Fantastic Four reborn! - - - Part 19

[Dasher10]

But hoping for something like that with FFINO is rather in vain, considering it has been filmed on a much lower budget, even less effort and value has been given to it, Doom has been demoted to an anti-social blogger and it's something that Fox even seem rather ashamed of.

Do you have figures on the budget? All that I've seen is speculation. What seems to be confirmed is that the film will be CGI heavy which can't be done on a minuscule budget.

And for the record, I'm cautiously optimistic. That's hardly a dumb position to take when there isn't so much as a trailer yet.

And nobody can describe why Ultimate FF was terrible. Just that, "it was."

 

[Flint Marko]

Do you have figures on the budget? All that I've seen is speculation. What seems to be confirmed is that the film will be CGI heavy which can't be done on a minuscule budget.

And for the record, I'm cautiously optimistic. That's hardly a dumb position to take when there isn't so much as a trailer yet.

And nobody can describe why Ultimate FF was terrible. Just that, "it was."

It's fairly safe to assume that this film was made on a pretty slim budget, at this point if you want to argue otherwise the burden of proof is on you.
Josh Trank's claim to fame was making over one hundred million on a movie that cost $12 million to produce (and that had a good amount of CGI btw), and please note that everyone is continually comparing FFINO to that aforementioned film. When Fox was cooking up plans for their cheap rights-grab this guy was the obvious choice, since he can make a lot on a little and he won't command a huge paycheck.
Please note the continued use of the word "lo-fi" and "gritty", as well as the "Chronicle 2" remarks that we have gotten from a lot of different sources. All of that screams "lower budget", it's a pretty obvious assumption. Just how low of a budget is up for debate, but I'm willing to bet it's comfortably around or lower than $65 million. The two Story films all cost around $100 million, and I'm willing to bet they aren't going near that number.
Remaining cautiously optimistic is all well and good, but considering that we have nothing to go on but bad news and radio silence from the studio, its a pretty hard position to defend.

 

[Eddie]

Do you have figures on the budget? All that I've seen is speculation. What seems to be confirmed is that the film will be CGI heavy which can't be done on a minuscule budget.

And for the record, I'm cautiously optimistic. That's hardly a dumb position to take when there isn't so much as a trailer yet.

And nobody can describe why Ultimate FF was terrible. Just that, "it was."

Incorrect. Sharknado uses a fair bit of CG. It cost $2,000,000. CG can be cheaper than practical effects these days in many situations. CG is no longer an expensive technology (good CG is, sure, but you're generally going to pay more for quality work). If anything, the extensive use of CG could be worrying, as it was announced ages ago that the film was using a cheap cloud based company for CG. They're not exactly calling up Cameron and asking him to let the Avatar team handle the film.

 

[Orba]

Also isn't Trank supposed to be using Otoy (a cloud rendering tool) for the CGI on the film in order to keep the costs down?

 

[Farren]

Also isn't Trank supposed to be using Otoy (a cloud rendering tool) for the CGI on the film in order to keep the costs down?

Yes, unless there's been a change we haven't heard about.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/19/o...-in-indie-games-and-the-fantastic-four-movie/

 

[Eddie]

Also isn't Trank supposed to be using Otoy (a cloud rendering tool) for the CGI on the film in order to keep the costs down?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I highly doubt we're in for a film that will be getting technical awards at next year's Academy Awards ceremony.

 

[terry78]

So ILM was never in the cards.

 

[Dasher10]

That doesn't mean that Thing will look like a 90s CGI creature. We haven't seen anything yet.

 

[Urich Leeds]

So ILM was never in the cards.

ILM (a Disney owned company) would probably purposely overcharge them.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Do you have figures on the budget? All that I've seen is speculation. What seems to be confirmed is that the film will be CGI heavy which can't be done on a minuscule budget.

And for the record, I'm cautiously optimistic. That's hardly a dumb position to take when there isn't so much as a trailer yet.

And nobody can describe why Ultimate FF was terrible. Just that, "it was."

The earliest reports put the budget at $90 million, but the most recent reports says it has ballooned to $200 million (and growing) due to extensive reshoots.

 

[Jordacar]

The earliest reports put the budget at $90 million, but the most recent reports says it has ballooned to $200 million (and growing) due to extensive reshoots.

Ouch, somebody's getting fired.

