BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - Part 34

[Astro13Zombie]

Bale showed more variety in 3 whole movies than Affleck did in a couple trailers and a short clip.?!

 

[The Shape]

I'd argue that the TDK films probably had more time to depict a wide variety of emotion. I personally think the "angry shots" won't be all the shots of Bruce in the movie.

Lol, obviously.

 

[superboy13]

Bale was subtle as Bruce Wayne, and not every shot was a ANGER FACE as Bruce. That's what we've been given with Ben so far. We get it, Bruce Wayne is an angry man, now i want to see some variety please.

But the scenes chosen for the trailers warrant those kind of expressions. It's only "overacting" if, in context, it's over the top.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Exactly. Bruce is watching his world literally crumble around him, seeing the Joker MOCK him for not saving everyone, brooding about the events that happened and what he'd want to do to Superman, not having the support of Alfred against his vendetta with Superman, and having a primal fear of becoming demasked and powerless (as revealed in a dream)

Affleck does an excellent job of conveying this so far with his eyes and facial expressions.

 

[BatLobster]

Yup, personally I'm strictly referring to the bits we've seen without the mask. Sure, you could say Bale was also overacting when in the suit with the voice. However, the character himself was putting on an over the top voice for a reason. The character himself is, in effect "acting". So there's a motivation behind it. It was just the choice of voice that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I almost think you have to overact when you're in the suit because you're much more limited. You have to project a lot of energy from behind the mask (not saying you have to do throat cancer voice, but it's also just about the way you carry yourself). I've never been worried about whether Affleck will make a good Batman, I think he'll make a great Batman- these comments are more about the Bruce Wayne side of things. Ben has always been a good physical match for the part. Hell, Paul Dini wanted to him for Batman Vs. Superman back in 2000. The reason he was never a major fan favorite for the role in all these years is...well, it was the popular opinion for a long time was that he's bland/subpar actor. That's the reality of it. Because of that, he's bringing a lot of baggage to the role that he's going to have to overcome. He knew that when he signed the dotted line.

I think Ben has had some good moments in what we've seen too. The first shot of him staring at the suit was pretty good. The "20 years in Gotham" line works for me. However, bits like him comforting the child, looking up from the newspaper, and not his seething rage face after being unmasked...on first impression, those moments feel overcooked to me and I just see Ben Affleck trying, and not the character. That's all. It's quite possible that these moments will work better in context, or maybe even aren't the final takes, but I'm just reacting to what we're shown like everyone else. Maybe I'm just reacting more because of confirmation bias, as his performance is not something I'm 100% confident about. We'll see. I would love nothing more than to absolutely buy this performance. That would damn near make the movie for me.

As always, it can be challenging to express shades of grey in your opinion here. You either worship at the alter of Snyder/Affleck, or you're evil.

 

[shauner111]

But the scenes chosen for the trailers warrant those kind of expressions. It's only "overacting" if, in context, it's over the top.

I agree. I said that yesterday. Ill cut it slack because it could be the way they're editing the trailers. Only choosing specific moments where Bruce is a part of a reveal. But im allowed to look at what im seeing and pointing out that every shot of |Bruce so far is an angry rage face. I want to see variety in these trailers where Bruce is feeling something else other than rage.

 

[superboy13]

I agree. I said that yesterday. Ill cut it slack because it could be the way they're editing the trailers. Only choosing specific moments where Bruce is a part of a reveal. But im allowed to look at what im seeing and pointing out that every shot of |Bruce so far is an angry rage face. I want to see variety in these trailers where Bruce is feeling something else other than rage.

Fair enough.

 

[Boom]

I agree. I said that yesterday. Ill cut it slack because it could be the way they're editing the trailers. Only choosing specific moments where Bruce is a part of a reveal. But im allowed to look at what im seeing and pointing out that every shot of |Bruce so far is an angry rage face. I want to see variety in these trailers where Bruce is feeling something else other than rage.

There were shots of Bruce in the Comic Con trailer where he didn't have an angry rage face.

The other thing to consider is that they are clearly marketing the "versus" aspect of the film. As such, it's no surprise we're getting shots where the two characters are pissed at each other. It's like the lead up hype to a UFC fight.

We've only seen a handful of footage for a two hour movie. There's obviously more to it than these two being at odds. We already know Bruce comes into this film at a dark place. Hence the anger and the angst. It's Superman's job to bring him out of it by the end.

They're marketing the showdown. Save the resolution and nuances for the actual film.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Batfleck looking at his suit is better than Bale looking at his. There.

Round n round we go. lol

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Batfleck looking at his suit is better than Bale looking at his. There.

Round n round we go. lol

It's a never ending loop lol.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I'd argue that the TDK films probably had more time to depict a wide variety of emotion. I personally think the "angry shots" won't be all the shots of Bruce in the movie.

Yeah, I very much doubt that.

 

[morningmimosa]

When does he finally cheer up a bit and start saving people ... eh, wait a minute.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Anyone beside me not see Affleck/Bruce Wayne under that mask?

