Duncan Jones' Warcraft - Part 2

[Rowsdower!]

i watched 3 featurette videos. its obvious that there is to much story and characters. which will not get enough time

i expect Ducan Jones in 6 month to post a tweet or a comment in an interview that he had a 30 minutes longer cut and that it would make more sense to the general public.

Maybe something like...

Duncan Jones @ManMadeMoon 14m A year ago I had a fantastic version of this. And it would've received great reviews. You'll probably never see it. That's reality though.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Hearing fanboys talk about the mythical three hour cut that fixes everything is always hilarious

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hearing fanboys talk about the mythical three hour cut that fixes everything is always hilarious

Agreed.

 

[Victarion]

If creators want their world to be classical fantasy, then critisizing them for having orcs and elves there is a non-sense, IMO. It's like saying "your sci-fi has aliens? you suck!". I like classical fantasy, much more than pseudo-fantasy like Game of Thrones, I'm an AD&D guy, I love worlds full of ogres, trolls, gryphons, skeletons and orcs. GoT does not feel fresh to me, it feels somewhat bland, if you think of GoT in terms of fantasy, it's more like pseudo-history with some supranatural elements, but that's for another discussion.

Designers were inspired by things they grew up with, no question. It's the most common thing in the world of art.

What's interesting to me is the story of characters in the world. I read the story of Durotan, Orgrim and Frostwolf clan yesterday. And it's a really good read, it's about way the orcs lived on Draenor, about their relationship to draenei, how Durotan did not want to be part of the massacre. It's about Durotan's relationship with Ner'zhul, Velen, Drek'thar, Kil'jaeden, Gul'dan, the Horde in general, it's really rich and it feels rich and well fleshed out. And that's just one guy in the story. You have the whole Human side, and later Elves, Dwarves, Night Elves, Undead, Taurens, Naga, etc.
The story told in WarCraft III and The Frozen Throne, about Arthas, Uther, Jaina, Thrall, Grommash, Tyrande, Malfurion, Illidan, Kel'thuzad, Sylvanas, etc. is fantastic!


I don't get they left one of the most important parts of the business, the promotion, on some company that does not know what to do with it. They need to show that the world is rich and characters are interesting and deep, that it has deep lore and history, that the world feels so complete and real in terms of content. What are you doing Legendary Pictures, Blizzard and Atlas Entertainment?

I know enough to know that these are snake-people. Why not cut the pixie **** and give us the weird dragon mutants, snake-people etc? That would up my interest 10-fold. I love me some weird with a well-told story.

 

[MadVillainy]

i watched 3 featurette videos. its obvious that there is to much story and characters. which will not get enough time

i expect Ducan Jones in 6 month to post a tweet or a comment in an interview that he had a 30 minutes longer cut and that it would make more sense to the general public.

Yeah. I could be wrong, But from what I've seen of this it really reeks of an interview with Jones denouncing the movie either months or years down the line

 

[Drz]

I know enough to know that these are snake-people. Why not cut the pixie **** and give us the weird dragon mutants, snake-people etc? That would up my interest 10-fold. I love me some weird with a well-told story.

The Naga are mutated ancient elves who served demons until their city got flooded and they don't even have legs anymore.

But they don't become relevant to the story of Warcraft until later, again the gist is to introduce audience to the world, then you can show all the cool stuff.

 

[OutOfBoose]

i watched 3 featurette videos. its obvious that there is to much story and characters. which will not get enough time

i expect Ducan Jones in 6 month to post a tweet or a comment in an interview that he had a 30 minutes longer cut and that it would make more sense to the general public.

You will be bringing your issues with BvS into ever thread?

 

[OutOfBoose]

Allegedly, there are draenei in the film, which is terrific. t: My favourite WOW race.

Same. Draenei made me play WoW.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Hearing fanboys talk about the mythical three hour cut that fixes everything is always hilarious

Haha yeah, that's why some Ridley Scott fans annoy me so much. It's like, I don't care if the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven is good. The version I saw in theaters sucked, and it sure as hell didn't make me want to go watch MORE of it. And that's on the director. If you can't figure out how to make an engaging movie with a runtime that doesn't cause audiences' butts to go numb, then you shouldn't be making big-budget, mainstream films.

 

[dark_b]

You will be bringing your issues with BvS into ever thread?

has nothing to do with BvS. this is how people defend movies.

i dont know who told hollywood that for a good movie you need sooooo many characters and plot-lines.

