Fantastic Four reborn! - Part 3

[spideyboy_1111]

That reminds me of something I heard about Futurama, that most space programs have the characters zip instantly back and forth from one end of the universe to the next. they wanted realism so they had things takes weeks, months, etc.
The MCU could easily say on a short mission that would have only taken them a day they were gone for a year or two. The mission was fast, the commute took forever.
You could even have a scene between Reed and a SHIELD agent like Fury.
I'd go with that, if Marvel got the rights back. Have them cameo, referenced like Hulk was in Thor.
Then a sort of recap in their own movie.

So you don't think the non comic reading audience would want to see the origin? Wouldn't be scratching their heads thinking, "What about Doom? Wasn't Doom with them when they became superheroes?"
Did the public wonder any of this during the Hulk reboot? Did they ask any of this during Batman Begins, ask about Robin and Alfred and why they weren't wearing rubber suits with nipples? They are asking why the reboot for Spider-Man.

i think at this point, everyone knows these heroes origins.. and we don't "need" it retold. Recapped wouldn't hurt. But it's not needed. Especially not "retold"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

From what I gather, as long as they have the film in "pre-production", they can maintain the rights indefinitely.

I'm also content with the idea of the reboot premiering exactly 10 years after the original, kinda like with The Amazing Spider Man this year.

Also, the more distance between this and Fantastic Four 2, the better.

the movie isn't even green lit. hiring a writer to "work on it" could literally take decades. That doesn't count as having a film entering production. It's the very very very bottom of the rung.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well, he also fought DareDevil and Captain America - long before Spidey - but that's the deal with most Marvel villains, they have crossed over into other heroes books at one time or another.

I don't recall the Spidey encounter, when was that?

he's popped up as a joke villain several times. Can't give you issues or years. But most Spider-man books and sites always list him as one of his villains. He also just showed up in the Ultimate spider-man cartoon

 

[chiefchirpa]

Eh, If they want to do the younger more 'ultimate' route fine, but I don't think having an older reed would hinder the film, origin or not. Compared the other three members, I think kids/teens would most definitely find thing, torch and Invisible woman more interesting based on powers alone; they could always cast them a bit younger to make them more relatable, on top of having the cooler powers.

35-40 year range is old enough for a better chance of a sequel/trilogy.

 

[MarvelKnight]

to each his own. When it comes down to it, as long as we get something better than the previous two, I'll be a happy FF fan.

 

[Artistsean]

I recently had an idea, to help maximize Dr. Doom in his 1st appearance in the reboot, they should not only show him in flashbacks (including the experiment that burned his face) but also show him (for the most part) single handedly take over Latveria in a bloody coup. And then he becomes a problem for the Fantastic Four and targets them and their city and causes a lot of destruction and death like the Joker did (only maybe not so dark as the Joker because it would need to be a kids movie too... somehow).
Showing a flashback of his past, instead of it being present, would help to make him seem larger scale. He was part of the FF's past and was there, he has a long history, not just a CEO who got powers today. And showing him take over his homeland would do that too, showing he is dangerous, dangerous enough to take over a country and become a dictator. By the time the FF have to deal with him he would already seem very powerful and dangerous.
Visually they should also give him back his armored suit, Kirby styled, and his cape because both make him look powerful and dangerous and regal. And they can do lots of shots looking up at him, making him look more powerful too.
And if Marvel gets back the rights they can include SHIELD too, showing the US Government is getting involved too, or if not Marvel then just the US government, to show he is a huge threat.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

that wouldn't be a bad idea. Actually.. i wouldn't mind a "first class" idea.. and actually focus more upon Dooms origin and his fallout with reed. Doom has such an indepth history.. it'd be kinda nice to touch upon it and his mother and him taking over latveria. It'd definitely be a new pace.

