by what Superman can do anymore than I want them to attempt to trump Superman by what Batman can do.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I would rather their strengths and weaknesses compliment each other.
Superman can move faster and lift more. He can be a more out in the open sympathetic figure that Batman may not be. Plus his other assortment of powers.

Batman is obviously smarter and more technologically proficient. He's more tactical and a better technical fighter.

They're different people and it should be displayed.
Sure, I wouldn't want one to be steamrolled by the other but that's a different issue for the script.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I mean I want each of their abilities to be handled equally in terms of relevance and advantages to the villain/threat. I don't want to see Batman trumped by what Superman can do anymore than I want them to attempt to trump Superman by what Batman can do.

That's just it... And it's what sticks in my craw... Objectively? No, what you want actually shouldn't be. On many issues, they just aren't "equals" and no, it's not Nocturnal Flyong Mammal Man that has the advantage in what he can or can't do. Sorry, but if a nuclear power plant is about to blow, what can Bruce do that is equal to what Clark could? Leave that situation to Batman and everyone on the East Coast's house will have peeled paint and all the people outside the blast radius would develop permanent orange Afros. Now while Batman has his fields of MASTERY, Superman even starts treading on some of that turf. He's a living forensics lab. He works for one of the most respected Journalistic outfits in the world with access to all those resources... Wanna guess if he could solve a mystery nearly as fast as Batman? Now when it comes to those intangibles, that's the difference. Bruce's improbable wisdom, his Holmes-like analytical ability... That's a huge part of what makes him so formidable, and indeed I want to see him survive his encounter with Superman, and escape to live another day, only to come back for some more, and have THAT be impressive. But no... The idea of him Judo flipping Superman or handling a situation he honestly has no business being involved in, or he goes into a situation in which he would have been a smear in two seconds (putting a choke hold on DARKSIED? Really Bruce Timm?) all for parity with Superman sounds like overcompensating. Batman is about will and intellect... But there are limits and too often these past 25+ years we've got contrivance and plot armor to prop up The Dark Knight when he's around other heroes, especially Superman. Worse, other heroes get Nerfed, turn into idiots or are presented as incompetent when he's around far too often. Straight forwardly... They are equals in "heroism" but no... They really can't be equally matched unless you add in some contrivance. Yeah, I know it sounds harsh, but then again, I'm not a worshiper of THE BATGOD. I'm a student of THE BAT-MASTER and a follower of THE LAST SON.

 

[BatLobster]

These kinds of inevitable arguments just highlight why I usually don't prefer Batman and Superman to mix in the first place.

To be fair though, Batman more than earns all those narrative contrivances by virtue of being the more popular character.

 

[elgaz]

The height thing is neither here nor there for me.

Yes, Superman (in the comics and some visual media) has usually been portrayed as taller than Batman or at least the same height. I don't recall ever seeing him portrayed as shorter.

Does that mean it can't be done? No. This is the beauty of interpretation and getting different takes on things. It would be boring if every comic writer, artist and filmmaker stuck to the same rigid rules. There are certain big things they need to adhere to in order to do the character justice, but a certain amount of leeway should really be made for smaller details such as minimal height differences, cosmetic touches, and so on.

It probably won't even be that noticeable on screen. Let's not forget, Michael Shannon is touching 6"4 so is an almost identical height to Affleck. At no point during Man Of Steel did it look to me like Shannon was 'towering over' Cavill or making Cavill look tiny.

I actually quite like this route they're taking. It's different, and refreshing. Batman and Superman have traditionally been seen in some ways as equals, but in others as polar opposites. Now they're introducing a mismatch of sorts into their relationship - one younger and brash, one older and jaded. That makes the dynamic very interesting and it will refreshing to actually see them learn from each other rather than just resort to the same old arguments they always have over their differing methods.

 

[Citadel30]

I love what Roven said about Batman being the peak human. FINALLY !

This statement also got me geeked out. Batman is supposed to be THE BEST humanity has to offer from many aspects, but for this movie i am especially looking forward to the physical perspective.

What is going to also be interesting is to see if Batman is smarter than Lex. I am so excited to see Lex and Bruce have a conversation sharing ideas or feeling each other out from mental capacity aspect.

 

[KillerWolf]

This statement also got me geeked out. Batman is supposed to be THE BEST humanity has to offer from many aspects, but for this movie i am especially looking forward to the physical perspective.

What is going to also be interesting is to see if Batman is smarter than Lex. I am so excited to see Lex and Bruce have a conversation sharing ideas or feeling each other out from mental capacity aspect.

Indeed. I hope they won't underplay his intellect. I was hoping to hear something about that aspect in the interview with Roven, but unfortunately he haven't said anything about that.
The fact that he referred to Nolans Batman as a "detective" got me worried a bit to be honest.

 

[Citadel30]

Indeed. I hope they won't underplay his intellect. I was hoping to hear something about that aspect in the interview with Roven, but unfortunately he haven't said anything about that.
The fact that he referred to Nolans Batman as a "detective" got me worried a bit to be honest.

Yep. Nolan did show bits and pieces of detective work (the scene where he is spying on the fire escape in BB and the shattered bullet reconstruction scene in TDK), but I wouldn't label him as a true detective in that series.

I highly doubt Bats will go full blown Sherlock on us in BvS. I just don't think there is enough time to explore that until his next stand alone movie.

But we will see.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yep. Nolan did show bits and pieces of detective work (the scene where he is spying on the fire escape in BB and the shattered bullet reconstruction scene in TDK), but I wouldn't label him as a true detective in that series.

I highly doubt Bats will go full blown Sherlock on us in BvS. I just don't think there is enough time to explore that until his next stand alone movie.

But we will see.

Well no, that would be Rust Cohle. t:

Anyway, they don't have to spend much time depicting it, just to briefly show his extraordinary intellect in a scene or two.

But, yeah we'll see.