Captain America

[Spider-Fan]

Why is Matt Damon the only actor who can play this role? You want a short actor who needs to bulk up and is a top actor in movies today? How about Jude Law? I see way more Captain America in Jude Law (facially) He's a better actor and all he needs is 5" of height to Matt's 8"

Heck...even Gwenyth is taller than the both of them.

You talk about Damon as if he's Pacino or Deniro...but he's not that great of an actor. Why pick him and limit your cast's height when there are other options out there...that can make everything much easier? Elijah Wood is a fine actor...why not cast him and bulk him up? I know I'm being a bit of an @ss...but I am just trying to explain how your arguement doesn't make any sense to me. I actually like Matt Damon...but he is totally wrong for this role. Just because he can kick some @ss as Jason Bourne and you've seen him in war movies as a soldier doesn't mean that he can pull off Captain America.

Rage

I am not saying he is the only guy for the role, just the the leaps and bounds best suggestion at this point. Damon would be about what Pacino and DeNiro WERE in the older days at this point in his career(along with DiCaprio). Damon is easily one of the most talented actors of this generation. McConaughey or Lewis would probably be the second best suggestions thus far, but neither of those two are as talented as Damon is.

Like I said before, he can bulk up and be made to look taller. I would gladly give up a few inches to have someone as talented as Damon is in the movie.

 

[Savage]

Something I've come to realize is this is a Marvel movie that can really benefit from a lengthy run-time. I mean one similar to the Hulk. 2 hours and 30 minutes is plenty of time to get in both the WWII and modern day stuff without it seeming rushed.

 

[Cyrusbales]

2 hour movie would work I think, they would have enough time to do both the WW2 and present day, and tie it together nicely, without losing the audience with a long run time, which tends not to help comic book movies lately, hulk and SR are examples(altho i like SR).

I don't think this should be a patriotic movie though, the last thing the world wants is a 'we are great, we are america' movie.

Something where Cap analyses where america has gone wrong since his days would be good, "I may be captain america, but I stand for justice" so he can fight the hypocracy, but a more like ultimate cap would be good, where he is badass, but with a heart of gold still.

If the hwole film is about how good america is, it's worldwide sales will be non existant.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, with this movie obviously getting a worldwide release and all I think the patriotism should be toned down quite a bit so it doesn't isolate the rest of the world.

I don't think the movie should be an hour in WWII and a half hour in the modern world and another half dealing with the threat. Just feels too rushed in my opinion. I'd like for the movie to go into him being a skinny kid from Brooklyn that got picked on all the time and his love for his country and wanting to defend it. Time to introduce Bucky Barnes as his best friend and partner and maybe introduce a love interest from back then. This way there can really be an emphasis on what he lost during all those years. Friends, family, love. And it would make it even more ironic and even painful when the one thing that follows him into the future is the evil he's had to deal with (Red Skull or whoever they decide to go with).

Also I just want Bucky in there with enough time to develop and establish him at least halfway so in a sequel he can be fleshed out some more through flashback and have it be revealed that he didn't really die in the explosion but literally and figuratively blown in the opposite direction that Steve was.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I think we should have two timelines, the WW2 and the present day, and the audience goes through both journeys throughout the film, so it's like 2 films interwoven, where a revelation in the WW2 storyline relates directly to the present day storyline, for example Red Skull.

This is one of the few comic book movies I wouldn't mind directing, and I'm british, go figure!

 

[Savage]

Huh. That sounds pretty awesome. Finding clues in the past.

 

[Cyrusbales]

if you think about it, being frozen for years would leave you a little messed up..... lol

I don't want the whole super high tech shield thing, a gov research centre or something perhaps, nothing too out there, so it keeps the whole thing in current day and grounded in realism, as Cap is one superhero who can't push into surrealism very well

 

[Spider-Fan]

Patriotism needs to play a role in this movie, but I agree that it shouldn't be a very America > everyone else movie. Cap being used to get people into the army out of patriotism is a must, however. There is a fine line to walk in the patriotism area.

If the movie was around 2 hr. 30 min, then I'd say go for both timelines, but I don't want them to intend it that way then do a 1hr 45min - 2hr movie about it. I think you sell one of the timelines short in that fashion (probably the WWII one), where as 1hr - 1hr 15min for each timeline would be appropriate. I think 1hr on WWII at the least is essential. People seem to view WWII as a throw away inconvenience, when it is a central part of Cap's character and understanding him. We can't do this Ultimates style. That would throw away one of the central eras of Cap's history out of the window.

 

[Rage]

I think we should have two timelines, the WW2 and the present day, and the audience goes through both journeys throughout the film, so it's like 2 films interwoven, where a revelation in the WW2 storyline relates directly to the present day storyline, for example Red Skull.

This is one of the few comic book movies I wouldn't mind directing, and I'm british, go figure!

If they were to do it this way...I picture it like Lost. The majority of the action is in the present day, with the flashbacks put in to reinforce the present day storyline. That would work well.

I do think that if you are going to do this movie in the present, you need to start the movie out with an opening sequence like they have in the Ultimates...so you get the exposition of who Cap is from Bucky Barnes as he explains who Cap is to the soldiers on the mission and we see thier scepticism about him...then he proves he is the Shiznit and they are in awe of him...then he sacrafices himself to save America...fade to black as he sinks in the cold Atlantic Ocean...fade to opening title sequence.

He can then wake up in the present and let the movie begin where he finds out that America is not the country that he loved as a younger man...but in the end, he learns to love it again inspite of the changes that have occured.

I am a Canadian and Cap is one of my all-time favourite characters...I would love to write/direct this movie too...it's my dream project.