 

[Artistsean]

And so that the FF reboot wouldn't be all about Doom they can save Doom till a sequel like FF2.
So the FF1 movie would be all about Reed and the rest, and then the FF movie that brings in Doom would sort of focus on Doom, and his past and present. Making him seem like a Earth shattering threat. And then if he is only in one film at least it was a HUGE film about him.
Plus while the film could be like First Class it would still focus on the FF, like how FC had Charles in it a lot too.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And so that the FF reboot wouldn't be all about Doom they can save Doom till a sequel like FF2.
So the FF1 movie would be all about Reed and the rest, and then the FF movie that brings in Doom would sort of focus on Doom, and his past and present. Making him seem like a Earth shattering threat. And then if he is only in one film at least it was a HUGE film about him.
Plus while the film could be like First Class it would still focus on the FF, like how FC had Charles in it a lot too.

meh. i'd prefer doom to play a part in every film. Like magneto in the x-men films..... if we don't enter doom in F4 we may end up with Ironman 3 on our hands... with no mandarin

 

[Artistsean]

Yes, but I also don't want Dr. Doom to be the focus of each film, like Wolverine was in X-men or how X-Men didn't have any other villains but Magneto really. They missed out of great bad guys like the Sentinels, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Hellfire Club, etc.
What we could get is a Batman type franchise. 1st film has a great bad guy, second film has the arch enemy (Joker) and is so huge that it feels like he has been the arch enemy all along, and then we could have him in the 3rd or even a new enemy in the 3rd and him return in the fourth.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Too much Doom can get old, he's best used sparingly. And correctly

 

[Franklin Richards]

We need a Puppet Master movie. Then at the end we find out who the real puppet master was. Doom is always better when he shows up to rain on your parade from the shadows.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

We need a Puppet Master movie. Then at the end we find out who the real puppet master was. Doom is always better when he shows up to rain on your parade from the shadows.

No offense. But a creepy googly-eyed bald guy with an urinary for rape and puppets probably can't carry a superhero film very well. If he was part of the frightful four or something.... Then sure. But alone.... No, can't see it.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Why would I be offended?


Ever read FF 236?

Great story that starts with the Fantastic Four living the perfect life in a town called Liddleville. Except it isn't the Fantastic Four, it's just our heroes. No powers. Never became the FF. They live a perfect life.

Except... the dreams start.


It's a great narrative that twists and turns. There are great moments with Alicia.. who isn't blind... and Ben... who isn't the Thing. It's just sublime.


Any villain can carry a film... you just need a good idea. Terror in a Tiny Town is a good idea.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why would I be offended?


Ever read FF 236?

Great story that starts with the Fantastic Four living the perfect life in a town called Liddleville. Except it isn't the Fantastic Four, it's just our heroes. No powers. Never became the FF. They live a perfect life.

Except... the dreams start.


It's a great narrative that twists and turns. There are great moments with Alicia.. who isn't blind... and Ben... who isn't the Thing. It's just sublime.


Any villain can carry a film... you just need a good idea. Terror in a Tiny Town is a good idea.

sounds like an episode of a tv show to me.... doesn't sound like a block buster film. that idea would be stupendous for TV, i just don't see it for feature film.

 

[Artistsean]

sounds like an episode of a tv show to me.... doesn't sound like a block buster film. that idea would be stupendous for TV, i just don't see it for feature film.

it would have to be adjusted for a movie sure, but I can see it working as a plot. Not a typical superhero movie plot but it reminds me of movies like Memento or something where the main characters are trying to put their lives back together and remember who they are. I could see something along the lines of this working, but also I think it was just an example of how a character like Puppet Master could be presented in a movie.
If he was used in a movie he would not be portrayed as a perverted mind controlling rapist type, I think he would just be shown as this mild mannered, weak even, looking guy who holds all the cards and the power. How can the FF, a teamed of super strong, super smart, super powerful adventurers hope to defeat this skinny bald guy?
If he was presented in the right way he could be a menace and not creepy, and I choose to ignore that story from the comics myself. Sometimes ideas are introduced that completely change a character but that doesn't mean that is how he would have to be shown in the movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I haven't seen the contract, but I see some mention of Fox being allowed to keep the rights as long as they're in "pre-production" and I think that's highly unlikely. Pre-production is too nebulous and a studio could keep a property in pre-production nearly indefinitely with very little investment.

