Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 1

[arman200]

It is fanboy rage.


The changes are made to distinguish ARROW as it's own thing and seperate from anything that came before.


We knew this from the get-go. This is a real-world re-imaginging of the comics character.


In fact, if this concept is good.. I hope the comics change and adapt to reflect this show. The New 52 GA sucks.

No, it really isn't. And it's really not separating itself from anything, if it's essentially Green Arrow Year one mixed with Iron Man. Besides, I never complained about the way it seems to be handled so far. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of it. Especially, I'm glad they're bringing in the internal monologue. That's something from the comics that a lot of adaptations throw away.

All I've said is there's no logical reason to change his name in the series from Green Arrow to Arrow. I don't mind the title change, and if this was fanboy rage, I'd swear off the series altogether(which I'm not going to do, in fact, I'll probably end up at the pilot screening in SDCC). Thing is, it would probably even behoove them to keep the name Green Arrow. Because A. it sounds more like a superhero, and that's obviously big now, and B. Smallville fans will most likely jump onboard to see the character's return.

 

[Mikelus]

The issues I have are that Ollie seems to have a really bland personality in this, and also:

Spoiler

DID HE SNAP THAT DUDE'S NECK? Because that should be a no-no.

OMG, he's so bland!

No, he's not! Stephen Amell said in an interview that he plays 4 different Ollies in the pilot:

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Hoping the show delivers good stories, which is the hardest thing to do consistently, the action scenes seem pretty cool so far.

 

[Savage]

Whether or not Ollie's bland is to be seen. What was shown in the trailers have just not been enough to judge if he's the loudmouthed, witty, opinionated character that we're used to. So far all we've seen is a man on a mission. I'm holding a wait and see attitude before I judge.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Mah tv show proposal

The Dark Knight Supremacy Beginsville: Grittier Edition

After floating in the water unconscious, Jason Bourne Oliver Queen goes on a soul searching journey (tv budget yooo), because of his parent's dad's unjust died. He gets mentored and trained by Henri Ducard Deathstroke. After a falling out with Ducard Deathstroke, he returns to western civilization ready to be a symbol for Gotham Starling City . Because he is a badass now.

His symbol? Bat Arrow

But in order to hide his awesomeness he pretends to be Playboy Bruce Oliver. We also learn Gotham Starling City is still utterly ****** (and gritty). And lots of **** goes down.

Treadstone Secret Uber Cabal of Badguys starts hunting Jason Bourne Oliver Queen. Great excuse to showcase Le Parkour and shakey cam.

Has an unofficial alliance with Lt. Gordon Detective Quentin Lance.

Bruce Wayne Oliver Queen tries to reconcile with the young idealistic assistant DA Rachel Dawes Dinah Lance. He will be an ******* to push her away from his dangerous lifestyle. Since chicks dig jerks, she will totally ignore all his god damn warnings, and fall in love with him. He will try to keep his secret from her, and completely and utterly fail.

Fight a poor man's Kingpin some skinny bald badguy as his first freak badguy of the week.

His best friend will become his arch nemesis Lex Luthor Merlyn


Take the love drama of Smallville, humor of Batman Begins and Shakey Cam of the Bourne series, we got ourselves Arrow

Do you think WB will pickup my show t:

heh..funny...

I sure as heck hope that Deathstroke wasn't his 'trainer'while he was marooned on that island, that'd be beyond cliche.

I seemed to remember an old TV series about a guy who was also forced to live alone on an island for years. After that he went back to the civilised world and used the skill that he developed while having to survive alone on that island...to fight crime.

Damn...can't remember the name of that show!

 

[solidsnake86]

No, it really isn't. And it's really not separating itself from anything, if it's essentially Green Arrow Year one mixed with Iron Man. Besides, I never complained about the way it seems to be handled so far. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of it. Especially, I'm glad they're bringing in the internal monologue. That's something from the comics that a lot of adaptations throw away.

