Contest Of Marvels II Discussion Thread

[Phaedrus45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four

Not too many good F4 sites. At least one can always depend upon Wikipedia.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Fantastic Four

Keep:


Agatha Harkness
Annihilus
Blastaar
Devlor
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Huntara
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Mole Man
Nathaniel Richards
Ox
Puppet Master
Psycho Man
Ring Leader
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard

Drop:

Blackbolt - too uber; he beat the snot out of Kid Omega, after all.
Diablo - Already on Avengers list
Franklin Richards - Either too uber or too weak, depending on version. His future version would be alright, though.
Kristoff Vernhard - Too little information, other than he's same as Doom. I say drop him.
Malice - Already discussed that she should probably be dropped.
Molecule Man - Too uber. (And, Forge shouldn't have been able to beat him last season!)
Vibraxas - Too little information about him.

Potential:

Triton - Member of Inhumans.
Mad Thinker
Red Ghost (& his super apes?)

 

[Phaedrus45]

If we have Mole Man be in this, we need a better determination of what he's allowed to do. Can he summon any creature to assist him? It's why I included the Red Ghost. With his apes, he'd be kind of neat, like Falcon and Redwing...but, without them, I say leave him off of the potential list.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'd say Franklin's out too. As well as Molecule Man (Forge could beat him any day of the week, twice on Sundays with prep-time). I'd say take Malice out too. With her it's pretty much an automatic win or loss, not much battle.

I'd put Nathaniel on the bubble just because it's so hard to pin down what his character can do.

Blackbolt's a hard one. It would just be...wrong...not to have him. But his voice makes him so dangerous. For me, his saving grace is his unwillingness to use his voice.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Fantastic Four

Keep:


Agatha Harkness
Annihilus
Blastaar
Devlor
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Huntara
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad What can this guy do? Does he have any powers?
Medusa
Mole Man I'm thinking we should just take him out. Seems wierd that he can just bring a bunch of ugly things, some even the size of buildings. If we take that away then he's just a short ugly man
Nathaniel Richards Not sure on him yet.
Ox Strong guy, anything else going for him? Does he have a chance at all?
Puppet Master
Psycho Man I don't remember much on him but I remember him being powerful. Potentially too uber?
Ring Leader I say take him out. He has a hyptno hat
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard

Drop:

Blackbolt - too uber; he beat the snot out of Kid Omega, after all.
Diablo - Already on Avengers list
Franklin Richards - Either too uber or too weak, depending on version. His future version would be alright, though. His future version is called Psi-Lord I believe
Kristoff Vernhard - Too little information, other than he's same as Doom. I say drop him.
Malice - Already discussed that she should probably be dropped.
Molecule Man - Too uber. (And, Forge shouldn't have been able to beat him last season!)
Vibraxas - Too little information about him. He's been around quite a bit. He was in the Fantastic Force series, plus a regular guest star in the Fantastic Four at that time. He also showed up quite a bit in Priest's Black Panther series. He's basically a light version of Avalance I believe.

Potential:

Triton - Member of Inhumans. What can he do?
Mad Thinker What can he do?
Red Ghost (& his super apes?)

See above

 

[Phaedrus45]

Maximus actually is pretty good character to have. As Powder can attest, we learned quite a bit about him last season.

I agree with dropping Mole Man. Alone, he's pretty weak. And, it's too iffy in determining who'd he be able to bring into a fight.

Thinking about it, Ox is just a strong guy. He's more of a team player than anything else. I will move him to my drop section.

I don't find Psycho Man so uber powerful. His powers come from manipulating people's emotions. Some characters are familiar enough with him to be able to counter it, in my opion.

Ring Leader - I'm on the fence with him. Some characters, he's be able to take out with the hat. But, you have a point. He's more about surprising a person and having them under his control.

Psi-Lord could be put under potentials, I think. I don't think he's too uber; but, I'll have to look him up.

The other characters will have information about when I get home. Work is done.

 

[POWdER-man]

Fantastic Four

Keep:

Agatha Harkness
Annihilus
Blastaar
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad(He's good enough to have around and I think even made it to the 4th round, The only problem is his inconsistencies)
Medusa
Nathaniel Richards
Puppet Master
Psycho Man (He is pretty powerful, but not too uber)
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard

Drop:

Blackbolt - too uber; he beat the snot out of Kid Omega, after all. ( )
Devlor
Diablo (double entry)
Franklin Richards -
Huntara
Kristoff Vernhard -
Malice -
Molecule Man -
Vibraxas
Mole Man(Without his minions he wouldn't be a good character)
Ox (Big dumb Ox no thanks)
Ring Leader (I say drop)

Potential:

Mad Thinker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Thinker (good enough character)
Red Ghost (& his super apes?)
Impossible Man
Psi-Lord

 

[Phaedrus45]

Yeah, scratch Triton. He couldn't survive outside of water.

I despise Impossible Man so much. But, I guess I can get over my hatred to see him listed in potentials.

