Chapter 42 - “Villains” – Discussion Thread 11/10/08

[SuperT]

He knew Bob because Bob was using the cover "Regional Manager for Primatech Paper", Sandra made that clear in season two.

And he was on casual terms with Angela back in season one, that was made evident when called to speak with Claire and Angela spoke with him. She made a comment that they gave Claire to him and he did a piss poor job at keeping her safe.

 

[SuperT]

And just to give people some hard numbers since some people like that.

Chandra was killed on September 28th, 2006, Mo was notified of his death that same day in India. He didn't come to New York until October 1st.

 

[Gallagher]

This episode for me was Half-n-half. I liked, nearly even loved, the Petrelli side of things but I really wish they would stop messing with Sylar's origin, that whole side of the story bored me and at times made little sense.

 

[04nbod]

I loved the Sylar/Elle stuff. I still think that Noah was their child and named by Elle rather than Sylar

 

[SatEL]

I hope not. His storyline is done.

The character actually has potential unlike a lot of the boring characters left, they should develop Micah character. The guy has lost two parents, they could take a twist like Micah starts turning bad. He uses his power casually and for his own gain and from there build on things, since they have a hardon for time travel perhaps we could also have a future Micah time travel back in time and kick some ass.

 

[absonic93]

i liked this episode, it was very interesting to learn about the past.

I was like "Oh No!!!" though when Usutu's head was ripped off...

 

[Matt]

The character actually has potential unlike a lot of the boring characters left, they should develop Micah character. The guy has lost two parents, they could take a twist like Micah starts turning bad. He uses his power casually and for his own gain and from there build on things, since they have a hardon for time travel perhaps we could also have a future Micah time travel back in time and kick some ass.

Plus it was definitely implied that Grandma Uhara had powers. I'd like to see more of her.

 

[SuBe]

Yeah, Hiro should have just time traveled instead of had the vision.

I got a question, how did Arthur travel to Africa so fast? I mean, Hiro couldn't have been out for that long, right? Arthur was somewhere in the US (I forget where Pinehearst is), how did he Travel to Africa, that would take at least what? 12 hours?

I'm thinking that Arthur wasn't really there, and he was using Maury's power.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, Hiro should have just time traveled instead of had the vision.

I got a question, how did Arthur travel to Africa so fast? I mean, Hiro couldn't have been out for that long, right? Arthur was somewhere in the US (I forget where Pinehearst is), how did he Travel to Africa, that would take at least what? 12 hours?

I'm thinking that Arthur wasn't really there, and he was using Maury's power.

Arthur stole Peter's powers. Peter's powers included Nathan's flight.

 

[absonic93]

well Arthur absorbed Peter's powers

Peter had absorbed Hiro's powers.

 

[Mikelus]

This episode was the worst of the season so far and had all the problems that are destroying the series: plot holes, lame stories, etc.
No wonder the ratings hit a new low for the series:

Heroes = 7.83 million

Chuck beat Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that might be the only “good news” for NBC (if coming in third can be good news). Heroes fell to a series low and though NBC is declaring it the “new hit” with Christian Slater in “the role everyone is talking about”, My Own Worst Enemy came in last among the big three at 10pm with an anemic 4.25 million and a 1.8/5 among 18-49 year olds.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/1...wins-viewers-comedies-a-big-bang-for-cbs/7898

More of this awful ratings and it's cancellation time, fanboys be ready so when it happens, you don't end "traumatized".

 

[absonic93]

well that's depressing....I love Heroes though, and I don't think it's bad at all. People online are just too critical..

 

[SuperT]

lol @ Cancellation. Other then The Office, Heroes is still the #2 highest rated show on NBC. Their shows all across the board are falling in the ratings.

The only thing that's going to cause Heroes to go away is if they keep up with the budget they have now. They've already taken steps to alieviate that with letting Alexander and Jesse go.
I'm assuming they'll be paring down the cast by Volume 4 as well.

got a question, how did Arthur travel to Africa so fast? I mean, Hiro couldn't have been out for that long, right? Arthur was somewhere in the US (I forget where Pinehearst is), how did he Travel to Africa, that would take at least what? 12 hours?