 

[Drz]

Duncan wrote the script for the movie and despite him being new to big budget Hollywood movies, I have faith he can juggle the characters.

If the Russos can do it, certainly a non Disney director can too!

 

[Moridin]

Yeah. I could be wrong, But from what I've seen of this it really reeks of an interview with Jones denouncing the movie either months or years down the line

I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate anything like that. Jones looks really happy with the film.

 

[OutOfBoose]

There isn't that many characters to begin with. I can count about 10, who have any meaningful screen time, and only half of them can be considered main characters. On the other hand, though, I'm familiar with games...

 

[Sithborg]

Hearing fanboys talk about the mythical three hour cut that fixes everything is always hilarious

Thanks Peter Jackson.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Thanks Peter Jackson.

What

 

[Logan0327]

Warcraft Creating The World Featurette
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[DarthSkywalker]

Haha yeah, that's why some Ridley Scott fans annoy me so much. It's like, I don't care if the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven is good. The version I saw in theaters sucked, and it sure as hell didn't make me want to go watch MORE of it. And that's on the director. If you can't figure out how to make an engaging movie with a runtime that doesn't cause audiences' butts to go numb, then you shouldn't be making big-budget, mainstream films.

See, this is different. One, there was another cut that already existed, and it is excellent. Second, they literally forced him to cut it down, and he I believe he said it couldn't be done. So someone else did it I believe.

And just because your butt is old Rowsdower, doesn't mean eveyone can't sit through a 3 hour movie. With that mind set, there is no LotR or Gone with the Wind.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There isn't that many characters to begin with. I can count about 10, who have any meaningful screen time, and only half of them can be considered main characters. On the other hand, though, I'm familiar with games...

There is only one main character.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Hearing fanboys talk about the mythical three hour cut that fixes everything is always hilarious

 

[Logan0327]

yeah i never understand this whole 3 hour cut especially in BVS boards lol like serious that movie was slow and boring as it is

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

yeah i never understand this whole 3 hour cut especially in BVS boards lol like serious that movie was slow and boring as it is

I just can't believe that anyone wants to be tortured for 30 minutes extra minutes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just can't believe that anyone wants to be tortured for 30 minutes extra minutes.

Okay, if we are fair theoretically a longer cut can feel "shorter". Namely as it isn't wasting your time, stuff isn't incoherent, etc. But there was nothing in BvS or the F4 that suggest any more time was going to fix things with horrible characterizations and crappy stories.

The best thing about the BvS situation is it came less then a year after we got the same excuse with F4.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Okay, if we are fair theoretically a longer cut can feel "shorter". Namely as it isn't wasting your time, stuff isn't incoherent, etc. But there was nothing in BvS or the F4 that suggest any more time was going to fix things with horrible characterizations and crappy stories.

The best thing about the BvS situation is it came less then a year after we got the same excuse with F4.

Right, I agree and that is my ultimate point. Extra time can fix a film that already had a good core, but it can't fix a rotten to the core film. The reason that I've never watched the Daredevil director's cut is because I didn't like that film at a foundational level so I don't see how the director's cut would change that. It probably made the film better slightly by having it make more sense but I never saw how it could make it good enough for me not to see it as the bad film that I see it as.

 

[Marvolo]

yeah i never understand this whole 3 hour cut especially in BVS boards lol like serious that movie was slow and boring as it is

Pacing isnt just about runtime. 3 hours can feel faster than 90 minutes depending on the pacing and story.

As for how 30 minutes can make a bad film a good film, one well known example is Kingdom of Heaven. The theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven is 144 minutes and its a messy slog and one of Scott's worst films. The director's cut is 194 minutes and is much better paced and a significantly superior film and one of Scott's best films. So yeah you'd be surprised what sort of difference 30 minutes can make.

Similar thing happened with Exodus. Setting aside Scott's take on the story, a lot of character material was chopped out of that film and it resulted in a poorer less developed film. Ramseys comes across damn near bipolar and characters drop out and in and plot developments occur off screen etc in the theatrical cuts. Thats why people wanted the 3 hour cut so much. All that material is on the cutting room floor.

Its never a guarantee that the extended version will be better but if I can see gaps or holes or a marked underdevelopment of characters and plot in a theatrical cut of a film then I usually want to watch the extended cut just to see if it improves the film.