I'm sure the Marvel lawyers would have required a more definite milestone - a release date, date for shooting live action scenes, etc. - whatever milestone was chosen, it would have to be a point of no return. Hiring producers, writing scripts, scouting locations etc. can all be done with no real intention to create a film and Marvel and their lawyers would have known that before drafting any agreements.

The complete lack of effort on Fox's part leads me to believe Marvel will be getting the rights back (and based on their knowledge of the contract, they may be more confident of that than any of us can be), but it may be a while before we hear anything official.

I expect that by the end of this year, we will have heard that one studio or the other will be moving forward.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I don't see FOX letting go of the Fantastic Four. Too much money to be made. Same goes for Daredevil.

Its not like Lions Gate with The Punisher where they weren't making any money off the character at all.

Both Fantastic Four movies made FOX decent money. Daredevil and Elektra I'm sure the studio blames on Mark Steven Johnson & Rob Bowman.

Last word on the reboot came in January, confirming Michael Green's screenplay is still in play & Josh Trank was being considered as a director after Chronicle.

Personally, I think Trank's not a bad choice, nor is he the best choice.

As long as they go the Matthew Vaughn/Rupert Wyatt route, we'll get a better Fantastic Four movie with FOX than we'd ever get with Marvel Studios/Disney.

I'm predicting an announcement/greenlight for the film the moment they wrap Wolverine.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't see FOX letting go of the Fantastic Four. Too much money to be made. Same goes for Daredevil.

Its not like Lions Gate with The Punisher where they weren't making any money off the character at all.

Both Fantastic Four movies made FOX decent money. Daredevil and Elektra I'm sure the studio blames on Mark Steven Johnson & Rob Bowman.

Last word on the reboot came in January, confirming Michael Green's screenplay is still in play & Josh Trank was being considered as a director after Chronicle.

Personally, I think Trank's not a bad choice, nor is he the best choice.

As long as they go the Matthew Vaughn/Rupert Wyatt route, we'll get a better Fantastic Four movie with FOX than we'd ever get with Marvel Studios/Disney.

I'm predicting an announcement/greenlight for the film the moment they wrap Wolverine.

except fox didn't earn "that much" money off the first two films.. so right now, economically speaking.. the fantastic four are pretty far from a gold mine. They were both considered flops by critics and the studio alike.

not to mention... the moment they "wrap up" wolverine... there rights (if they are indeed the 6year contract) will be about up.

I'd be really shocked if Fox actually gets around to this. That being Said... we should be getting info about Elektra and Daredevil soon as well. The daredevil rights musn't be on the 6 year rule.. or they'd be up. it's been 7 years since elektra. (unless they're up at the end of the year)

I seriously doubt these will be made though, Fox is too concentrated on there X-men franchise right now, with both wolverine and First Class 2. With that and avatar and planet of the apes sequels, they're not hurting for a new franchise.

If fox had faith in these franchises.. they would have made another film from both by now.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

except fox didn't earn "that much" money off the first two films.. so right now, economically speaking.. the fantastic four are pretty far from a gold mine. They were both considered flops by critics and the studio alike.

not to mention... the moment they "wrap up" wolverine... there rights (if they are indeed the 6year contract) will be about up.

I'd be really shocked if Fox actually gets around to this. That being Said... we should be getting info about Elektra and Daredevil soon as well. The daredevil rights musn't be on the 6 year rule.. or they'd be up. it's been 7 years since elektra. (unless they're up at the end of the year)

I seriously doubt these will be made though, Fox is too concentrated on there X-men franchise right now, with both wolverine and First Class 2. With that and avatar and planet of the apes sequels, they're not hurting for a new franchise.

If fox had faith in these franchises.. they would have made another film from both by now.

I disagree.

It took WB 8 years to get a new Batman film off the ground, and nearly 20 with Superman.

Sony's new Spider Man & Ghost Rider movies come 5 years after the last outings for the characters and Man of Steel comes out 7 years after Superman Returns.

By next summer (which is when I expect FOX to begin shooting Fantastic Four) it will have been only 6 years since Rise of The Silver Surfer.

Also, they've had Daredevil shelved for almost a decade now & are still moving forward with David Slade's reboot.

