The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - - Part 19

[hafizbat]

"Romance" is not the same as discussing his sex life.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

This thread is getting really awkward

 

[Kane52630]

 

[hafizbat]

^That's beautiful.

 

[Minxie]

^That's beautiful.

I love that parallel. Especially considering that Steve's "end of the line" is equivalent to Bucky's "not without you." Bucky would have stayed in that burning HYDRA factory with Steve and Steve was ready to go down in that helicarrier with Bucky.

 

[speno94]

I found an excellent and really insightful interview with the screenwriters of Cap 2 Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely by Steve Weintraub at Collider (who's does great interviews!)

http://collider.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/

It's 15 minutes long and they basically just talk about how smoothly the production went, there was no problems with the script, hardly any changes etc which sounds great (unlike Thor 2 which had quite a few production problems).

Overall, it's really insightful, they mention that the third act with the Helicarriers came from an idea that both they and Kevin Feige had and it comes from The Ultimates 2 comic with Helicarriers falling near the Triskellion and Kevin thought it looked cool. Also, they mention that the causeway scene was meant to take place on a causeway above water with a draw bridge, but they couldn't find one to shut down to film, so they done it on the streets instead which worked out better.They also talk about the Nick Fury chase scene and how they wanted to give him a proper action scene, the Stan Lee cameo, the Peggy Carter scene and the fact that they played with adding more flashbacks in early drafts of the script, but some felt unnecessary. Really good watch!

EDIT: There is also another another interview from Steve Weintraub at Collider, but this time with Anthony & Joe Russo which is also 15 minutes long.

http://collider.com/anthony-joe-russo-captain-america-winter-soldier-interview/

This interview is also very insightful, they talk a lot about Robert Redford's character arc, they mention that there will be about 5 minutes of deleted scenes and talk about one with Black Widow and Nick Fury. They talk about the logic of Fury's other eye under the eye patch, the Arnim Zola scene and the fact that it is slightly more science fiction than the rest of the film, but they liked the fact that the scene was slightly weird, but that was probably the scene they struggled with the most with the exposition etc so this interview is another great watch!

 

[BrandonBurge616]

I wonder, if you zoomed in on the radar that had all of the Helicarrier's/Hydra's targets, would you find the names of more characters that will be introduced in the MCU in the future? (Including Stephen Strange)

 

[Dr. Evil]

Stephen Strange was mentioned directly by Sitwell.

 

[BrandonBurge616]

I know, and he was obviously one of the targets. I'm just saying, could the other targets be Marvel Universe characters that they will incorporate into the MCU in the future?

 

[Dr. Evil]

My favorite cameo in the entire film wasn't Stan Lee (although his cameo was good) it was this guy:

It's Danny Pudi for those that don't watch Community.

 

[Silvermoon]

Beautiful, love it

I love that parallel. Especially considering that Steve's "end of the line" is equivalent to Bucky's "not without you." Bucky would have stayed in that burning HYDRA factory with Steve and Steve was ready to go down in that helicarrier with Bucky.

Yeah, and also the parallel between what happens on the train in 1945 and what happens at the very end of the helicarrier battle (with the roles reversed/Steve in Bucky's place as the one that falls off while the other watches)

 

[redhawk23]

I must be a simpleton or something but when i go see a superhero movie the last thing I'm looking for is allegories or deeper meanings. I want pure escapism first and foremost. Sheesh, my day to day dealings with real life are enough for me to worry about.

That doesn't mean they aren't there or that the things filmmakers put into films in an attempt to appeal to a broad base of people don't indicate things about our culture.

 

[Suzanne78]

Beautiful, love it


Yeah, and also the parallel between what happens on the train in 1945 and what happens at the very end of the helicarrier battle (with the roles reversed/Steve in Bucky's place as the one that falls off while the other watches)

Mm… yes. All of that was just so well-executed. Good enough for fans of the first film to cotton on, subtle enough that it wasn't a directly switch/reversal and still worked as a parallel.

That's how you do callbacks/parallels to the preceding film in a movie, other sequels!!

 

[Xeno]

I found an excellent and really insightful interview with the screenwriters of Cap 2 Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely by Steve Weintraub at Collider (who's does great interviews!)

http://collider.com/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/

It's 15 minutes long and they basically just talk about how smoothly the production went, there was no problems with the script, hardly any changes etc which sounds great (unlike Thor 2 which had quite a few production problems).

Overall, it's really insightful, they mention that the third act with the Helicarriers came from an idea that both they and Kevin Feige had and it comes from The Ultimates 2 comic with Helicarriers falling near the Triskellion and Kevin thought it looked cool. Also, they mention that the causeway scene was meant to take place on a causeway above water with a draw bridge, but they couldn't find one to shut down to film, so they done it on the streets instead which worked out better.They also talk about the Nick Fury chase scene and how they wanted to give him a proper action scene, the Stan Lee cameo, the Peggy Carter scene and the fact that they played with adding more flashbacks in early drafts of the script, but some felt unnecessary. Really good watch!

