The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - - Part 19

[The Caped Knight]

From the Art of Book?

yep.

 

[sabetoonth]

Anything else super cool in there worth sharing? I love those books but can't buy every one of them.

 

[yllum]

Oh I did share this before a while back...share it again as it is quite interesting

the books states that the technology involved in making WS's metal arm is beyond what tony stark can achieve at the moment

hydra is ahead of tony, tech wise

 

[Spider-Fan]

August 12th in the tentative release date. No word so far if they're continuing with that early digital download option.

Link to that tentative date?

 

[TalismanRing]

Link to that tentative date?

I read it on a Blu_ray forum, can't find it now.

But here's the link to German Amazon which lists August 14th (Thursday)

http://www.amazon.de/Return-Avenger...ef=sr_1_9?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1399579542&sr=1-9

Edit: Also August 12 release date in France

http://www.amazon.fr/Captain-Americ...ef=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1399585146&sr=1-1

 

[metaphysician]

Which parallels Tony Stark's battles in IM3. Or *all* the IM movies, for that matter.

Tony and Steve have a common enemy in the military-industrial complex. That's why I continue to be mystified when fan speculation both here and on other sites tends to gravitate towards wild theories about these guys wanting to head up/rebuild SHIELD, build killer robots for SHIELD, or that the Avengers will have anything to do with SHIELD (or any other government) from here on.

Well, they can't avoid having "anything to do with any other government", because if they expect to get anything done, they need at the very least government acquiescence. The Avengers can't protect the world if they are barely tolerated vigilantes constantly being served warrants by the police and feds.

Of course, that's far and away from them working *for* the government.

 

[metaphysician]

Oh I did share this before a while back...share it again as it is quite interesting

the books states that the technology involved in making WS's metal arm is beyond what tony stark can achieve at the moment

hydra is ahead of tony, tech wise

Eh, I suspect its simply a matter that Tony hasn't bothered to put any personal research time into cybernetics before. If he did, I suspect he'd be blowing away everything done by Hydra in a couple months, tops. After all, his armor work is already vastly better in terms of engineering; making a cyberlimb would "just" be a matter of incorporating a good neural interface into a mechanical limb.

 

[Vartha]

I want me a WS Bluray/dvd

 

[Ant-manic]

Eh, I suspect its simply a matter that Tony hasn't bothered to put any personal research time into cybernetics before. If he did, I suspect he'd be blowing away everything done by Hydra in a couple months, tops. After all, his armor work is already vastly better in terms of engineering; making a cyberlimb would "just" be a matter of incorporating a good neural interface into a mechanical limb.

which begs the question, "why hasn't Stark done it?" why didn't he create extremis? in some ways, Tony is really lazy as an inventor. he's been focused almost entirely on that armor of his (exception being his clean energy research).

 

[Ant-manic]

In my mind I keep imagining classic 616 white Nick Fury as his grandfather.

I jut imagine SLJ with both eyes t:

i imagine the dad from 'Friday.'

 

[metaphysician]

which begs the question, "why hasn't Stark done it?" why didn't he create extremis? in some ways, Tony is really lazy as an inventor. he's been focused almost entirely on that armor of his (exception being his clean energy research).

Those are two unrelated questions. Remember, Extremis is a biotech enhancement, not cybernetics. I suspect what Tony "fixed" was the overheating problem, essentially. Just because he could take a look at someone else's work and whip up some improvements doesn't mean he could casually reinvent it from scratch.

As for why he didn't innovate in cybernetics, technically, do we know he *hasn't*? Note that prior to perfecting the arc reactor, any mechanical limbs he designed would be somewhat limited in how powerful they could be. So, there could well be a line of Stark Medical prosthetic limbs that make real world artificial limbs look like wooden pegs. They just aren't anything beyond functional replacements.

( Bucky's cyber arm would probably a custom job by Zola, if I had to guess )

 

[ctsketch]

which begs the question, "why hasn't Stark done it?" why didn't he create extremis? in some ways, Tony is really lazy as an inventor. he's been focused almost entirely on that armor of his (exception being his clean energy research).

He's a mechanical engineer

 

[yllum]

Hahahhahha guys..that what the art of WS book states.i dont know how true that is. Does the things in the book reflects the MCU accurately? I like to think so.

