Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 7

[Roose Bolton]

Kinslaying is the worst offense in Westerosi culture. There's a saying "No man is as cursed in the eyes of gods and men as the kinslayer." He probably would have lost even more men for committing that sort of an act.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion? By what right?"

Loved that they kept that line.

Ive really felt for Jamie this season, but that particular line harkened back to the Prince Charming lookalike a-hole that I loved to hate in season 1.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

So, if a Lord or King's relative commit a crime punishable of death, he/she is spared ?
Example, let's say that Ned is still alive and Jon breaks his Night Watch oath, Ned would have spared him ?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sure but not the heads of too inbreed Lannister that are background characters.

If Robb was so honorable and a true King he would have killed his mother for her betrayal but no, let's just behead one of his most powerful ally for the death of 2 kids.
He also acted dishonorably by marring "Miss Chaplin" because he was blinded by lust while Karstak ( spelling ? ) was by revenge.
Robb must think first and act accordingly.

Why do you assume they are inbred? Why would that even matter?

And please, his mother killed no one and that is the huge difference. She didn't slaughter children like a crazy fool.

Robb's dishonor is his dishonor. But it is far from murdering children.

So, if a Lord or King's relative commit a crime punishable of death, he/she is spared ?
Example, let's say that Ned is still alive and Jon breaks his Night Watch oath, Ned would have spared him ?

You think Ned Stark would cut off his son's head?

Ned, like all the Starks, has shown that honor is above all. Except one's love for their family.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

That was my point, Stark honor is fine as long as it doesn't apply to the family.
The law is clear, you break your Watcher oath, your head role. If that doesn't apply to every Watchers, there is no law.
You can't play the honorable leader if you are selective in the way you apply it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That was my point, Stark honor is fine as long as it doesn't apply to the family.
The law is clear, you break your Watcher oath, your head role. If that doesn't apply to every Watchers, there is no law.
You can't play the honorable leader if you are selective in the way you apply it.

Except it applies to everyone is Westeros, or at least anyone with honor. You don't cut off your own kin's head. It is actually the honorable thing. Morality matters. You would kill yourself before you killed your kin.

Tywin is a boss. What makes him disgusting is how he treats his kin.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The law makes no sense then.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You don't kill your own blood. Makes sense to me.

If a lord or King's relative were to commit some horrible crime then they would still be punished in some way or another but they wouldn't be killed. Likely they'd get sent to the Night's Watch or something like that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You don't kill your own blood. Makes sense to me.

If a lord or King's relative were to commit some horrible crime then they would still be punished in some way or another but they wouldn't be killed. Likely they'd get sent to the Night's Watch or something like that.

Like Jorah.

 

[Kaleb]

holy crap I just learnt that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is popstars Lily Allens brother

this song makes so much sense now

 

[RockSP]

Kinslaying is the worst offense in Westerosi culture. There's a saying "No man is as cursed in the eyes of gods and men as the kinslayer." He probably would have lost even more men for committing that sort of an act.

Read this post having not read the previous page and was like is he forgetting the "g"?

 

[Rowsdower!]

holy crap I just learnt that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is popstars Lily Allens brother

this song makes so much sense now

Oh sh**, I never realized he was that guy. He used to date Jaime Winstone (who I've been obsessed with since Donkey Punch). Lucky bastard.

 

[chamber-music]

I knew Alfie was lily's brother. Alfie Allen and his dad Keith Allen were also villains in one of the those Frankie Muniz Agent Cody Banks movies.

You can watch Alfie Allen sing War (what is it good for?) t:

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[Ramsay Snow]

I get Robb's decision - he's the King that lost the North. By taking Casterly Rock, he'd make Tywin the Hand/Warden that lost the South - so that's pretty smart. However, I get that the Freys have a big army, but allying with them after he screwed them over? Robb must think he has something to offer them but if he doesn't, then I don't think he's doing well with that alliance.

