The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - - Part 19

[Silvermoon]

Thinking back to the photos/videos of the production it seems to me that a shot/scene might have been edited out of that sequence that made it clearer.

Spoiler

There are spy videos of the causeway sequence that may show the Winter Soldier atop another vehicle before jumping onto the roof of the car that Cap & co. were in. Or it could just have been shots of him on top of their car. You'd have to search for the set videos to see for sure. At any rate, it's plausible that WS jumped from the mooks' SUV and the directors simply didn't show it a) to heighten the shock of Sitwell's demise and b) because they assumed that the audience would understand what happened.

Hmmm... I shall have to track down those videos then (which I've actually been meaning to do anyways since sometimes it's interesting to go back and watch those after the fact)

 

[TalismanRing]

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...m-the-museum-to-front-pages-180951242/?no-ist

How Captain America Made the Leap From the Museum to the Front Pages

Filmed at the Smithsonian, the smash hit prompts curator Amy Henderson to ponder the real world anxieties underlying our superhero fictions

By Amy Henderson
April 29, 2014 8:48PM

The Smithsonian is a Hollywood hotspot? It’s true that many of the collections are sprinkled with stardust, including the Ruby Slippers, Miss Piggy and Katharine Hepburn’s four Academy Awards; and yes, the exhibition “Dancing the Dream” at the National Portrait Gallery rolls out an Oscar-worthy Red Carpet. It also turns out that the Smithsonian has been featured in nearly two dozen movies, beginning with the 1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still. Starring Michael Rennie and directed by Robert Wise, the classic sci-fi film opened with an alien spaceship flying over the Smithsonian Castle and landing on the Ellipse in front of the White House to warn Earthlings about warlike behavior in the Atomic Age.

Currently, the National Air and Space Museum is taking its cinematic bow. Several scenes in this month’s box office smash Captain America: The Winter Soldier were partially filmed there, although true to Hollywood form, the museum’s movie role is both real and reel (with apologies to Frank Sanello, author of the seminal 2002 work, "Reel V. Real: How Hollywood Turns Fact into Fiction.)

The filmmakers portrayed the museum’s real “Milestones of Flight Gallery” in the movie and last summer, curator Margaret Weitekamp was among those tasked with keeping a watchful eye over the crew as they worked after hours one evening. The crew used a crane-mounted Busby Berkeley-like boom camera that swooped from Charles Lindbergh’s Spirit of St. Louis on one side of the gallery to the sleek, stubbed-wing X-15 on the other. Weitekamp told me that she firmly warned the crew that they were working around real national treasures. But caution ruled because the crew was equally concerned about their very expensive equipment. So for about three hours the film camera swung arc-after-arc over the Milestones Gallery to film what emerged as a couple of seconds on film.
The movie’s Hollywood depiction of the museum gets more screen time, and features an ersatz exhibition on Captain America and his World War II unit. At one point, Captain America is seen strolling through the exhibit in civilian clothes; at another, he “borrows” his WWII costume from the exhibit for a whiz-bang climax (SPOILER ALERT) that saves civilization and ends the film.

Most of the story unfolds with both real and reel Washington, D.C. scenes. Action central takes place within a CIA or NSA-like agency “across the river” in Northern Virginia. Unlike its real-life secretive counterparts, SHIELD—characterized as “an international peace-keeping agency”—is not hidden in the backwoods of Langley, Virginia, but brazenly planted in full view across the Potomac from the Kennedy Center.

While this movie focuses on Captain America (Chris Evans) with some help from The Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) and The Falcon (Anthony Mackie), SHIELD is also home turf for all of the Marvel Comics action superheroes, including Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor. These characters appeared together in 2012’s The Avengers, after which Marvel peeled off films devoted to specific action figures in Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World.

In the 1970s and 1980s, movies celebrated pure comic book superheroes like Batman, Superman and Spiderman. But with its sequential strategizing, Marvel has now launched the comic book genre into a new
stratosphere.

A calibrated system of sequential rotation has allowed Marvel Studios to turn the slam-bang action adventure genre into a wildly successful Hollywood franchise. Marvel’s comic universe provides a ready pool of superheroes that generate blockbuster after blockbuster, sometimes together—as in The Avengers, which was 2012’s highest grossing film—but otherwise as a showcase for a specific superhero. This year’s megahit, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, has earned a whopping $224.9 million in its first four weeks at the domestic box office. Forbes Magazine media critic Scott Mendelson recently asked, “Can Diversified Superhero Films Save Mainstream Genre Movies?” Marvel Studios (owned by Disney) has created a strategy that aims at dominating “big-scale blockbuster film-making by offering a franchise” that releases several films a year; their box office success is so huge that it boosts mainstream moviedom as a whole.

