DrCosmic
Professor of Power
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See how you do that? Let me enlighten you about something: being irrationally obessessed with ANYTHING is never a good thing but that doesn't allow you to twist it into being racism. Being 'defined' by rapping is never portrayd as positive? I'd say plenty of people in real life are defined by rapping without being portrayed as negative. If you did word association, I'm sure that the defining word for most rappers would be 'rapper'. How is that racist or somehow 'not portrayed as positive'? I personally find rap 'greatly annoying' but it doesn't have anything to do with race. There's the problem. A lot of people (you too, apparently) feel that if someone doesn't like something a black person does, it MUST be because of their race which just isn't the case. And I have pointed out repeatedly without any response, how can a black character be portrayed as 'black enough' to satisfy half the black comic reading population without including some black stereotype that would piss off the other half? THere is plenty of talk of this 'too black/not black enough' in the black superhero thread of which I am sure you are aware.
As I said earlier, white writers aren't obligated to write black characters and they sure as hell aren't obligated to 'put forth the effort to learn to write black characters as diverse human beings'. That has such a sound of entitlement to me. I'm sure most comic book writers don't enter the profession with the goal of being activists for any cause, black or otherwise. I don't think it is racist in the least if they don't feel like they have to burn the midnight oil trying to really 'get' what a black person wants their characters to be like. If for no other reason it isn't financially reasonable. As far as I know, not one black hero has been able to sustain a title of their own. Now you could say that this is due to writing and would probably insinuate that it is based on some sort of racist motive or at least white writers not understanding how to write a black person, but there have been black writers on BP titles whose series ended.
BUt for arguments sake, let's talk about 'diversity' among black characters in comics. T'challa is an African king, Cage is an ex-con turned PI, Mr. Terrific is a genius level intellect millionaire listed as 'third most intelligent person in th world', Rhodey (and Falcon I believe) are well-respected members of the armed forces, Storm one of the most powerful mutants worshipped as a goddess where she was from in Africa. Do those all sound the same? Is that not diversity? PLease tell me what would satisfy.
Well, mostly what I hear when a black character is written 'colorblind' is basically the 'he's just a white man with black coloered skin' type thing. I'll ask again, how can a black charatcer be written in such a way as to avoid that criticism without some form of sterotype?
And yet in the video provided by E-man, we hear the guy complaining 'why do black character even have to have 'black' in their name. So we have one person (you) saying 'black culture' is the defining aspect of the character while another complains ablout him even having 'black' in his name. I reiterate, no wonder white writers don;t know what black readers want. Even you guys can't come to an agreement on it. When you're not part of a culture, you don't think that would make it more difficult to write, especially the culture of another country?
AS I said, if I tried my best to write a black character only to get hit with this kind of criticism, I'd say screw ya'll, find someone else. You yourself said no one wants to write BP. Wonder why?
My view is, even if someone wrote BP (or any black character) exactly the way you wanted them to be written, they still wouldn't be able to sustain a title just because there aren't enough black readers (plus however many white readers might be interested in reading them) to financially sustain such a title. This isn't racism, just simple mathematics.
If you feel that every 'failed' attempt to write a black character is at least partially motivated by 'subconscious prejudice', I'm gonna say you have a dose of that yourself.
Virtually everyone has some amount of subconscious prejudice. Some people who have achieved great success inter culturally, such as writers, have learned to recognize and manipulate those prejudices in order to create something other than a negative stereotype.
Regardless, you're drifting off topic. I was pointing out how Naruto is racist and saying how rapping was not portrayed as something positive, and you begin to talk about how it is portrayed as something positive outside of Naruto. Do you not also feel entitled to see characters written as three dimensional and inspiring? I understand that the writers do not actually owe me anything, and that it is my job to not support them when they do not write well, but I choose to express my expectation in this way so that we can have a discussion about it, rather than me just going to my comic shop and choosing. In that way, writers are, in fact, obliged to give fans what they want, which is why they continually try to do so, which is part of why this discussion serves a purpose.
Also, you seem to count some complaints for more than they're worth. Falcon, Rhodey, Morpheus and Olivia Pope and countless others are all written colorblind, and they are wildly popular with many people, and virtually never maligned for being written so. So where do you, or anyone else, get the idea that writing colorblind is a criticism of any note? Contrast with characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther, Storm and John Stewart who are strongly tied to race, who are not criticized for their jive talk or afro-centrism, or their blackness, in fact. So the most popular black characters prove that writing colorblind, or being defined by race is not the problem. (But should they be written colorblind, it would be inconsistent, and thus be criticized).
Even Blackface receives praise when done with understanding and respect, whether in the documentary Black/White or the comedy Tropic Thunder.
Then you have Killer B, Mr. Popo, Kiwi Black, Jar Jar Binks and others, and it becomes clear that showing blackness as a negative trait is what gets criticism, and why shouldn't it? What if Spider-Man being from New York was shown as a debilitating weakness? Fans would be in an uproar. And rightly so. That's stupid, and an insult to the millions of great people who live in New York.
And, as was said before, black people are not monolithic. A writer trying to figure out 'what black people want' as though all black people are the same problem is a kind of subconscious prejudice that inherently prevents them from writing blackness as something other than a problem.
Again, I agree that writers might feel like it's an unsolvable problem, but history shows that it is not. I agree that writers don't have an actual need to write black characters well. They can keep them as sidekicks and face-heel turns and such, and do very well for themselves. But those who want to do something great, to actually be great writers, should probably learn to not let skin color define what roles characters can fill.
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