I speculate that Robb will lose the war and take the black.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I think by the time Robb lose or win the war, the Night Watch will be completely destroyed by either the Wildlings or the White Walkers.

 

[DawnWarrior]

On that subject, I'm trying to understand: Mance knows how much of an immediate threat the White Walkers are, probably better than the Watch (though they've gotten clued in). So what does attacking the Watch at the Wall gain him? Shouldn't he be seeking an alliance with them so they can fight the wights together?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Robb routinely makes bad decisions. Typically what happens is that every one of his entourage advises a certain course of action and he does the opposite. I haven't read the books, but given the tone of the rest of the show, it is going to bite him hard one of these days. He's like Joffrey in a way. Both of them act without regards to the long term consequences.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The mutual distrust and hate between Wildlings and the Southerners are too great I think.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I think by the time Robb lose or win the war, the Night Watch will be completely destroyed by either the Wildlings or the White Walkers.

If only Sam sent the damn ravens. If someone sends the ravens, then I'm sure someone could help. I wonder if the Tyrells would believe in all this. Would Stannis do something but then he's a puppet right now - kind of. Someone has to send the ravens, damn it.

On that subject, I'm trying to understand: Mance knows how much of an immediate threat the White Walkers are, probably better than the Watch (though they've gotten clued in). So what does attacking the Watch at the Wall gain him? Shouldn't he be seeking an alliance with them so they can fight the wights together?

I think he thinks that they stand no chance against the White Walkers. So they want to bust through Castle Black and the Wall and then find a new home beyond the wall.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

That's how I interpreted it. They are just looking to survive another day at this point. The Night Watch is so weakened, they wouldn't be much help anyways. If help is coming, it will have to be from the South.

 

[Poeman]

Jon Snow...Now you know...Now you know.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Does anyone thing it was a good decision?

He lost a huge chunk of his army, and for what? Two Lannister kids.

He should have just imprisoned Karstark. Or sent him home.

Though it all went downhill when he went back on his word, and married that girl.

It's amazing Starks live as long as they do.

Two innocent boys. This is a moral dilemma. As in do you have any or not.

You people really are something. Just two kids.

He had every right to execute to Karstark. Karstark had been openly defiant leading up to that point and completely irrational since Jaime killed his son. He killed two children who were prisoners of war in cold blood. Did anyone else not notice that he killed the Tully guards (their allies)?

Of course, the politically wise move would have been to imprison him and essentially hold him hostage so that the Karstark bannermen would have stayed. But Robb has made mistakes since day one.

He should have allied with Stannis because Ned died for his claim to the throne. Instead, he let his men declare him King. He shouldn't have trusted the Greyjoys since it cost him the North, he shouldn't have broken his promise to Walder Frey, etc.

So, if a Lord or King's relative commit a crime punishable of death, he/she is spared ?
Example, let's say that Ned is still alive and Jon breaks his Night Watch oath, Ned would have spared him ?

A King has the power to pardon anyone, a lord does not (they can probably ask the King for a pardon). If Jon or Benjen deserted the Night's Watch, Ned would have executed them. They forsook their family when they took the oath.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

That's how I interpreted it. They are just looking to survive another day at this point. The Night Watch is so weakened, they wouldn't be much help anyways. If help is coming, it will have to be from the South.

I think Robb should quit his war and go North to help. Then this would win him more respect for helping out - he really needs more stuff like that after his mistake of breaking the wedding pact. The if he triumphs, he can amass a great force and march South.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Karstark deserved execution, but that doesn't mean that politically it was a good move. Robb immediately lost half his army by doing that. His entourage was right, he should have imprisoned him and promised the Karstarks that he wouldn't be harmed in exchange for their continued support.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

True, but then wouldn't this give other people impunity to kill more Lannister hostages? Even Karstark was mocking him that he'd only get a scolding. Of course, it was still a bad move but Karstark's attitude was unbearable to me, even though he's lost his sons.

But still, yeah, Robb's paying for that.