Rage

 

[Cyrusbales]

I wouldn't say it's my dream project, got lotsa good projects lined up.

Anyhow i didn't mean ultimates as in the whole story line, I just meant with cap being a little less naive and *****, in WW2, a lot of acount of people show a less than 'chipper' side, that some of 616 cap lacks...

 

[Savage]

I just thought of a way to incorporate Bucky as his partner (that way we don't get elderly modern Bucky). This is a bit of a deviation though. Throughout WWII they're great friends out of costume and in costume. Remember Cap's still quite young and naive so he let's Bucky in on his secret. But Cap discovers something going on (the missle) and is sent on this mission solo. Bucky, idolizing the guy, sneaks in to try to help him. When Cap discovers him, he kind of has a "what the hell are you doing here?" attitude but reluctantly allows him to tag along. They team up and the events occur the way you already know it. Bucky's supposed death leaving Cap with guilt not only for letting him tag along but for even letting him in on his secret (quite a harsh lesson about keeping a secret identity).

 

[Rage]

I really liked how sentinel of Liberty handled Bucky. Mix that with the Ultimates version and you have a really decent character. Bucky barns is Radar O'reilly mixed with Rebel without a cause. You need something...he can get if for you. Smokes, pinups, anything that is considered contraban...ole Bucky can get you...if the price is right. But what happens when he discovers Cap's secret identity...he parlees that into getting some grade A front line action (No more clerking or motorpool) via blackmail. He becomes the official photographer for Captain America and finally gets to see some action.

Bucky never wears a costume and gives us our expostion on Captain America through the opening of the movie and in flashbacks.

During Caps final mission, Bucky, (whom Cap thinks is a bit of a weasel) sacrafices himself to save America and attempts to deactivate the missle. He can't deactivate it and it takes off with him attached. Cap is able to to get to the missle and get aboard and tries to save Bucky who is still intent on disarming the missle. The missle blows up throwing Cap into the depths of the Atlantic/Artic Ocean and to the audience and Cap's knowledge...blows up Bucky.

Rage

 

[Savage]

I like everything but Cap thinking Bucky's a weasel. I like them being pals.

 

[Rage]

Hey, my best friend is a weasel...doesn't mean I don't love the guy.

I see Bucky as a kinda used car salesman. He does what ever he needs to do to get whatever he needs. I think of him as "Radar" from M*A*S*H meets "Caretaker" from the longest yard...with just a hint of "Worm" from Rounders...and maybe a touch of Lois Lane (always getting in trouble)

Having Bucky be a goody-two-shoes sidekick just doesn't cut it with me anymore. I loved what they did with him in both the Ultimates and especially in Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty.

Rage

 

[Rage]

I see someone like Joseph Gordon Levitt playing Bucky.

He has a young enough look to play the role while being young enough to pull off the youth of the role...in 2-5 years when this movie is made. Remember that Bucky is in the Army...so he needs to be at least 18. Levitt is 25 right now and still looks 17.

Rage

 

[Brian Braddock]

I simply want Cap not to have rubber ears.

 

[blind_fury]

Bucky is lame. Keep him out of the movies.

 

[Savage]

I don't think he is but even so, can you really pass up the chance of seeing The Winter Soldier in a movie?

 

[Savage]

I see someone like Joseph Gordon Levitt playing Bucky.

He has a young enough look to play the role while being young enough to pull off the youth of the role...in 2-5 years when this movie is made. Remember that Bucky is in the Army...so he needs to be at least 18. Levitt is 25 right now and still looks 17.

Rage

Read my mind, bro.
Another good choice imo is Gregory Smith (yes, the guy from Everwood. I know him for Small Soldiers though). Same age as Levitt and looks way younger too. I was actually suprised to see his real age.

Plus I have an easier time picturing this guy as the Winter Soldier.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I like Bucky a lot, but I think he has more of an impact used as an elderly character. It personifies what Cap has lost. The dead soldiers is effective, but seeing his best friend as an old man would mean more to the movie on an emotional level.

I was never big on the Winter Soldier either.

 

[Rage]

I think that Bucky should die...the guilt in that or the preceived guilt of his death is a major huminzing factor in Captain America's character.

If you like the peer that is elderly...use the love interest (like in the Ultimates)

Rage

 

[Rage]

Read my mind, bro.
Another good choice imo is Gregory Smith (yes, the guy from Everwood. I know him for Small Soldiers though). Same age as Levitt and looks way younger too. I was actually suprised to see his real age.

Plus I have an easier time picturing this guy as the Winter Soldier.

Really? I don't mind this casting choice...but after hearing about Levitt's roles in movies like the Lookout and Brick, I think he has the tough wisecracking aspect of the character. Plus, I hear nothing but rave reviews about his acting since 3rd Rock.

Rage

 

[Savage]

Yeah, I've seen those movies actually and he's great. Just providing an alternative because I always pictured this guy as well.

And yeah, it would be better to have his love interest grow old and even widowed. Bucky is supposed to be to Captain America what Uncle Ben is to Spider-man...I'd say Gwen Stacy but that just seems weird.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Ultimate Bucky idea is one of the few ideas I think was a really good idea for Cap. You could do it for the love interest, but I like using Bukcy for this. I like using him this way more than him getting killed (and again, I was never keen on the whole Winter Soldier thing, so his absences in the movie world doesn't bother me in the least). But, to each his own I guess.

 

[Rage]

I haven't read a Cap comic in years...since John Cassidy was on it (prior to his run on Astonishing X-men)

I never read any of the Winter Soldier storylines..so I don't see Bucky as that character in my mind. So I wouldn't mind him dying or being elderly. The best compromise would be for him to find out that Bucky survived at the end of the first film after spending all that time morning him.

Rage