Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 5

[mr. peasant]

What's Riverrun look like anyway? Big place?

Like Winterfell (but bigger than TV Winterfell) in a greener, less dreary place and surrounded by rivers.

So, nothing like Winterfell then.

 

[Poeman]

There's a small contingent holding Storm's End. It's one of the strongest fortresses (probably the strongest) in Westeros.

You forget the Eyrie...That ***** is impregnable.

 

[Poeman]

So, nothing like Winterfell then.

Riverrun looks something like this

Spoiler

 

[Valaquen]

Just realised that they made the effort to introduce Salladhor Saan ... and then he's never seen again. A cameo during Blackwater couldn't have hurt.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Just realised that they made the effort to introduce Salladhor Saan ... and then he's never seen again. A cameo during Blackwater couldn't have hurt.

It wouldn't have hurt to give Stannis some characterized lieutenants period.

 

[DACrowe]

He didn't murder his brother, he executed a traitor.

"Birthright" or not, her dragons will kill more people than Stannis' shadows. Let's get off this "magic breaks the rules" thing anyway; there are no rules.

My original point still stands that Renly played the game much better than Stannis. Stannis sucked at the game and continues to suck at it. That's why he does something all together different in the third book, because he got his ass kicked at playing it at the end of ACOK/Season 2. He only got as far as Blackwater Bay because he used magic. Without magic, he'd be left to his own devices of winning through politics and cunning.....and he'd have been sent to the Wall a long time ago at this point in the books.

You say execution, I say murder. Otherwise, you should think the entire Stark family deserves execution for they do not recognize Stannis either. And Robert and Stannis should have both been executed for rebelling against the Targaryens. To hide behind fratricide, a crime beyond the laws of men in most cultures, by saying it was "an execution" is weak.

Just my opinion.

 

[Poeman]

Just realised that they made the effort to introduce Salladhor Saan ... and then he's never seen again. A cameo during Blackwater couldn't have hurt.

damn your right, i totally forgot about him. It would have been nice to see him be there or get blown up or something

 

[omid17]

damn you guys are right, im sure that crazy ass pirate would have kicked ass

 

[chamber-music]

A Lannister always pays his debts

 

[Kane52630]

^^^^

[YT]sJAeD1f2YnI[/YT]

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

More like "a Lannister always pads his breasts"

 

[chaseter]

It might have not been the Greyjoys, could have been the bastard that was leading the northern troops in seige.

It was the Greyjoys or how else could the 20 men go home through an army outside? Theon's sister made it seem like the castle was surrounded so her brother would run back home. If he stayed, he would have died by Robb. Theon obviously wanted to fight so they clocked him on the head and left after burning Winterfell - my guess.

 

[Matt]

My original point still stands that Renly played the game much better than Stannis. Stannis sucked at the game and continues to suck at it. That's why he does something all together different in the third book, because he got his ass kicked at playing it at the end of ACOK/Season 2. He only got as far as Blackwater Bay because he used magic. Without magic, he'd be left to his own devices of winning through politics and cunning.....and he'd have been sent to the Wall a long time ago at this point in the books.

You say execution, I say murder. Otherwise, you should think the entire Stark family deserves execution for they do not recognize Stannis either. And Robert and Stannis should have both been executed for rebelling against the Targaryens. To hide behind fratricide, a crime beyond the laws of men in most cultures, by saying it was "an execution" is weak.

Just my opinion.

Spidey-Bat's point seems to contradict itself. "Renly doesn't know how to play the game....but the only reason he has support is because he allied with the Tyrells." I'd say that having the foresight to ally with the Tyrells in order to build the biggest army is playing the game pretty damn well.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

You forget the Eyrie...That ***** is impregnable.

Bronn could impregnate the *****

My original point still stands that Renly played the game much better than Stannis. Stannis sucked at the game and continues to suck at it. That's why he does something all together different in the third book, because he got his ass kicked at playing it at the end of ACOK/Season 2. He only got as far as Blackwater Bay because he used magic. Without magic, he'd be left to his own devices of winning through politics and cunning.....and he'd have been sent to the Wall a long time ago at this point in the books.

If Renly was better at the game he would still be alive. If he really wanted to win, he would have supported Stannis and then plotted his assassination. Stannis was losing the game but he's learned of a more meaningful way to win the throne.

You say execution, I say murder. Otherwise, you should think the entire Stark family deserves execution for they do not recognize Stannis either.

Only Robb. Renly was beyond forgiveness, he betrayed his brother and his king.

And Robert and Stannis should have both been executed for rebelling against the Targaryens.

No because they won the war. It's like Littlefinger said, it's only treason if you lose.

