Fantastic Four reborn! - - - Part 19

[Urich Leeds]

Because reshoots of THAT caliber always work out for the best.

Worked for the ASM films. And let's not forget TMNT.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I've always thought that by found footage "elements" they meant the "feel" of being shot that way. I forgot who mentioned it, but the comparison was made to how the revival BSG was shot.

 

[metaphysician]

Fox is going to spend $200 million on their cheap rights grab? I don't believe it for a second.

Me neither. Maybe its a "on paper" budget increase? As in, the budget has doubled, but it doubled from its original "actual" budget of 30M to 60M, which after you apply the same set of accounting tricks looked like 100M to 200M?

 

[Eddie]

I don't really buy the 200 mil rumor myself, as I've long suspected that they're pulling a DBE (tell your cast they're doing a $100,000,000 movie and film a $30,000,000 movie) on this one. They probably did have to spend more money, but I'd think it'll still be a low budget film. That said, if they spent anywhere close to $200,000,000 they're ******. The movie would have a very difficult time reaching profitability without merchandise support at those numbers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Maybe Trank caused a lot more damage to his residence than we thought?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

"Found Footage" means that the film you are watching was filmed by one of the characters in the film and was later "found" by someone who is now watching it. That does not take place in GOTG.

The only part I can think of that is found footage-esque is Rocket's introduction at the very beginning.

 

[Nemeres]

FFINO isn't so much a film as it is an exercise in corporate rights extension.

You haven't seen it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

You haven't seen it.

I didn't say that. It certainly seems to be the case, but that wasn't my quote.

 

[Paradox1]

I've always thought that by found footage "elements" they meant the "feel" of being shot that way. I forgot who mentioned it, but the comparison was made to how the revival BSG was shot.

Thats it.

 

[Nemeres]

Weird, I quoted someone else. Whatever the case seems to be, it's cute seeing people talk about what kind of film this is, what movies it compares to, what it's worse or better than, considering... yep, that little truth again. Funny how so much of the complaining around here can be shut down with that repetitive argument.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Weird, I quoted someone else. Whatever the case seems to be, it's cute seeing people talk about what kind of film this is, what movies it compares to, what it's worse or better than, considering... yep, that little truth again. Funny how so much of the complaining around here can be shut down with that repetitive argument.

We have enough evidence to suggest that it is.

If I smell smoke coming from my computer, I don't need to wait to see the flames to tell something is wrong.

There are too many people in this world that ignore warnings until it is too late.

 

[Eddie]

Weird, I quoted someone else. Whatever the case seems to be, it's cute seeing people talk about what kind of film this is, what movies it compares to, what it's worse or better than, considering... yep, that little truth again. Funny how so much of the complaining around here can be shut down with that repetitive argument.

The production and marketing at this stage has little resemblance to that of a good film, but it does have interesting comparisons to some real train wrecks. Funny how so much of the blind devotion comes down to putting your hands over your ears and repetitively yelling about how we haven't seen what kind of film this is yet. Really funny, as official sources attached to the production have flat out compared it to Chronicle, which isn't very FF-like at all.

 

[wobbly]

I've always thought that by found footage "elements" they meant the "feel" of being shot that way. I forgot who mentioned it, but the comparison was made to how the revival BSG was shot.

The simple apt term is 'shakey cam'. The more pretentious one is 'Cinema Verite' (I think the latter term can also apply to found footage).

Basic idea is to give the viewer a feeling they are 'in the room' with the scene. The BSG revival overdid it (imo). Not so bad for the space action scenes, but it was a bit daft to have the camera moving about like a drunk was holding it for simple conversation ones (that works fine for found footage, where the premise is that it's a character within the film holding it, but not so well for standard film/tv where we know a pro is behind the thing).

I get the feeling the BSG shakey cam style is likely what we can expect here.

 

[wobbly]

Fox is going to spend $200 million on their cheap rights grab? I don't believe it for a second.

If they have spent more than $100 mil I will be surprised. My best guess atm is the budget is around the $80mil mark at the most. I could be wrong but atm I think even that is probably being generous.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Funny how so much of the complaining around here can be shut down with that repetitive argument.

You're more than capable of avoiding all this bothersome complaining you endlessly grumble about by not clicking on threads where you know it will be present.

 

[Flint Marko]

We have enough evidence to suggest that it is.

If I smell smoke coming from my computer, I don't need to wait to see the flames to tell something is wrong.

There are too many people in this world that ignore warnings until it is too late.

Boom, hit the nail on the head. On more than one occasion I have said "where there's smoke, there's fire" in regards to this production, it's clear to anyone who is willing to look that something is not right here.

