Dark Knight Rises vs Iron Man 3: Which Movie Inspired the Worse Fan Backlash?

[Anno_Domini]

He may know how to write Tony Stark, and I have no problem with Stark's role until the last five minutes of the film, but everything else...Black just destroyed, imo.

 

[marcvader]

To be honest IM as a superhero has never appealed to me so I'm not a bleeding heart for keeping to his source material. The changes made in the movie worked for me and most people that I know that saw the movie. Mind you those people aren't comic book readers. Would I have liked to see the Mandarin in his full glory, rings and all, sure but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. Now liberties like this taken to Cap and Thor? Fugetaboutit!

 

[Steamteck]

The main reason for the backlash against IM3 for the twist isn't simply due to the fact that the Mandarin has now become the measuring stick to which all drastic deviations from the comic book source material will be measured against...

...it's the fact that it came from a production company that prided, to the point of bragging/boasting, about how important the source material is and how they "believed" in it, painting them as major hypocrites.

That's how I feel. The were the ones finally trusting in their source material and it was making them a tons of money then they just throw that all away. I very eagerly waited for the next marvel movie knowing they really "got it" and I could count on them. Now my enthusiasm is curbed. will I go see Thor, Cap and Avengers yep. Guardians of the Galaxy..maybe for Gamera and Thanos. Otherwise unless it a character I love . I'll wait for feedback and Iron Man I'll definitely wait.

In fact , I'm now apprehensive about Shane Black's upcoming take on another of my big favorites , Doc Savage.

So for me. Iron Man 3 has a huge effect on my perception of Marvel studios.

 

[Steamteck]

Shane Black actually helped out with Iron Man and Iron Man 2 though. A lot of his ideas and writing are in their. He certainly knew how to write Tony Stark.

His track record as far as filmmaking and writing ain't so bad either. I had no idea he was in Predator, holding a DC comic no less! Great thing about movies is that you learn something new all the time.

I was very excited when I heard Shane Black was writing IM3. It explains in part why my disappointment is so bitter about what I feel are its failures. The other factor is Marvel's first real thumbing their noses at their source material and not having faith in it

 

[metaphysician]

I still find it hilarious that people accuse Marvel Studios of doing everything "safe."

 

[Visualiza]

I still find it hilarious that people accuse Marvel Studios of doing everything "safe."

You said it. It's becoming the popular platitude; everyone repeats it without giving it any thought.

 

[BlackFox]

Make a joke out of your characters main bad guy is not a great way to go. A Superhero film is only as good as its villain and IM3 dropped the ball badly on that front. TDKR at least had Bane who was great.

IM3 was a bit of a let down.

 

[metaphysician]

Make a joke out of your characters main bad guy is not a great way to go.

Well, its a good thing Iron Man 3 didn't do that. Killian was anything but a joke.

 

[Hammer!]

People seriously wanted to see Kingsley in a final battle as the Mandarin? That would have been ridiculous. Tony would have kicked the s*** out of him right away.

 

[Xeno]

To be honest IM as a superhero has never appealed to me so I'm not a bleeding heart for keeping to his source material. The changes made in the movie worked for me and most people that I know that saw the movie. Mind you those people aren't comic book readers. Would I have liked to see the Mandarin in his full glory, rings and all, sure but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. Now liberties like this taken to Cap and Thor? Fugetaboutit!

I have a different perspective on it. Although I've been an Iron Man fan for many years and at one time amassed a collection that spanned from the 1960s through the 90s, I didn't have a problem with IM3's handling of the Mandarin. When I was a kid I would read the early appearances of the Mandarin and wince at the stereotypical and frankly insulting way he was portrayed. By the mid-60s it had become unacceptable to treat Black characters in such a manner, but Asians and some other ethnic groups remained fair game for quite a while. The racist aspects of the character upset me, although he wasn't nearly as awful as the Yellow Claw and a few others. Many fans have argued that the Mandarin has changed over the years, but for me the he will always be tainted by his history.