Spidey-Bat's point seems to contradict itself. "Renly doesn't know how to play the game....but the only reason he has support is because he allied with the Tyrells." I'd say that having the foresight to ally with the Tyrells in order to build the biggest army is playing the game pretty damn well.

He thought he knew how to play which is why he sucked up to the Tyrells for support. As we saw, it takes more than a large army to survive long.

 

[Boom]

Um, yeah. That White Walker was ****ing awesome.

 

[Poeman]

http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/Game+Thrones+Iron+Throne+yours/6738383/story.html

you guys want to own the iron throne? gonna cost $30k

 

[corby]

It was the Greyjoys or how else could the 20 men go home through an army outside? Theon's sister made it seem like the castle was surrounded so her brother would run back home. If he stayed, he would have died by Robb. Theon obviously wanted to fight so they clocked him on the head and left after burning Winterfell - my guess.

Remember the forces outside the wall were being led by Ramsay Snow. Robb ordered that if they surrendered, Theon's troops would be allowed to safely go back to the Iron Islands. Considering what the book fans have said in this thread about Ramsay's character traits, I don't think it's implausible that he set Winterfell on fire after the Theon's troops surrendered.

 

[DACrowe]

Only Robb. Renly was beyond forgiveness, he betrayed his brother and his king.

So in short, you'd root on the show if they met for Stannis to murder Robb with infidelity shadow babies? Because that's exactly what you are arguing.

No because they won the war. It's like Littlefinger said, it's only treason if you lose.

Thus, Stannis's claim only goes so far as how he can win? Which ACOK/S2 shows he really can't. But hey at least he murdered his brother. And that's anothe reason he's a hypocrite and suffers from his own pride.

Just admit he's not perfect and is not a purely noble character. The only ones who could fit that descrpition were Ned Stark and maybe Davos who only survives in this world by his wits.

He thought he knew how to play which is why he sucked up to the Tyrells for support. As we saw, it takes more than a large army to survive long.

Oh really? I seem to recall that the Lannisters also have sucked up to the Tyrells and sold them the Queenship (like Renly) and still have the Iron Throne. Meanwhile, Stannis has his tail between his legs.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The difference between Ned and Stannis, is that they both have principles, but Stannis is willing to cross the line from time to time. That's why he's alive, and Ned isn't.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Um, yeah. That White Walker was ****ing awesome.

Yeah it was!

Spoiler

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/Game+Thrones+Iron+Throne+yours/6738383/story.html

you guys want to own the iron throne? gonna cost $30k

But all I have to buy it is FIRE and BLOOD!

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yeah it was!

Spoiler

The White Walker aka Zombie Neil Young

 

[Boom]

The White Walker in the Season One opener is just embarrassing to look at now. Thank God it's only on screen for a second or two.

 

[Speedball]

http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/Game+Thrones+Iron+Throne+yours/6738383/story.html

you guys want to own the iron throne? gonna cost $30k

I'm still waiting for it to finally cut Joffrey. It apparently would cut the Mad King Aerys all the time.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

So in short, you'd root on the show if they met for Stannis to murder Robb with infidelity shadow babies? Because that's exactly what you are arguing.

I've never been a Robb fan so I wouldn't care.

Thus, Stannis's claim only goes so far as how he can win? Which ACOK/S2 shows he really can't. But hey at least he murdered his brother. And that's anothe reason he's a hypocrite and suffers from his own pride.

Stannis has the rightful (ie lawful) claim to the throne, he's just in the position where he has to fight for it.

Renly did deserve to die. He was betraying his older brother and his king, he knew the risks but thought his larger army would always be able to protect him.

Just admit he's not perfect and is not a purely noble character. The only ones who could fit that descrpition were Ned Stark and maybe Davos who only survives in this world by his wits.

I have said he isn't perfect.

Oh really? I seem to recall that the Lannisters also have sucked up to the Tyrells and sold them the Queenship (like Renly) and still have the Iron Throne. Meanwhile, Stannis has his tail between his legs.

The Tyrells are the ones sucking up to the Lannisters. They bailed them out at Blackwater to make up for allying with Renly earlier (and the Targaryens back during Robert's Rebellion). The Lannisters still control King's Landing.

Stannis may be down but he's not out. You've read A Storm of Swords, and he has bigger plans in A Dance with Dragons.

The difference between Ned and Stannis, is that they both have principles, but Stannis is willing to cross the line from time to time. That's why he's alive, and Ned isn't.

I think Ned and Stannis are great examples to use in D&D character alignment. Ned is Lawful Good, basically a saint. Stannis is Lawful Neutral, he may do things that could be considered evil, but he always operates within the law. Killing Renly may have been evil but he had every right to do so because Renly was a traitor.