All I've said is there's no logical reason to change his name in the series from Green Arrow to Arrow. I don't mind the title change, and if this was fanboy rage, I'd swear off the series altogether(which I'm not going to do, in fact, I'll probably end up at the pilot screening in SDCC). Thing is, it would probably even behoove them to keep the name Green Arrow. Because A. it sounds more like a superhero, and that's obviously big now, and B. Smallville fans will most likely jump onboard to see the character's return.

The thing is, his costume is still green. Smallville fans will jump on board regardless because they managed to watch that show for ten years, so I dont think dropping the green will make or break it.

 

[Rockstar]

No, it really isn't. And it's really not separating itself from anything, if it's essentially Green Arrow Year one mixed with Iron Man. Besides, I never complained about the way it seems to be handled so far. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of it. Especially, I'm glad they're bringing in the internal monologue. That's something from the comics that a lot of adaptations throw away. .

Iron Man? Arrow is basically the grounded real-world "Batman Begins"-version of Green Arrow.

They said from day one that it would be a reinterpretation of the comic character in this new context.

We're getting what they promised.

All I've said is there's no logical reason to change his name in the series from Green Arrow to Arrow. I don't mind the title change, and if this was fanboy rage, I'd swear off the series altogether(which I'm not going to do, in fact, I'll probably end up at the pilot screening in SDCC). Thing is, it would probably even behoove them to keep the name Green Arrow. Because A. it sounds more like a superhero, and that's obviously big now, and B. Smallville fans will most likely jump onboard to see the character's return.

Because "Arrow" also sounds less comicbook-y than "Green Arrow"

They're trying to seperate themselves from the stigma of the comicbooks.

The thing is, his costume is still green. Smallville fans will jump on board regardless because they managed to watch that show for ten years, so I dont think dropping the green will make or break it.

**** Smallville fans.


This show deserves a better audience than them, and really shouldn't be for them.

I noticed Craig on Ksite is already starting to instigate them into shippers wars for Arrow.

 

[arman200]

Iron Man? Arrow is basically the grounded real-world "Batman Begins"-version of Green Arrow.

They said from day one that it would be a reinterpretation of the comic character in this new context.

We're getting what they promised.





Because "Arrow" also sounds less comicbook-y than "Green Arrow"

They're trying to seperate themselves from the stigma of the comicbooks.





**** Smallville fans.


This show deserves a better audience than them, and really shouldn't be for them.

I noticed Craig on Ksite is already starting to instigate them into shippers wars for Arrow.

Yeah, Iron Man. The whole "selfish billionaire turned into a moral vigilante through a near-death experience" is the plot to the Green Arrow comics, but it's also the exact plot of Iron Man. So it's not exactly true to say that this interpretation is completely different from anything we've seen before. And yeah, we're getting what they promised, which again, I have stated I have no problem with.

The thing is, the only stigma from the comic books is coming from the crappy run they have with the new 52. The general audience isn't exactly reading comic books, so they're not going to be turned off by that. They like superheroes, they like archers apparently too, so why not play up the Superhero archer aspect?

You're really against getting viewers for a show that you're defending. This is a business that's looking to get viewers, and if it's a good show it should be seen by as many people as possible, right? You can't have some elitist attitude and say "oh, we don't want those guys to watch the show, it deserves better fans". I'm not saying the show should be written for them, and I hope it isn't, but by adding one word to a character's name, a word that was originally part of said character's name, you're getting those viewers based solely on name recognition alone.

 

[solidsnake86]

You're really against getting viewers for a show that you're defending. This is a business that's looking to get viewers, and if it's a good show it should be seen by as many people as possible, right? You can't have some elitist attitude and say "oh, we don't want those guys to watch the show, it deserves better fans". I'm not saying the show should be written for them, and I hope it isn't, but by adding one word to a character's name, a word that was originally part of said character's name, you're getting those viewers based solely on name recognition alone.

