Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

[Primal Slayer]

I dont think it's network interfering as much it may by GB. He is the reason why they brought in a new Canary while MG wanted Arrow to be free of that comic influence. Or maybe MG guininally became interested in exploring Siren further. He seemed more interested in her then he ever did Laurel.

Though it has been funny to see how messy they've been this year, first with KC being gone them "series regular across all shows" to "oops, that contract is done aftee 5x10 and we play it by ear now" to being a real series regular again. It'll be interesting to see if she survives into season 7since all of this only makes them look worse with the constant back and forth.

Hopefully Siren gets the Faith treatment as far as redemption and is actually utilized to her potential. Im already getting ahead of myself in hoping she's in the 4way crossover with something to do but i doubt that part.

 

[Slade W]

I dont think it's network interfering as much it may by GB. He is the reason why they brought in a new Canary while MG wanted Arrow to be free of that comic influence. Or maybe MG guininally became interested in exploring Siren further. He seemed more interested in her then he ever did Laurel.

Though it has been funny to see how messy they've been this year, first with KC being gone them "series regular across all shows" to "oops, that contract is done aftee 5x10 and we play it by ear now" to being a real series regular again. It'll be interesting to see if she survives into season 7since all of this only makes them look worse with the constant back and forth.

Hopefully Siren gets the Faith treatment as far as redemption and is actually utilized to her potential. Im already getting ahead of myself in hoping she's in the 4way crossover with something to do but i doubt that part.

ATM, this is what I think it is. I don't think it was Berlanti because he allowed her to have been killed off in the first place or and it was him who wanted a new Canary to have been introduced.

 

[Loki882]

Also they kept going on and on and on and on for YEARS about how Laurel becoming BC was always the big plan. That everything else, including Sara, was to service that arc. Yet when it finally happened, she was just kind of there most of the time, and then they killed her off unceremoniously just because of a cheap mystery plot and because someone needed to be in that grave. Oh and they wanted to do a new BC.

Frankly, I don't really trust ANYTHING that they say at this point.

 

[batdude]

We do know that Katie Cassidy was chosen by the CW as the female lead, not really by the producers.
We have some very strong evidences that Marc didn't get along too well with her.
They were pretty clear that the death on S4 was going to be permanent.
They said they didn't have any stories left to tell with her character.
They brought Black Siren back only to remind us that Laurel was gone for real and to introduce the new Black Canary (I mean, the episode ends with her being sent away and a new tough girl with a canary cry being introduced)

After her death on S4, the ratings dropped a good amount (I don't believe it was only because of her death that ppl turned away, but it kind was the last drop to make ppl leave)
I'm not watching S5, but from what I read, Arrow's been back to being good, but even so, the ratings haven't recovered yet
Black Siren got a good reception from what I read online

That's why, in my opinion, some higher up told them to bring her back, because I don't believe at all that Marc (who didn't even bother to tell Katie that Sara Lance was being introduced on the show as the Canary, didn't really bother to tell Katie in advance that Laurel was in the grave and stated a lot of times that her character was dead for good) would have a sudden change of heart. But again, that's why I think, and even if it's true, we know they will say something like "it was the plan all along".

PS but I'm happy with this

Well, I think that is pretty accurate. Look, I think She should come back, but also I think that it's for ratings.(You do this or we will replace you with Black Lightning)

 

[SpideyVille]

Yeah I'm kinda mixed. I completely tuned out after she died and only followed the first few episodes of this season before going away for good (mostly because of superhero fatigue).

I hasted them for killing Laurel, but at this point, bringing her back doesn't change what happened and the feelings behind it. If anything, as much as I dislike MG, I would have respected things overall had they stuck to their guns, because now it looks like they realized that their way was dumb and that they were ignoring the silent majority of their fans.

 

[Loki882]

Honestly the prospect of Oilver having to "redeem" BS doesn't appeal to me at all. The "evil villainess needing to be redeemed by the male hero." Yeah that's not cliché and problematic at all (facepalm). And you killed off the actual female hero, to do that (double facepalm)?

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Honestly, we're just assuming they're going redemption arc. (They probably will, but it's far from set in stone.) It is quite possible that she could be the "Church" of S6; a recurring villain that is later replaced by the primary villain. Only in this case, rather than being killed like Church, Siren may be redeemed or thrown in prison (again) or something.

 

[b_boy]

Honestly the prospect of Oilver having to "redeem" BS doesn't appeal to me at all. The "evil villainess needing to be redeemed by the male hero." Yeah that's not cliché and problematic at all (facepalm). And you killed off the actual female hero, to do that (double facepalm)?

Yes, but they could, as Primal slayer said, do the Faith treatment. Faith on Buffy ended up becoming a villain, regretted it (yes, Angel had a little bit to do with it, but it was mostly her), and her redemption came more because of the heroes needing her help and she choosing to help and ending up on the good side.

She'll be back on the finale (2 episodes), maybe she gets pissed that Prometheus got her freed from Star Labs only for her to be sent to Argus prison and decides to help TA take him down and has a similar arc to Nyssa's on S3, Nyssa didn't had anywhere else to go and turned to Laurel and ended up on the good side.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's about time that Thea has something to do so they should let her play a large part in redeeming Siren.

And I do hope that it appears as though Siren is on Prometheus' side only to double cross him for treating her like crap. The fact that she is teaming up with someone already is interesting.