He took all of Peter's abilities, which includes Hiro's teleportation and Nathan's flight, so he could have used either one to get to Africa.

 

[GL1]

You think Jess and Alexander have a significant impact on the budget? Based on what? How much of the 4 million per episode do you think was going to them? Do you think the new showrunners will make less????

The character actually has potential unlike a lot of the boring characters left, they should develop Micah character. The guy has lost two parents, they could take a twist like Micah starts turning bad. He uses his power casually and for his own gain and from there build on things, since they have a hardon for time travel perhaps we could also have a future Micah time travel back in time and kick some ass.

Check and check. Micah is a character with potential. Unlike Nathan, Tracy, Matt, and others who have had a lot of decent storylines, there's nowhere for them to go. There's a difference between character and storyline. Micah is one storyline away from being awesome.

 

[Matt]

lol @ Cancellation. Other then The Office, Heroes is still the #2 highest rated show on NBC. Their shows all across the board are falling in the ratings.

The only thing that's going to cause Heroes to go away is if they keep up with the budget they have now. They've already taken steps to alieviate that with letting Alexander and Jesse go.
I'm assuming they'll be paring down the cast by Volume 4 as well.



He took all of Peter's abilities, which includes Hiro's teleportation and Nathan's flight, so he could have used either one to get to Africa.

I wouldn't be so sure. Getting rid of 2 minor, one episode characters isn't going to justify the costs of this show. They have a massive ensemble cast and it is a very effect heavy show. If this drops to 6 million, NBC will not be bringing it back for season 4.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Umm, except I watched season one via DVD after I already was a moderator. I didn't watch season one in first run. Nice revisionist history though.

LOL

How about this? Arguments ABOUT Season One, then?

As for your "revisionist history" stuff, I KNOW you weren't a mod when I first called you out for your incessant whining (your username was in blue). Mostly because when I noticed you were a mod, my first thought was: "WHY?"

Here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13163768#post13163768

OMG!!! Someone call the WAAAAAAAHHHMBULANCE!

Dude. It's not the "heroes-fans" that are being "fickle" around here. YOU'RE the one who keeps whining about "story-pacing" or some such crap, that takes away from YOUR enjoyment of it.

Too flipping bad for you, yes, but you don't have to get all uppity and upset when someone disagrees with you, which happens to be a large majority of the posters in the SHH Heroes forum.

Like I said, wait for the eff-ing DVD to come out, so you can fast-forward to what makes YOU enjoy the show. All of your whining about the show and those of us who actually enjoy it exactly as it is won't change a thing, except keep making you look like a whiny female dog.

YOU chose not to watch the 1st season at all, until the DVD came out. YOU only started following the show after you watched a whole first season almost all at once, which allowed you see the story unfold at a much faster pace. Now, you're whining about the pace. See how someone can perceive that as a bit "spoiled-brat-ish"?

PLEASE get the DVD if/when it comes out, and stay out of here with your whiny ways.

That's ^ dated: 11-04-2007, 07:42 PM

And this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290068

Hello Video Gamers,

As I'm sure you know I am the new global moderator, and if you have read the forum announcement, I am going to be paying special attention to this forum for the time being. Why? Because the video game forum is pretty unique on the Hype. It is kind of a lawless wasteland where moderators dare not enter. Well, that ends today. This thread is the starting point. I've created it for two reasons:

1) To really specify what needs done in the video games forum. To take your comments and ideas. This place is kind of a mess, and I am going to need help cleaning it up, so any ideas or thoughts you would like to throw at me can be posted here (or PMed to me, if you prefer).