For this reason I am perfectly happy with how Shane Black and Drew Pearce adapted the Mandarin for the film. By completely eschewing every bit of Mandarin's comic book persona they managed to break the association with his controversial past. The Mandarin they gave us was actually a far more credible and dangerous adversary than his comic book counterpart, without the dreadful baggage.


Lost in all of the faux-rage over the "twist" is the fact that Killian/Mandarin was Iron Man's most powerful movie foe. Killian's powers and those of his Extremis soldiers were very faithful to the way Extremis was portrayed in the comics, right down to the fire-breathing that a few people objected to. In action against Iron Man, the Extremis-fueled villains proved to be the nastiest, most dangerous opponents that any Marvel hero has faced in a solo film. Killian and his soldiers were so powerful that objections that they weren't good adversaries are laughable. They were exploding like time bombs, vaporizing human beings, generating enough heat to melt metal and slicing through armor like it was tissue paper. That was far more effective than magic rings or a terrorist organization, or even another guy in armor.

 

[Human Torch]

People seriously wanted to see Kingsley in a final battle as the Mandarin? That would have been ridiculous. Tony would have kicked the s*** out of him right away.

Not if he had his Riiiiiings!

 

[BlackFox]

Well, its a good thing Iron Man 3 didn't do that. Killian was anything but a joke.

Yeah he was ok, but nothing that special but the Mandarin "twist" seemed to anger a lot of Ironman fans it appears.

 

[DACrowe]

I just wanted to post this comparison of trilogies:

Watch the "Ultimate" Dark Knight Trilogy Trailer:



Then watch the one for the Iron Man Trilogy:



It is not even close.

 

[Hammer!]

Yeah he was ok, but nothing that special but the Mandarin "twist" seemed to anger a lot of Ironman fans it appears.

For some reason it upset almost every DC-fanboy.

 

[NosfeRomas]

lol, no most dc fanboys enjoyed im3. as a dc fanboy i had no reason not to, i don't care about the characters i just want to watch a well made entertaining movie and i did for the most part. As a DC fanboy i didn't mind the Mandarin twist, i enjoyed it. I was bothered by the kid sidekick and the faux-trauma of Tony's.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Make a joke out of your characters main bad guy is not a great way to go. A Superhero film is only as good as its villain and IM3 dropped the ball badly on that front. TDKR at least had Bane who was great.

IM3 was a bit of a let down.

It's always a shame when a trilogy or a serious of films only spits out ONE great film. That notion needs to go, and I hope Whedon gives us three extraordinary films with Avengers.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It's always a shame when a trilogy or a serious of films...

Funny typo.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Haha.

Series*

 

[BlackFox]

For some reason it upset almost every DC-fanboy.

Strange I thought Iron Man fans would be the most upset, but hey.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I think TDKR had more nitpickers with fans who were scrutinizing from the various plot holes, to Bane's voice, to Batman having little screentime, and the ambiguous ending with Blake a possible successor to don the cowl.

With Iron Man 3 I hear most complaints with how Mandarin was handled.

 

[BlackFox]

lol, no most dc fanboys enjoyed im3. as a dc fanboy i had no reason not to, i don't care about the characters i just want to watch a well made entertaining movie and i did for the most part. As a DC fanboy i didn't mind the Mandarin twist, i enjoyed it. I was bothered by the kid sidekick and the faux-trauma of Tony's.

and what they did to WarMachine

 

[Clerk]

Probably Iron Man 3. While most of the choices in TDKR rustled me and other fans hard (hey I just met you, and this is crazy, but here's my batcave), at least they didnt reduce a major villain to a poop joke.

 

[kane9321]

the Mandarin twist was just terrible in everyway possible...But then at the end of "rises"..when the name "robin" was revealed..you actually heard loud groans in my theatre.

 

[James]

I liked Iron Man 3 a lot and thought TDKR was stink on toast, but as far as fandom goes, Iron Man 3 got far more hate.

 

[spider-neil]

the Mandarin twist was just terrible in everyway possible...But then at the end of "rises"..when the name "robin" was revealed..you actually heard loud groans in my theatre.

You had to roll your eyes at the Robin 'reveal' but you are talking about a throwaway line in TDKR as apposed to a throwaway PLOT in IM 3.