 

[RAE072]

The production and marketing at this stage has little resemblance to that of a good film, but it does have interesting comparisons to some real train wrecks. Funny how so much of the blind devotion comes down to putting your hands over your ears and repetitively yelling about how we haven't seen what kind of film this is yet. Really funny, as official sources attached to the production have flat out compared it to Chronicle, which isn't very FF-like at all.

Weird, that.

And funny too.

You're more than capable of avoiding all this bothersome complaining you endlessly grumble about by not clicking on threads where you know it will be present.

Nah. Cause then what would HE have to complain about.

 

[Link]

Imo there's nothing alarming about reshoots, most movies do these days. We don't know even know how extensive they are, although i don't believe in those +100 million rumors lol.

 

[RAE072]

Imo there's nothing alarming about reshoots, most movies do these days. We don't know even know how extensive they are, although i don't believe in those +100 million rumors lol.

According to Dasher, if the studio wants to make the movie "better" through reshoots extensive enough to overhaul the movie in general, then they are indeed extensive reshoots.

 

[Flint Marko]

According to Dasher, if the studio wants to make the movie "better" through reshoots extensive enough to overhaul the movie in general, then they are indeed extensive reshoots.

Has someone from the studio explicitly stated that these reshoots are "extensive", in an attempt to drastically improve the movie? Or is a rumor?

 

[Nemeres]

You're more than capable of avoiding all this bothersome complaining you endlessly grumble about by not clicking on threads where you know it will be present.

I call it complaining, but it doesn't bother me. I do the same, except I try not to sound too confident about stuff of which I have limited knowledge. If people throw their POVs out there in this thread, I assume they're ok with someone questioning it. And I'll keep coming and reading as much as I please, I'm a big boy.

 

[RAE072]

Has someone from the studio explicitly stated that these reshoots are "extensive", in an attempt to drastically improve the movie? Or is a rumor?

Kinberg apparently said 3-4 days worth. Impossible to tell if that's accurate.

BleedingCool claims someone in the know told them it's a mess, Fox is demanding reshoots, that millions of dollars are being freed up and sets are being rebuilt.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01...vie-mess-goes-reshoot-louisiana-sets-rebuilt/

 

[Eddie]

Imo there's nothing alarming about reshoots, most movies do these days. We don't know even know how extensive they are, although i don't believe in those +100 million rumors lol.

What we really need to know is if any reshoots are still being done or will be done. The initial report that claimed extensive reshoots were coming was "debunked" by Kinberg when he said there would only be 3-4 days of reshoots. Sources have said reshoots were already prepping (which led to Kinberg having to clarify in the first place). This was over a week ago. If reshoots are still ongoing, or if additional filming is still on the way, Kinberg lied. Simple as that. If anything beyond 4 days of filming is being done Bleeding Cool's story likely has some truth to it.

 

[Dark Raven]

The only part I can think of that is found footage-esque is Rocket's introduction at the very beginning.

That isn't found footage though. Rocket didn't find it. We were simply seeing things through his point of view through his view finder.

Even in various films or TV shows where it shows a news crew and it shows it through the camera lens as if to show things from their perspective, or even if it shows a news report such as the various news bulletins at the end of The Avengers, that is not found footage. They did not find it.

Found Footage refers to the genre of film where it's supposed to be video footage that has been discovered (ie found) and is now being presented to the audience, with that footage either having been filmed by one of the characters or a third party. It's not merely the act of seeing something through the lens of a hand held camera.

Even when you see a real life news report, that is not found footage, because they didn't "find" it. The news crew shot it themselves. They knew where it was all along. However, if a news crew were out on location and they were killed, but had filmed something prior to dying, and then someone else found it, then it would be found footage.

So when something in a movie is filmed in a found footage style, it's to simulate the feeling that someone happened upon this footage - that it was, for example, discovered in the wreckage of a plane or some disaster. If in FFINO, Reed and co simply broadcast their filmed footage to an earth base, that isn't technically found footage, because then it's no different to a news report where the footage was never either lost or to be discovered, because they were in possession of it all along.

So when we see Rocket filming, that in no sense is found footage. Otherwise if it were, then soon we could ridiculously stretch the definition to include when someone looks through a pair of binoculars or through a gun sight, or even through a microscope and the audience are shown it from that point of view.

 

[Zarex]

You haven't seen it.

My quote, and my opinion is based on how FFINO came into production rather than the merits of the finished product. There's no chance a reboot of a failed franchise gets announced within 24 hours of the Disney purchase and gets put on screen just before the reversion date if this didn't involve Marvel rights.