 

[Eddie]

The positive fans better hope there isn't any truth to that $200 million rumor. That would require well over $400 million at the box office (maybe over $500 million) to attain profitability with no merchandise support (which the film won't have). Even disregarding the ridiculous marketing budget that was part of the problem, TASM2 barely turned a profit, and that brought in over $700 million worldwide. The marketing budget was part of the problem (a big part), but Sony actually had a slight advantage over Fox. Sony no longer gives Marvel a cut of the Spidey box office. Fox has to give the mouse a cut from any FF film.

 

[coolmovies]

Hello everyone. New to the forums. Huge fan of superhero, comic book, sci fi, action, adventure type of movies. Will be participating by posting relevant info related to any upcoming cbm based movies. Cannot wait for what future has in store for us!

I have noticed that people are extremely worried about this reboot and it has garnered tons of negative press (some deservingly so). But I feel some of the rumours are just baloney. They have spread like wildfire because nowadays fans have become extremely impatient and any lack of information raises red flags. I understand the feeling. In this day and age to be so secretive about a fanboy driven movie is counterproductive and can result in or disaster. But some studios just have different ways I guess.

Don't lose hope folks. Maybe in the end it will turn out just fine. I remember reading back in 2011 that xmen first class was a mess and there were reshoots for it (the news didn't blow up).

 

[Farren]

The earliest reports put the budget at $90 million, but the most recent reports says it has ballooned to $200 million (and growing) due to extensive reshoots.

Source?

I don't doubt you've heard that but I'd like to know where.

 

[coolmovies]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I highly doubt we're in for a film that will be getting technical awards at next year's Academy Awards ceremony.

So ILM was never in the cards.

I dont know about academy awards and all, but they do have 2 Oscar winning vfx companies working on this.

https://www.wetafx.co.nz/in_production

http://www.moving-picture.com/film/filmography/the-fantastic-four

There is a 3rd one working on this

http://www.spherevfx.com/resources/futurevfxmovies/


I don't think vfx houses of their calibre would be working on a found footage movie.

 

[Mike Murdock]

ILM (a Disney owned company) would probably purposely overcharge them.

It seems that Disney and Fox have no problem working together on other projects. The feud is probably a Marvel/Fox feud (Disney is a big enough company it doesn't have to go all the way to the top). On top of that, there are other companies that could compete with ILM, so I doubt they could ask for more than they're worth. Besides, I think Disney's problem with Fox is they're not getting any money from royalties. I think the'yd rather make money for ILM than not make money.

 

[Link]

Weta fx and Moving Picture? Well yeah i guess we can forget the idea of a full found-footage film. That's good. The budget is probably going to be fine too, not that budget would mean much these days.

It's hard to believe we are actually going to get a trailer and pictures from this movie soon. All this time with nothing and i bet something is coming soon enough. Here's hoping :'D

 

[RAE072]

I don't think vfx houses of their calibre would be working on a found footage movie.

Nobody said it was going to be a found footage movie.

Just that, disappointingly so, it was going to have found footage elements. Which, given the apparent one trick pony-ness of the director, probably shouldn't be surprising.

Even though Chronicle had tons of fx. Earth To Echo, the upcoming, awful looking time travel found footage movie.

They all have fx.

So even though it'll have fx from established fx companies, doesn't mean it won't be found footage or have found footage elements.

 

[coolmovies]

Nobody said it was going to be a found footage movie.

Just that, disappointingly so, it was going to have found footage elements. Which, given the apparent one trick pony-ness of the director, probably shouldn't be surprising.

Even though Chronicle had tons of fx. Earth To Echo, the upcoming, awful looking time travel found footage movie.

They all have fx.

So even though it'll have fx from established fx companies, doesn't mean it won't be found footage or have found footage elements.

I saw many posters misleading others that this is found footage movie. To say now that NO one said would be not admitting. But forget it.

I don't doubt there will be some found footage elements in it. Last year, a big summer tentpole movie that was critically and commercially successful, had some scenes that were found footage format. Guess which one!! No one complained. I think something similar is what we are going to get in some of the scenes in this movie. I hope they don't overuse it.

 

[RAE072]

Last year, a big summer tentpole movie that was critically and commercially successful, had some scenes that were found footage format

Which one?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I can't think of what it might have been.

 

[Snow Queen]

Days of Future Past? For maybe at most a total of 10 second or so in the Paris scene.

 

[RAE072]

I can't think of what it might have been.

Maybe he's confusing that hand held, "shaky cam" filming technique for found footage.

 

[Paradox1]

Guardians of the Galaxy had a lot of found footage elements in that big battle scene.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Guardians of the Galaxy had a lot of found footage elements in that big battle scene.

Please explain this. I am dying to know.