Along with strong production values and good screenwriting, Marvel’s box office appeal is nurtured by A-List actors. Captain America’s great nemesis in The Winter Soldier turns out to be Robert Redford, who makes quite a fine impression as a profoundly soulless evil-doer.

The other thing Marvel has done is to inject Captain America with a strong dose of topicality—a “topically relevant subtext” attracts viewer attention, Forbes suggests, as much as “fantasies…wrapped in tights.”

Weitekamp, who studies the social and cultural dimensions of spaceflight, agrees that Captain America’s narrative contains a “darker sophisticated cultural critique.” HYDRA, a nasty group that has infiltrated SHIELD, ultimately plans to use every manner of dragnet surveillance to kill off millions of people. It’s a Terror Watch List run amok.

The movie’s co-director Joe Russo told Mother Jones that “Marvel said they wanted to make a political thriller,” so he and his co-director brother Anthony decided that “all the great political thrillers have very current issues in them that reflect the anxiety of the audience…That gives it an immediacy, it makes it relevant.” They looked at the issues and decided to work on civil liberties issues like “preemptive technology.” He had begun filming when the first Edward Snowden/NSA leaks came out. “It was all in the ether,” Russo said, “it was all part of the zeitgeist.”

As it happened, Captain America topped the box office the same week that the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service was awarded to the Washington Post and the Guardian for their reporting on the National Security Agency’s massive phone and Internet surveillance programs.

 

[DN91]

So, did Colbert ultimately address the "Hail Hydra" thing?

 

[Silvermoon]

Did this article on the visual effects ever get posted?

FXGuide.com: Captain America: The Winter Soldier – reaching new heights

Some of the topics they touch on in the article:

Spoiler

Staging the Helicarrier Crash:


Young to Old Peggy:

Innovation: The final shots of ‘Old Peggy’ were realized by Lola VFX by transposing the facial features of an elderly actress onto the face of Atwell who had performed her lines with no make-up and only a few tracking markers.

and more

 

[Dark Raven]

The digital ageing of Hayley is amazing. However, she doesn't always look quite like the same person in her elderly state. It's sometimes hard to recognise Miss Atwell in there.

 

[speno94]

^ I agree! I LOVED the peggy scene, very emotional and the CGI makeup was great, but I wish there was more scenes with her just because that scene was so good. In interviews etc we know that Steve visits her often, but I think they could have made that more clear in the film because the first time I watched it I thought to myself if this is the first time he is visiting her or has he multiple times and they could have made that more clear with maybe Steve saying to the doctor "how has she been this week?" or something like that.

Also at the end of the film, I was wondering what happened to Peggy, did she die? will she be in Cap 3? I think they could have made that more clear especially with Sharon. Maybe a scene of Sharon visiting her or Peggy's funeral in Cap 3? It's interesting where they go with the whole Peggy & Sharon subplot.

 

[Dark Raven]

I have to say that the Cap movies probably have the best special effects in a comic book movie where you're not even supposed to see an effect - eg skinny Steve Rogers, old Peggy Carter etc.

 

[TheVileOne]

In this case I think it's better for digital aging instead of prosthetic. Prosthetic age makeup is starting to show it's age "pun intended" literally.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hate old age make-up. What they did in Cap 2 looked fantastic.

 

[Visualiza]

Come on, you folks didn't like Life?

 

[BestGirl]

^ I agree! I LOVED the peggy scene, very emotional and the CGI makeup was great, but I wish there was more scenes with her just because that scene was so good. In interviews etc we know that Steve visits her often, but I think they could have made that more clear in the film because the first time I watched it I thought to myself if this is the first time he is visiting her or has he multiple times and they could have made that more clear with maybe Steve saying to the doctor "how has she been this week?" or something like that.

Also at the end of the film, I was wondering what happened to Peggy, did she die? will she be in Cap 3? I think they could have made that more clear especially with Sharon. Maybe a scene of Sharon visiting her or Peggy's funeral in Cap 3? It's interesting where they go with the whole Peggy & Sharon subplot.

It was a wonderful scene but I'm glad there weren't more of them because I could hardly handle the one. Cap and Peggy is probably my favorite comic book movie relationship and it breaks my heart that it's so tragic.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think they should've kept her eyebrows darker when they aged her, just like she is when younger. Hayley's dark eyebrows are very distinctive and part of what give her her look. At least if they're not dark, they should look as thick.

