BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - Part 37

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I hope I don't incite a massive flame war for asking this but why is it that the Dc forums are so heavily populated and the marvel ones arent? The Avengers 2 forum is dead silent compared to this one for example.

The MCU is spread out across four or five different threads at any given time. The population follows whatever news is happening at the moment. For instance, the GotG thread jumped five or six pages in just a couple days recently with the trailer release. Before that, Cap's thread was hopping. Before that it was AoU.

The DCU is mostly just this movie for now, so all the population is concentrated.
 
I think it will be for Cyborg remember that game Snyder filmed in December?
 
I think it will be for Cyborg remember that game Snyder filmed in December?
I don't remember much from it other than Gotham's defeat (?). Was there a player who got injured?
 
John Jones is the secret identity of Jon Jonnz of Mars and it always has been seen as a black guy in the comics.







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That's from the Smallville comic. He isn't always depicted as a Black guy.
 
The MCU is spread out across four or five different threads at any given time. The population follows whatever news is happening at the moment. For instance, the GotG thread jumped five or six pages in just a couple days recently with the trailer release. Before that, Cap's thread was hopping. Before that it was AoU.

The DCU is mostly just this movie for now, so all the population is concentrated.

This is true.

Added to that is the phenomena of people talking about movies on their way in vs on their way out in terms of pending releases. But as Crimson said, the marvel crowd moves around sections together, the dcu crowd only really have one place to congragate for the time being.
 
Man, DC is doing an all-out assault on television.

CW - Arrow
CW- The Flash
FOX - Gotham
NBC - Constantine

Like, it's CRAZY awesome. I can't wait.

Not to mention the other potentials that are being rumored from CW like the Hourman show and possibly a live action Young justice.

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/cw-allegedly-working-on-live-action-young-justice-/1100-147665/

And iZombie on the CW (though it's Vertigo). A potentially good female-lead series since Rob Thomas is at the helm (Veronica Mars). :awesome:


How frickin incredible would it be if they announced they were all gonna be in the same universe?

Yeah, they're would be some time differences, with when each takes place, but it would be really cool nonetheless.
 
I don't see much need in connecting any of those shows outside of marketing.
 
How frickin incredible would it be if they announced they were all gonna be in the same universe?

Yeah, they're would be some time differences, with when each takes place, but it would be really cool nonetheless.

If they weren't doing Flash, I'd have liked to have seen all of Warner Bros DC productions in an interconnected universe. Arrow exploring to small scale villains, Gotham doing Batman's origin, Constantine doing the supernatural side, Young Justice showing what's happened since Dick/Tim left Batman's side. And at the same time, the films explore the biggest events with Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman.
 
How frickin incredible would it be if they announced they were all gonna be in the same universe?

Yeah, they're would be some time differences, with when each takes place, but it would be really cool nonetheless.
The ones that should be in the same universe are Hourman, Young Justice, Arrow and Flash. Aside from that, there's not much of a benefit of connecting them.

But with Hourman, you can connect that concept, and the JSA to Arrow's universe. With Young Justice, you can connect Roy Harper from Arrow
 
This shared universe thing....
You would think movies and TV didn't exist before it, and do well for itself.

No one ever wants to get into the downside of universe sharing. Except maybe j michael straczynski
 
They can all do well for themselves. But a richer tapestry of storytelling is a richer tapestry of storytelling. Little nods to them being shared add a lot of enjoyment, like in Tarantino's films.
 
Try to keep the thread on track.

Since no one read this post last night, let me try again....

This is not a lounge for spamming....keep the excessive gifs and pics out of here....stay on subject.
 
They can all do well for themselves. But a richer tapestry of storytelling is a richer tapestry of storytelling. Little nods to them being shared add a lot of enjoyment, like in Tarantino's films.

Tarantino films would be just as rad without such things. This 'enjoyment' seems entirely superficial but with a high cost at times.

I personally think when they fully go for shared universes in comics, it creates massive limitations to stories. The amount of relevant heroes that reside in new york in the marvel universe yet still...It asks something special of the audience to fully appreciate what's going on in IM3 without questioning everything.
TDKR wouldn't work.

What's more you can still hint at other characters existing without having it literally tie them together. Like when Martha mention's "that nut in gotham", enjoyment attained.

That being said I look forward to Arrow. Yet still, I much preferred that show when it was one man against the world.
 
Tarantino films would be just as rad without such things. This 'enjoyment' seems entirely superficial but with a high cost at times.

I personally think when they fully go for shared universes in comics, it creates massive limitations to stories. The amount of relevant heroes that reside in new york in the marvel universe yet still...It asks something special of the audience to fully appreciate what's going on in IM3 without questioning everything.
TDKR wouldn't work.

What's more you can still hint at other characters existing without having it literally tie them together. Like when Martha mention's "that nut in gotham", enjoyment attained.