Smallville fans obviously werent tuning in for the comic book aspect so to say adding the green will make them watch is reaching, a lot.

I also think those fans are smart enough to realize its the same character just by seeing his costume. I mean if they really wanted smallville viewer they would have recast hartley, they didnt.

 

[Prison Mike]

Because "Arrow" also sounds less comicbook-y than "Green Arrow"

They're trying to seperate themselves from the stigma of the comicbooks.

that's ridiculous. why even have a green arrow show in that case? why not just have a jason bourne show? you want to have a show based on the comic book characters yet get away from all the comic book elements? makes no sense to me.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya deathstroke I think looks wise would be ideally think of sg/sga mission outfits. Go with a full black military outfit. Then as I said shoulder/leg padding with a kevlar bullet proof vest. And what ever weapons they choose to have him use. And the mask he wears could be more for fear tactic then full pratical use.

Then as for arrows ya since we are getting short/long arrows. And like I said before with the bomb arrow we saw in extended clip. I see no reason why we won't get or see some tick arrows in the show. Like I said the most pratical arrows are knockout gas, a taser arrow, a emp arrow and some sort of netting arrow/rope arrow to tie folks up.

As for killings I do agree he shouldn't be killing everyone left and right. Hopefully ollie post pilot sees he can't be judge jury and excutor all in one. And only takes someone out as a last resort.

As for dakkon I am still happy pilot did inclue a ga villain even if he ends up being a minor guy. I just don't want to see them off him in pilot. He would be a good starting off hitman guy to use in a few episodes. And he could be hired out by x badguy of the episode.

Now as for mask related stuff for ollie. I do hope they won't just stick with eyepaint. Personally I don't see that being a good pratical way to hide identity much. For me like I posted a few pages ago would ideally modify a safety goggle/swimmer goggle, or one of those eye goggles for pilots/motorcycle drivers and there you go. A lot more better id cover. And fits in the comment amell made about wanting the costume to be a pratical more real feeling.

Great arrow is having a screening at comic con. I hope they do a panel too. I too would like to hsve some folks call him green arrow from time to time. Maybe it will get tossed in from time to time. As for just calling him arrow I can see them wanting to change thing around. Also like I said don't most villains/heores from time to time just call him arrow?

As for star city rename I still don't see why they needed to change it. My guess is either the producers wanted to put there own stamp on things. Like keeping his mom alive, and giving him a sister. Or maybe dc/wb where getting a little prissy over rights stuff. Could be a simple reason as that.

 

[Paradox1]

I've seen other message boards and many smallville fans do not like the Arrow regardless. Not because of any real logical rationale they just don't like that it's not spinoff and Hartley wasn't recast. It's a new vision and which looks and has been recieved very well. Whether it's Arrow or GA who cares. The arrows he shoots are still green.

 

[arman200]

Smallville fans obviously werent tuning in for the comic book aspect so to say adding the green will make them watch is reaching, a lot.

I also think those fans are smart enough to realize its the same character just by seeing his costume. I mean if they really wanted smallville viewer they would have recast hartley, they didnt.

No, Jesus christ, are you guys kidding me? They weren't tuning in for the comic book aspect, but Green Arrow was obviously a popular character, because he was a constantly re-occurring character. It's not reaching to say that those same people would tune in, knowing the character was returning.

And not necessarily. His design is totally based on Robin Hood, so they could just as easily miss the connection. Assuming the audience is so easily confused that they can't differentiate Green Lantern from Green Hornet, then apparently we got an audience that won't draw that connection. Besides, you guys realize in both of my posts, I never said the whole show should be based around the smallville fans. I specifically said that wasn't my stance. But by changing his name, you could get some of those fans.

Again, to clarify: They don't need to cater to Smallville fans, but it's safe to assume the fans who made him a main character in a show that wasn't his in any regard, will return for a show that is based entirely around him. And to keep his name intact would be to ensure there's no confusion for said people.