2) To clarify any questions you may have on the rules of the Hype. This place seems to have been pretty exempt from the rules for the past couple years and that has got to end. If you have any questions about what the rules are you can ask them and I will clarify. But the constant flaming, baiting, and trolling over a piece of metal and wires is going to end. There is nothing wrong with debate, but insulting another Hypster in the process is unacceptable.

I know this forum can be cleaned up and I look forward to working with you guys to do it and turning the video games forum into the premiere forum on the Hype

...is dated: 11-30-2007, 01:25 PM

 

[SuperT]

You guys are too busy looking at ratings overall and not looking at where the money actually comes from. It doesn't come from those, its comes from the 18-34 demo, the demographic that advertisers (yes we love that shiz) are grabbing up. It's beating out everything else, that's where the money comes in.

We as advertisers like to advertise during the shows that are drawing the crowd that buys those products, that's the 18-34 crowd and right now Heroes is bringing those in on a consistant basis. It's a 3.9, which is totally lower then it should, but the only thing closer to it is Dancing with the Hasbeens which is grabbing a 3.0.

Look, I'm not making excuses, the ratings are not good, I'm putting things in to perspective. Is Heroes tanking in the ratings? Yes. Will it be getting cancelled anytime soon with all information we have? No.

We still have a lot to go people, calm the hell down. lol

 

[SuBe]

lol @ Cancellation. Other then The Office, Heroes is still the #2 highest rated show on NBC. Their shows all across the board are falling in the ratings.

The only thing that's going to cause Heroes to go away is if they keep up with the budget they have now. They've already taken steps to alieviate that with letting Alexander and Jesse go.
I'm assuming they'll be paring down the cast by Volume 4 as well.



He took all of Peter's abilities, which includes Hiro's teleportation and Nathan's flight, so he could have used either one to get to Africa.

I forgot about that. Damn.

 

[carrrnuttt]

You guys are too busy looking at ratings overall and not looking at where the money actually comes from. It doesn't come from those, its comes from the 18-34 demo, the demographic that advertisers (yes we love that shiz) are grabbing up. It's beating out everything else, that's where the money comes in.

We as advertisers like to advertise during the shows that are drawing the crowd that buys those products, that's the 18-34 crowd and right now Heroes is bringing those in on a consistant basis. It's a 3.9, which is totally lower then it should, but the only thing closer to it is Dancing with the Hasbeens which is grabbing a 3.0.

Look, I'm not making excuses, the ratings are not good, I'm putting things in to perspective. Is Heroes tanking in the ratings? Yes. Will it be getting cancelled anytime soon with all information we have? No.

We still have a lot to go people, calm the hell down. lol

Don't forget that Heroes also has a major tv share of some large-market foreign countries/areas, such as Australia, the UK, Hong Kong, and even Japan.

 

[Star]

I'm pretty sure that Matt was un-modded for awhile as a joke once, or part of a game or something. That was probably when you saw him blue. I'm fairly sure he's been a mod for ages.

Why is this being debated...?

 

[The Apocalypse]

LOL

How about this? Arguments ABOUT Season One, then?

As for your "revisionist history" stuff, I KNOW you weren't a mod when I first called you out for your incessant whining (your username was in blue). Mostly because when I noticed you were a mod, my first thought was: "WHY?"

Here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13163768#post13163768



That's ^ dated: 11-04-2007, 07:42 PM

And this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290068



...is dated: 11-30-2007, 01:25 PM

HAHA you went back to look for his posts. That's sad.

 

[Star]

That's devotion :heart:

 

[Jennifer Walters]

That's great. And I won't say why. :heart:

 

[carrrnuttt]

HAHA you went back to look for his posts. That's sad.

"Sad" or not, it's fairly simple when you know what parameters to search for, and the context they're in. I knew what I was talking about and he didn't. There's no shame in proving that, especially when it's so easy to do.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Plus it was definitely implied that Grandma Uhara had powers. I'd like to see more of her.

So would I. They totally need to bring Micah back. Shoot, have the Company take him in and start training him. But getting rid of the Hawkins/Sanders family all together is just sad.