That being said I look forward to Arrow. Yet still, I much preferred that show when it was one man against the world.
Not really. If anything, being on their own limits story-telling potential because they end up doing the same things over and over and fighting the same threats/villains over and over. It makes you're world smaller, whereas a shared universe allows you to bring in new characters and have your protagonist deal with different situations. And most people DID watch IM 3 without obsessively questioning where the other heroes where. It's only a small minority that made any kind of deal about that.
 
Tarantino films would be just as rad without such things. This 'enjoyment' seems entirely superficial but with a high cost at times.

I'm not saying they'd be worse in terms of their content. But that little something added, is a little something added. Knowing there's a singular timeline, films that are films within that timeline are cool little nods.

I personally think when they fully go for shared universes in comics, it creates massive limitations to stories. The amount of relevant heroes that reside in new york in the marvel universe yet still...It asks something special of the audience to fully appreciate what's going on in IM3 without questioning everything.
TDKR wouldn't work.

But The Dark Knight Rises was especially written in a world where no heroes exist. They could go as far as they liked. Avengers and characters own films explained where people would be in Iron Man 3.

What's more you can still hint at other characters existing without having it literally tie them together. Like when Martha mention's "that nut in gotham", enjoyment attained.

There you go, that's the sort of thing I'd want, but cameos also don't hurt, I think they can be advantageous. If you're acknowledging those characters exist, why not show tease them a little? Especially established versions.

For example, let's say the Young Justice series goes ahead. Say you've got Robin/Nightwing, Superboy, Tempest. They can't exist without their parent characters, so no matter what, they're in a shared world. Why not share it with the current Superman/Batman?

That being said I look forward to Arrow. Yet still, I much preferred that show when it was one man against the world.

I much preferred it before they started bringing Ra's in to it. I really hope they go no further than Nyssa.
 
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I'm not saying they'd be worse in terms of their content. But that little something added, is a little something added. Knowing there's a singular timeline, films that are films within that timeline are cool little nods.
Meh, if I found out Terminator and Matrix are infact in the same universe, I'd smile but that would be about it. I suppose I can only speak for myself though.

But The Dark Knight Rises was especially written in a world where no heroes exist. They could go as far as they liked. Avengers and characters own films explained where people would be in Iron Man 3.
I doubt avengers will go so far as to explain anything, that's not their style. As long as they keep winking at us, no one really complains..nolan doesn't wink though ergo it would just fall apart. End of the world scenario in the UK during thor and no not even one word from the organization that's all about saving the world from such things? Of all times not to feature Coulson.

And that's my point, Nolan was free to tell that story because Superman, Flash and GL weren't in the next city over watching national news. How else could you remove a cities big hero from the chessboard for months and hold a city hostage on the world stage.
What's the price of Freedom I wonder.

Cool thing about BvS is that you can have this, "starting of" story. One in which heroes aren't around to stop zod but the are born out of it..Things get funky from there though.

Why not share it with the current Superman/Batman?
I don't have a problem with what superman/batman looks to be doing. I simply don't think other approaches(such as what's going on in DC tv) need to be constantly berated for doing their own thing. True Detective and The Wire and Breaking Bad are great on their own, without someone chiming in that they should be doing what marvel....etc. Same with movies. I feel like if tmr, DC said they won't be tying anything else together, it would somehow be seen as a 'fail' in this new world. That's my issue. This new standard of measuring 'quality' when it comes to this material.

I much preferred it before they started bringing Ra's in to it. I really hope they go no further than Nyssa.
I preferred it when it was just him and that big bag and he even had to keep his purpose from his driver. Now it's more and more scooby bunch with people like diggle sitting in the club house often doing nothing. I like that he is now surrounded by targets I guess but I still prefer the tension of the early eps.
 
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As much as I do love shared continuity it really is limiting in some ways. The reason why is because when your dealing with shared continuity the story your telling HAS to fit within the universe that other creators have already established. Your story is restricted by the events that preceded it and you have to be careful not to contradict anything (ala X-Men First Class).

So in some ways, having separate continuity entities is more liberating in that you can just tell the story you want without stepping on other people's toes and contradicting prior events.

Just sayin' is all. :)
 
As much as I do love shared continuity it really is limiting in some ways. The reason why is because when your dealing with shared continuity the story your telling HAS to fit within the universe that other creators have already established. Your story is restricted by the events that preceded it and you have to be careful not to contradict anything (ala X-Men First Class).

So in some ways, having separate continuity entities is more liberating in that you can just tell the story you want without stepping on other people's toes and contradicting prior events.

Just sayin' is all. :)

This is how I feel as well. I mean, it worked for Marvel which is fine but the story or stories are what really matter and that's the reason why audiences embraced the marvel films. Then again as often in fandom and in business, if one way works and is a success then suddenly everything should only be done that way. The same thing happened after TDK was released, and it became, " Every hero film should follow the Nolan model" now after Avengers its" We all have to build to team up films and shared universes".
 
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