 

[POWdER-man]

Giving this a bump since JH didn't really vote and only added some comments....or maybe they were his votes. Anyways, let me know.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Updated List for me:

Fantastic Four

Keep:


Agatha Harkness
Annihilus
Blastaar
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Puppet Master
Psycho Man
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard

Drop:

Blackbolt
Devlor - Too little information available for Fantastic Force members
Diablo
Franklin Richards
Huntara - Again, too little info for Fantastic Force members
Kristoff Vernhard
Malice
Molecule Man
Ox
Vibraxas

Potential:

Mad Thinker
Red Ghost (& his super apes?) - Want a decision if he's allowed to have his Super Apes in the battle. If not, take him off potential list.


On The Fence:

Nathaniel Richards - Information was a problem last season for Powder, even though he went pretty far.
Ring Leader - If he got the jump on someone, he could win. But, would prep time take him out? Of course, people have to see what they are hitting.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Wow. We're going to have more spots open than I was expecting. This has been a great way to discuss the characters, Powder.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Aw, you're getting rid of Diablo? He's so versatile and badass.

 

[POWdER-man]

I updated my list and added a few changes. I think Nathaniel is a good enough character to have. His technological and information resources were good enough to get him far enough in the tournament. He would never win the tournament but so won't a lot of other characters.

 

[POWdER-man]

Aw, you're getting rid of Diablo? He's so versatile and badass.

Actually he is and that's why he is already in our list under Avengers, it was just entered twice...

 

[Trigger]

Do I get to vote too?
Fantastic Four

Keep:
Blastaar
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Psycho Man
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard
Kristoff

Drop:

Devlor - I agree about the information problems.
Franklin Richards- Too powerful
Molecule Man- He could end up being like Forge; a character who becomes ultra powerful with prep time
Vibraxas

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Actually he is and that's why he is already in our list under Avengers, it was just entered twice...

Ah, ok. Missed him on your Avengers list, obviously. My bad.

 

[POWdER-man]

Do I get to vote too?
Fantastic Four

Keep:
Blastaar
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Psycho Man
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Wizard
Kristoff

Drop:

Devlor - I agree about the information problems.
Franklin Richards- Too powerful
Molecule Man- He could end up being like Forge; a character who becomes ultra powerful with prep time
Vibraxas

YES! Feel free to vote for keeping, dropping and adding potential characters.

It's more easier though when you have a complete list. I see you're missuing some characters...

 

[POWdER-man]

Ah, ok. Missed him on your Avengers list, obviously. My bad.

No worries, I might have missed it too if Phaed didn't point it out...

 

[Phaedrus45]

Doing research on Psi-Lord, and I cannot find a good bio on him. If anyone can find anything, that would help with deciding if he should be a potential. Otherwise, without a bio, I say we drop him from the list.

 

[POWdER-man]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi-Lord

Yeah not much...

 

[Phaedrus45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi-Lord

Yeah not much...

Just what I thought. Ok, I took him off my list.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Sorry guys, had to go to work 3rd shift and sleep in the morning.

My Official List:

Keep:

Agatha Harkness
Annihilus
Blastaar
Devlor
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyal
Hatemonger
Human Torch
Huntara
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Nathaniel Richards
Puppet Master
Psycho Man
Ronan the Accuser
Super Skrull
Thing
Trapster
Vibraxas
Wizard

Drop:

Blackbolt
Diablo
Franklin Richards
Kristoff Vernhard
Malice
Molecule Man
Mole Man
Ox
Ring Leader

Potentials:

Mad Thinker
Red Ghost (With Super Apes)

 

[POWdER-man]

Fantastic Four

Keep:

91.Agatha Harkness
92.Annihilus
93.Blastaar
94.Devos the Devestator
95.Doctor Doom
96Dragon Man
97.Frankie Raye
98.Mr. Fantastic
99.Gorgon
100.Grey Gargoyal
101.Hatemonger
102.Human Torch
103.Huntara
104.Invisible Woman
105.Karnak
106.Lyja Lazerfist
107.Maximus the Mad
108.Medusa
109.Nathaniel Richards
110.Puppet Master
111.Psycho Man
112.Ronan the Accuser
113.Super Skrull
114.Thing
115.Trapster
116.Vibraxas
117.Wizard

Drop:

21.Blackbolt
22.Devlor
23.Diablo
24.Franklin Richards
25.Kristoff Vernhard
26.Malice
27.Molecule Man
28.Ox
29.Vibraxas

Potential:

28.Mad Thinker
29.Red Ghost (& his super apes)
Unfotunately there wasn't enough to eliminate the following three
30.Ring Leader
31.Huntara
32.Mole Man

 

[POWdER-man]

Wow. We're going to have more spots open than I was expecting. This has been a great way to discuss the characters, Powder.

Yeah it is working well we are definitely opening enough to get some new characters in. Moving on to the next section Hulk I believe...

 

[wiegeabo]

Dropping Blackbolt?

I guess I can sort of see it, with his voice and everything. But he's got powers beyond his voice. And he really isn't that willing to use his vocal attack for fear of the damage it may cause. And while that isn't as much of a problem on most battlefields, some of our fights take place in populated areas. And that's really going to help keep Blackbolt's voice in check.