It does states very clearly that metal arm is beyond what tony can do at this moment.

 

[sueb1863]

If Stark and Bucky are ever in the same movie, I'll be very interested to see Stark's reaction to him since Bucky killed his parents as the Winter Soldier.

 

[Flint Marko]

If Stark and Bucky are ever in the same movie, I'll be very interested to see Stark's reaction to him since Bucky killed his parents as the Winter Soldier.

Was it bucky that killed his parents? I was under the impression HYDRA simply sabotaged their car to make it crash, but I could be wrong.

 

[Silvermoon]

If Stark and Bucky are ever in the same movie, I'll be very interested to see Stark's reaction to him since Bucky killed his parents as the Winter Soldier.

Was it bucky that killed his parents? I was under the impression HYDRA simply sabotaged their car to make it crash, but I could be wrong.

It's not specifically said in the movie (I've heard though that at a panel or something the writers or directors confirmed that their intention was that WS was behind it?). Personally, I question whether he was. I think I've said it before (either in this thread or the WS thread), WS doesn't really strike me as the type to stage an assassination to look like a car accident (unless that was something HYDRA did after the fact) - he seems to me much more the straight forward killer.

Just my opinion.

 

[Flint Marko]

I agree with you there, staging a car accident is not the winter soldiers style. I'd like to think HYDRA just took care of them on their own, it wouldn't make any sense to involve the winter soldier IMO.

 

[Raiden]

NBC just cancelled Community. Isn't it the show that the Russo Bros. were doing? I guess now they can focus 100% on Cap 3, and hopefully other MCU movies as well.

 

[Raiden]

It's not specifically said in the movie (I've heard though that at a panel or something the writers or directors confirmed that their intention was that WS was behind it?). Personally, I question whether he was. I think I've said it before (either in this thread or the WS thread), WS doesn't really strike me as the type to stage an assassination to look like a car accident (unless that was something HYDRA did after the fact) - he seems to me much more the straight forward killer.

Just my opinion.

Yeah, Hydra was already working alongside Howard Stark in SHIELD (without his knowledge, of course), so staging an "accident" shouldn't be a problem at all. WS is used to get the political figures and other important people that are harder to take down.

 

[sueb1863]

I thought the Russo brothers stated that they were angling it that the Winter Soldier was the one who killed Howard Stark. They said it in an interview somewhere I think...I'll have to see if I can track it down.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I got the impression that Howard Stark started "asking questions" so Hydra sent Winter Soldier after him, and he made it look like an accident.

 

[Minxie]

I thought the Russo brothers stated that they were angling it that the Winter Soldier was the one who killed Howard Stark. They said it in an interview somewhere I think...I'll have to see if I can track it down.

According to this girl they did say that. So at least we know that's what they intended to imply. I suppose that they could always change their minds about it later since it was pretty ambiguous in the movie. Imo it probably won't even come up again unless Whedon/Feige puts Bucky in Avengers 3 and decide to use it as an interesting source of tension between him and Tony (and Steve getting caught in the middle of that naturally).

 

[StarLord]

According to this girl they did say that. So at least we know that's what they intended to imply. I suppose that they could always change their minds about it later since it was pretty ambiguous in the movie. Imo it probably won't even come up again unless Whedon/Feige puts Bucky in Avengers 3 and decide to use it as an interesting source of tension between him and Tony (and Steve getting caught in the middle of that naturally).

You're probably right.

Steve probably knew that Bucky was involved in some nasty happenings but I don't feel that there was a need to bring it up just yet.

 

[The Ironstar]

I just hope Feige will take his time and assemble the right team for Thor 3 before they shoot it; I don't want another TDW, especially after TWS showing how a good movie should be done.

And another thing Thor can learn from Cap's success is to put the focus on the hero, and not the villain or the supporting characters. I like Loki and Hiddleston's performance is terrific, but part of the problem with TDW is that Loki got the arc but Thor didn't, so it felt more like a Loki movie than the Thunder God himself. Cap is supposed to be a character that is less flashy than Thor, but the TWS team knew exactly how to write a story that brings out the best in Steve Rogers. I hope Feige will realize it as the MCU moves forward to Phase 3.

...also don't shy away from MAGIC (I'm talking to y (Loki/Odin!!))

 

[The Ironstar]

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