With bale you could tell.


Don't get me wrong it's a good thing. I guess the wider face/mask conceals who's underneath it better

Bale's mask was leaner with the cheek parts sucked in

 

[shauner111]

There were shots of Bruce in the Comic Con trailer where he didn't have an angry rage face.

The other thing to consider is that they are clearly marketing the "versus" aspect of the film. As such, it's no surprise we're getting shots where the two characters are pissed at each other. It's like the lead up hype to a UFC fight.

We've only seen a handful of footage for a two hour movie. There's obviously more to it than these two being at odds. We already know Bruce comes into this film at a dark place. Hence the anger and the angst. It's Superman's job to bring him out of it by the end.

They're marketing the showdown. Save the resolution and nuances for the actual film.

I hope you're right.

Batfleck looking at his suit is better than Bale looking at his. There.

Round n round we go. lol

You can't compare two different scenarios. Which time are you talking about, with Bale looking at his suit? Rises? He's been out for 8 years. This one with Ben may be a different case. Maybe he's still active when this movie starts, and he's looking at his suit thinking of what he needs to do to Superman. He wants to destroy him and perhaps he's thinking of his childhood at the same time. We just don't know. Bale looking at his, was more like "good, it's been a hell of a long time, and maybe i can die in battle". Two different expressions are needed.

 

[shauner111]

Anyone beside me not see Affleck/Bruce Wayne under that mask?

With bale you could tell.


Don't get me wrong it's a good thing. I guess the wider face/mask conceals who's underneath it better

Bale's mask was leaner with the cheek parts sucked in

I could tell it was Affleck up until the point where he does that turn towards Superman (very Batman-ish). I could always tell because of his chin, and his facial expressions under the mask in the beginning of the sneak peek were just classic Affleck. Maybe it's also because i just watched Gone Girl again like 2 days ago, so i've been used to seeing Ben's face.

 

[Knightfall]

I could tell it was Affleck up until the point where he does that turn towards Superman (very Batman-ish). I could always tell because of his chin, and his facial expressions under the mask in the beginning of the sneak peek were just classic Affleck. Maybe it's also because i just watched Gone Girl again like 2 days ago, so i've been used to seeing Ben's face.

The only thing that screamed affleck to me was his teeth. He has those very distinct veneers. However, this is batman. The looks of fear and anger yet already assessing the situation for a way out.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Anyone beside me not see Affleck/Bruce Wayne under that mask?

With bale you could tell.


Don't get me wrong it's a good thing. I guess the wider face/mask conceals who's underneath it better

It's more than that. I actually touched on the subject a few times, so I'll just repost what I typed most recently.

Yes, looking at that cover, you almost get the sense that Aparo was inspired by Ben's likeness when rendering it. Interestingly enough, he wasn't properly credited for his work. It was Greg Rucka who later acknowledged -- on his website -- that Aparo was responsible for said illustration.

I agree that Affleck looks less like Lee's Wayne, which is why I emboldened my previous reference to Aparo. Where I see a similarity, however, is in the long/dolichocephalic head form -- the high cheek bones and somewhat narrow chin. You know, I actually think that Affleck himself is somewhat generic looking (not in a bad way, mind you) in the sense that he almost looks like a drawing. While not having a perfectly square jaw, his head form comes close to approaching that of a typical superhero. This is also reinforced by his narrow nose and thin lips; said features allow for him to better disappear behind the cowl. Sure, you could say that his prominent chin is a dead give-away, but I've found that Bruce Wayne has been rendered with a fairly large chin in the pages of the comics more often than not. So, for me, that's a nonissue.

 

[Enriquespy]

Anyone beside me not see Affleck/Bruce Wayne under that mask?

The problem is that big mole (wart?) of Ben. One can see it a mile away.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

You guys should check out Anthony Geoffroy's caricature art (see below); as with most caricatures, his illustrations are ugly as sin, but they do a great job of showing what makes individual faces distinct from each other.

I'm looking forward to his take on Affleck as Batman.

Spoiler

 

[Rowsdower!]

LOL at that Daniel Craig image.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Yike. Did someone run over Cavills face with a truck?

 

[Travesty]

Yike. Did someone run over Cavills face with a truck?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He looks like the Crypt Keeper.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Cavill looks like a roided up Peter Gallagher in that drawing.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Anyone beside me not see Affleck/Bruce Wayne under that mask?

With bale you could tell.


Don't get me wrong it's a good thing. I guess the wider face/mask conceals who's underneath it better

Bale's mask was leaner with the cheek parts sucked in

I don't want to blame Bale for not working out (that's clearly untrue) but Batfleck's arms show definition MUCH more and looks like he could rip off TDKR's Bane's head with his bare hands. I blame the plated suit of Rises.

 

[Eggyman]

Love the films but always been underwhelmed with Bale's Batman. The playboy front he does is amazing - the best parts of his performance, for me.