 

[Bren]

It's all in the eyebrows.

 

[fixxxer]

As lovely as the scene was, and as good as Atwell's performance was, I didn't distinctly recognize old-Peggy as Haley Atwell... either visually or in terms of mannerisms. I'm wondering why they didn't just cast an older actress to portray old-Peggy. Wouldn't it have resulted in less time/money/effort for everyone involved?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It was pretty clear what the scene was getting across. Not sure how you couldn't recognize her but w/e

 

[fixxxer]

It was pretty clear what the scene was getting across. Not sure how you couldn't recognize her but w/e

No, I agree with all of that.

My point is that if we were not given any information beforehand that Atwell would be playing old-Peggy under layers of make-up and/or CGI enhancements, I'm not sure anyone would be able to tell that it was in fact Haley Atwell playing the part.

Given that, I'm just wondering if casting an older actress to play old-Peggy instead of aging up Haley Atwell to play the role (especially since it rendered her somewhat unrecognizable) would've saved some time/effort/resources. Hey, I'm not raging against the decision or anything since the final result turned out pretty damn well. Not a big deal at all, one way or the other.

 

[sueb1863]

Casting older actors doesn't always work. It's tricky to match up the older versions with the younger versions.

For example, Gloria Stuart as the older Rose in Titanic did an excellent job but I never for one moment believed she was an older version of Kate Winslet's Rose. She didn't look like Kate, sound like Kate, or act like Kate. They always seem like two completely different characters to me.

 

[TalismanRing]

I had no problem seeing Hayley Atwell under the CGI (though I thought it was just very good make-up) or recognizing her voice. The casting retained the great actor chemistry and lent more poignancy to the scenes than casting a 90 something actress would have.

 

[Xhexania]

I didn´t recognize it was Hayley in that scene, but I remembered reading her listed to return in her role, then of course, the chemistry was there... it is a small intimate scene, it would not had worked the same if it would had been another actress.
Besides, it seems to me that Marvel likes her a lot, and Peggy is liked a lot by the fans, so it seems Marvel is always looking for ways to have her connected to Cap.

 

[Minxie]

So with Cap 3 only 2 years away... does anyone else think they might announce the title at Comic Con this year? I was discussing this with a friend today and I was wondering what everyone here thought. I mean late July would still be pretty early based on how long it usually takes to announce these things, but from the sounds of it the Russos and Markus/McFeely almost have a head start and are pretty confident about the direction they're going. And they are supposed to start filming around spring next year. They announced TWS about 8 months before filming started if I recall.

Of course I'm sure Marvel's attention will be focused on promoting AoU at this year's CC so even if there was a confirmed title they might wait a few more months to announce it officially...

 

[cherokeesam]

So with Cap 3 only 2 years away... does anyone else think they might announce the title at Comic Con this year? I was discussing this with a friend today and I was wondering what everyone here thought. I mean late July would still be pretty early based on how long it usually takes to announce these things, but from the sounds of it the Russos and Markus/McFeely almost have a head start and are pretty confident about the direction they're going. And they are supposed to start filming around spring next year. They announced TWS about 8 months before filming started if I recall.

Of course I'm sure Marvel's attention will be focused on promoting AoU at this year's CC so even if there was a confirmed title they might wait a few more months to announce it officially...

I'm gonna place bets on either of two titles:

Captain America: The Sleeper Awakes
Captain America: Red Skull Rising

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

My mom and I went to go see it on Sunday. She normally falls asleep watching movies, so before we went, she told me that if she did not to wake her up lol. She assumed it would be boring, because she's not into superhero movies. She ended up absolutely loving it, but did drift off during the scene where Natasha and Steve were having that intimate talk in Sam's bedroom. She did wake up afterwards though, and was back on the ride lol. Afterwards, she told me that she couldn't wait for Cap 3. During the mid-credits scene, she saw the twins and said, "S**t, they're crazy!" Cracked me up.

Gah, I really love this movie.

 

[Travesty]

In this case I think it's better for digital aging instead of prosthetic. Prosthetic age makeup is starting to show it's age "pun intended" literally.

Dude, Johnny Knoxville looks pretty convincing.

I'm just saying. t:

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Its easier to pull off the old age makeup if you're wiry and lean. But if you can do it in post and it works with the budget why not? Clearly they've almost perfected it (obviously it helped that she was immobile for the entire scene) . I do feel bad for the makeup artists going forward. LEss work for them I guess.

 

[Son of Coul]

They get to migrate over to GOTG for some awesome alien practical effects.