I do wish the name Dinah wasn't already being used since it would've been a nice way to differentiate Siren from Laurel.

 

[Paradox1]

Honestly, we're just assuming they're going redemption arc. (They probably will, but it's far from set in stone.) It is quite possible that she could be the "Church" of S6; a recurring villain that is later replaced by the primary villain. Only in this case, rather than being killed like Church, Siren may be redeemed or thrown in prison (again) or something.

Series regular would imply a role far more substantial than Church. I'm thinking something like Meryln in season 4 at worst. I just had a thought, what if Siren became the new Ra's and resurrected the league. Could have the daughters of the demon reunited in removing the Black Siren.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wouldnt be a fan of that.

On a side ntoe: KC is officially back to work on Arrow tonight.

 

[Loki882]

They've actually done this with ALL of the sidekicks, thinking about it:

-Roy: Took all of Season 2 to get him as a sidekick with no name, and half of the time he was crazy Miakuru Roy. Season 3 he get's to be Arsenal for 3/4ths of the season before he's written off the show (at his request), but not before Roy begs Oliver to never leave him, which Oliver promises NOT to do- only to leave him behind, unconscious on the ground, in that SAME EPISODE.

-Thea: They take all of Season 3 to get Thea to suit up as Speedy, during which time they had her a drugged, mind-controlled assassin, a barely featured club owner, and a victim of Ra's. Season 4 she gets more action, but is hampered with the bloodlust, sidelined for a time because of that, gets a new boyfriend that we barely ever see and who is hinted at being evil, get's kidnapped, see's said boyfriend (who is drugged and NOT evil) get killed, and then gets drugged AGAIN and sent to kill someone AGAIN by her whackadoo father, before finally retiring at the end of the season- and then she un-retires to fight aliens in Season 5, is abducted AGAIN and has her mind messed with AGAIN, before retiring and vanishing for the second half of the season.

-Felicity: She didn't stop crying in Season 3, broke up her engagement to Oliver over something that she most certainly already knew about him (his tendency to keep secrets) in season 4, then in season 5 got her great new love Billy- who we saw all of 4 times before he was killed, and THAT death sends her on a downward spiral.

As a matter of fact, out of all of the sidekicks, I think Diggle has gotten off the best. The only really bad thing he's had to deal with was that god-awful helmet in Season 4.

 

[Slade W]

Well, I think that is pretty accurate. Look, I think She should come back, but also I think that it's for ratings.(You do this or we will replace you with Black Lightning)

I would be surprised if one character can have an effect on ratings like that. The only character that I think could perhaps have a significant effect is Barry. it will be interesting to see if BS does have a positive effect on them.

 

[az824]

I would be surprised if one character can have an effect on ratings like that. The only character that I think could perhaps have a significant effect is Barry. it will be interesting to see if BS does have a positive effect on them.

I'm not sure either, but Amell did mention in an interview a few months ago how the ratings had plummeted and they didn't know if there was going to be a season 6. He was exaggerating a bit, although the ratings of course went down. I think the crossover episode including Laurel was so big for them that maybe they realize that bringing KC back could boost the ratings, even a little bit.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I watched "Disbanded" last night and had to laugh, because Dinah's Canary Cry straight up blew three guys off their feet. Meanwhile, in S4, Laurel's CC usually made people hold their ears (and broke a little glass), if even that. Sometimes it was completely ineffective. Poor Laurel.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yeah good times. They seemingly didnt want to take Laurels Canary Cry device seriously and not even a year later they bring in a full on meta who can cause major destruction. But anything to make Laurel look like a joke.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Yeah good times. They seemingly didnt want to take Laurels Canary Cry device seriously and not even a year later they bring in a full on meta who can cause major destruction. But anything to make Laurel look like a joke.

Well, Black Siren's cry wasn't bad. It knocked down a building in Flash and the Laurel statue in Arrow. But Laurel herself? Yeah, her cry was always a little bit pathetic. Even Sara's little sonic bombs did better. But if Tina's been doing this for the better part of three years now, I guess it does make sense that she has honed her Cry to be pretty powerful. Still, wish they'd done something more with Laurel's.

 

[Primal Slayer]

They made a point to say that Laurels Canary device had different levels to it but never really bothered to explore that except for one time.

But it's also funny that they were so against turning Laurel into a meta human and now we'll have 2 meta human females with the same exact ability on the show lol.

 

[Dark Raven]

They made a point to say that Laurels Canary device had different levels to it but never really bothered to explore that except for one time.

But it's also funny that they were so against turning Laurel into a meta human and now we'll have 2 meta human females with the same exact ability on the show lol.

Well Flash has many speedsters all with the same ability, so two screamers won't really matter.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The Flash was always a meta human show though. Arrow was very anti-meta so it's a big thing for them. Especially considering the characters involved that they more or less tried to run into the ground.

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[Primal Slayer]

MG revealed that Sirens gonna have a very significant presence as an antagonist, "let's put it that way."

 

[Dark Raven]

Felicity is an antagonist of the series. She antagonises viewers.

 

[cheungcheung]

Felicity is an antagonist of the series. She antagonises viewers.

But not the teenyboppers so that's all that matters to the CW haha.

Can't wait for the return or olicity next season...

 

[Primal Slayer]

Someone at Wondercon actually said to MG that they are afraid of Katie returning because her fans are abusive online lol.