I don't see them letting go of any of these franchises. They're just doing things right this time & taking their time, putting all the pieces together.

Their upcoming batch of summer films works well with the idea of these reboots too:

2013:

-The Wolverine (July 26)

2014:

-X-Men Second Class
-Planet of The Apes 2

2015:

-Avatar 2
-Daredevil
-Fantastic Four

 

[marvelrobbins]

If fox keep the X-Men First Class/Rise of the Planet of the Apes quality going I am fine with them rebooting Fantastic Four and Daredevil themselves.I generaly don't like reboots
but since like the Sam Rami Spider-Man trilogy I don't value fantastic four as highly as I do the Bryan Singer X-Men films.The best Marvel studios film In my oporon was the one that was least successful The Incredible Hulk.I have a feeling we will see the fantastic Four reboot In summer 2015.After the first Class sequel they will need another comic book film tentpole for 2015.And as I have said on X-Men board Marvel Is so obsessed with Avengers related films If they got fantastic four and daredevil back who knows when we would actully see those films.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I think the film should start with them in College showing Victor's relationship with Reed his accident and him getting expelled.Then it should go into a Fantastic Four Origin or story that leads into a battle with another villain(Mole Man,Puppet Master,Red Ghost,Someone like that)With Doom being saved until the sequel.That would work best imo.

 

[Artistsean]

I think if Doom isn't the main villain in the movie his college years/accident should be kept out, saved for the movie where he is the bad guy. That way you have more time for the rest of the story in that movie, like the origin or the Mole Man or whatever, and you don't have to worry about casting Dr. Doom just yet.
And, personally, I would save Doom for a later sequel. I get the feeling that if the general non comic reading public saw Dr. Doom as the bad guy in the 1st FF reboot movie they would be like, "Oh, its Dr. Doom again. I don't really want to see that movie."

Whoever the bad guy is, do you think they would have to tie into the origin? In Batman Begins Ras al Ghul tied into the origin. In Spider-Man Osborn/Green Goblin tied into the origin, and in the Spider-Man reboot the Lizard is tying into the origin. In the Hulk reboot Abomination tied into the origin sort of. Even if they don't show the full origin do you think they bad guy will have to tie into the team or their origin?

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

personally for me you dont have to show the origin, FF are so well known and famous in marvel U so play off that show the story in a news report or and i hate to say it an E online style promo

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The Fantastic Four can't have a pre-origin/college movie. That's part of the mistake in Story's films.

Its not a "young team". Its a family of superheroes.

Its really a very simple concept to adapt this group properly.

Reed Richards (DAD): Way beyond his time scientist that the world sees as a Steve Jobs figure. Late 40s to early 50s.

Ben Grimm (The Uncle): Reed's tough as nails XO, always has his back (pretty much the character Chiklis played in the first film). Late 40s to early 50s.

The Children:

Sue Storm: Reed's much younger other half that met him as a student. Intelligent but fragile & far from being an equal to Reed. Mid 20s.

Johnny Storm: Young badass, doesn't care for Reed's attempts to mentor him & resents his sister for embracing Reed's wisdom (pretty much the character Evans played in the first film). Mid 20s.

Then there's Doom: The yang to Reed's ying. Brilliant yet insane, he's what would happen if Reed became power hungry. Late 40s to early 50s.

Its all pretty simple. You get the characterization right & the family dynamic right - you get the Fantastic Four right.

You have to show the emotional pillar that Reed is for both Sue & Johnny, the way that Ben grants him much needed strength (again this was displayed in the first film) & you emphasize just how difficult it is to fight superhuman/cosmic foes when your loved ones are fighting alongside you.

The curse of the Four isn't the gifts themselves but rather the responsibility they have to use their powers to serve mankind (the plot between Andre Braugher & Reed in Rise of The Silver Surfer hinted at that a bit). Reed would much rather just have his family safe than see them in danger day and day out. But doesn't have that option. He's a hero & his crew will follow him anywhere. Because he's confident, strong & above all - weathered.

That's why you can't have a young Reed. A young "team" doesn't even make sense.