EDIT: There is also another another interview from Steve Weintraub at Collider, but this time with Anthony & Joe Russo which is also 15 minutes long.

http://collider.com/anthony-joe-russo-captain-america-winter-soldier-interview/

This interview is also very insightful, they talk a lot about Robert Redford's character arc, they mention that there will be about 5 minutes of deleted scenes and talk about one with Black Widow and Nick Fury. They talk about the logic of Fury's other eye under the eye patch, the Arnim Zola scene and the fact that it is slightly more science fiction than the rest of the film, but they liked the fact that the scene was slightly weird, but that was probably the scene they struggled with the most with the exposition etc so this interview is another great watch!

Those are great interviews. I watched them the other day. "Frosty" gets some flak for being such an obvious fanboy but he asks good questions and makes the most of his time with interviewees. It's a shame that the "editors" at CBM often rip off Collider's stuff because that site deserves more traffic for all the hard work that they do.

The Captain America franchise is definitely benefiting from having the same writers pen all of the scripts. Markus & McFeeley have a deep understanding of Steve Rogers and his world. They have managed to make the films all about Steve without neglecting to develop the supporting cast around him. The result has been films that never lose sight of the fact that the hero is the reason they exist, not the side characters. They could teach the writers of Thor a lesson or two.

The fact that there are only five minutes of deleted scenes is amazing. The directors and writers were totally in sync on TWS. Before the shot a single scene they knew that they had what they wanted on the page, with no fat to be trimmed and only a few things to be added. Again, the Thor people should take notes.

 

[Raiden]

Those are great interviews. I watched them the other day. "Frosty" gets some flak for being such an obvious fanboy but he asks good questions and makes the most of his time with interviewees. It's a shame that the "editors" at CBM often rip off Collider's stuff because that site deserves more traffic for all the hard work that they do.

The Captain America franchise is definitely benefiting from having the same writers pen all of the scripts. Markus & McFeeley have a deep understanding of Steve Rogers and his world. They have managed to make the films all about Steve without neglecting to develop the supporting cast around him. The result has been films that never lose sight of the fact that the hero is the reason they exist, not the side characters. They could teach the writers of Thor a lesson or two.

The fact that there are only five minutes of deleted scenes is amazing. The directors and writers were totally in sync on TWS. Before the shot a single scene they knew that they had what they wanted on the page, with no fat to be trimmed and only a few things to be added. Again, the Thor people should take notes.

I just hope Feige will take his time and assemble the right team for Thor 3 before they shoot it; I don't want another TDW, especially after TWS showing how a good movie should be done.

And another thing Thor can learn from Cap's success is to put the focus on the hero, and not the villain or the supporting characters. I like Loki and Hiddleston's performance is terrific, but part of the problem with TDW is that Loki got the arc but Thor didn't, so it felt more like a Loki movie than the Thunder God himself. Cap is supposed to be a character that is less flashy than Thor, but the TWS team knew exactly how to write a story that brings out the best in Steve Rogers. I hope Feige will realize it as the MCU moves forward to Phase 3.

 

[Human Torch]

Cap doesn't kiss and tell.

 

[Suzanne78]

Why did no one tell me there's an older Gruenwald side storyline in his Cap run where Cap applies as an artist for Marvel Comics?!

So meta. Much funny.

 

[MrMaooz]

This movie was awesome by the way.

 

[Moridin]

I just hope Feige will take his time and assemble the right team for Thor 3 before they shoot it;

They hired writers for Thor 3 months ago, Craig Kyle & Christopher Yost.

 

[sabetoonth]

Just got back from seeing this, holy hell it was amazing. The Dark Knight comparisons don't do it justice. I loved every bit of it.

 

[Xeno]

Why did no one tell me there's an older Gruenwald side storyline in his Cap run where Cap applies as an artist for Marvel Comics?!

So meta. Much funny.

I've always thought of Steve Rogers as a sort of idealized Jack Kirby. Kirby was also an artistic kid from Brooklyn who went off to war and had many exploits on the battlefield. Of course Kirby and Joe Simon created Cap before they enlisted, but the detail about Steve being a commercial artist evolved later on.

Cap doesn't kiss at all.

FTFY

 

[PunyGod]

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[hafizbat]

Heh, I found it interesting that Grillo and James Badge Dale were both in the movie "The Grey". Turns out they would both do a stellar job playing dangerous 2nd hand men. Maybe Marvel watched "The Grey"?

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[Suzanne78]

Grillo in The Grey really, really made me notice him as a character actor. Then I also checked him out in Warrior. Really great stuff.

He's got a great agent or something, landing him pretty memorable roles in these indie films, and then getting him Rumlow in Cap. He did fantastic work in a small part. I cannot wait for Bones to be beefed up!

 

[Crimson King]

That's kind of demeaning to the genre.

I get that all the time. It's the worst backhanded compliment when people read my stuff and say it's good "considering what it is."

We get no respect!

/dangerfield