 

[arman200]

I've seen other message boards and many smallville fans do not like the Arrow regardless. Not because of any real logical rationale they just don't like that it's not spinoff and Hartley wasn't recast. It's a new vision and which looks and has been recieved very well. Whether it's Arrow or GA who cares. The arrows he shoots are still green.

This was a simple point that was blown out of proportion. Smallville fans be damned, I just don't understand the change. Yeah, he's basically the same dude, but as I've said before, there's no logic behind that decision. It's changing something for the sake of change. I'm just saying, it'd probably even benefit them to keep the name as Green Arrow. You're essentially tip-toeing around his name, like when they called Clark "the blur". You're almost there, just say Green Arrow, is it really that hard?

 

[Sawyer]

Are you really saying that "Arrow" and "Green Arrow" are as different as "The Blur" and "Superman"? Because if so....

 

[arman200]

Are you really saying that "Arrow" and "Green Arrow" are as different as "The Blur" and "Superman"? Because if so....

No, obviously not. I'm saying it's tip-toeing around, and almost as annoying because you're so close to the actual name, you might as well use it.

 

[3dman27]

that's ridiculous. why even have a green arrow show in that case? why not just have a jason bourne show? you want to have a show based on the comic book characters yet get away from all the comic book elements? makes no sense to me.

point well taken

 

[Webhead2006]

Well maybe if they have a panel at comic con some fans can ask the producers some question on the whole just going by arrow.

 

[chris moore]

Does anyone refer to him as Green Arrow in the comics? Not as a far as I know. It's either Ollie, Arrow, or GA. Villains tend to go with Arrow. Green Arrow is more a name that the media would put out there. Something-man is one the individual comes up with but has to work with the theme (and Arrowman doesn't). Green isn't a title like Detective, Doctor, or Professor for people to yell out or say in a sinister way to make it seem like they have the upper hand when confronted by the hero. And how many people do you address by their first and last names?

Of course, I'm not saying he should be referred to as The Arrow, like The Blur, The Phantom, The Spider etc. Maybe over the course of time as he becomes more known to the public, the media will dub him Green Arrow because it's catchier for headlines (depending on whether they want to present him as a hero or a menace. The Arrow makes him sound more dangerous than Green Arrow)

There are arguments for both sides, and I would have loved it if it had been called Green Arrow from a comic fan's point of view. But to grab an audience, the shorter version is fine with me.

 

[Rockstar]

that's ridiculous. why even have a green arrow show in that case? why not just have a jason bourne show? you want to have a show based on the comic book characters yet get away from all the comic book elements? makes no sense to me.

Because they're trying to create something better than the comic books.

They're trying to take the source material and bring it up to a whole new level.

Whether these guys have the talent to do so is another question.


This is their own spin on Green Arrow. They've called him "Arrow" to nail that point home.

 

[solidsnake86]

that's ridiculous. why even have a green arrow show in that case? why not just have a jason bourne show? you want to have a show based on the comic book characters yet get away from all the comic book elements? makes no sense to me.

I think comic books have strong concepts for characters, but a lot can be left open to interpretation. I mean look at the GA character. In his what, 40 years of publication, people can only point to year one and the grell run as good to great stories. That says a lot about the character.

I think its no surprise they are forging their own path with this show because lets face it, Green Arrow in the comics has been less than stellar. So for me I don't really care if they adhere to story lines in the comics for the sake of doing it when it isn't that great to begin with.

 

[MadVillainy]

The only thing I see that I dont like so far are
-It's not a movie (but that doesnt really speak to the show
-No mask yet
-Being called Arrow

But those are 3 minor, if not miniscule, complaints. I actually think this show looks surprisingly really well made and interesting

 

[Rockstar]

It think what it also came down to is that "Arrow" is a more marketable title.

"Green Arrow" sounds campy, like a comicbook. The show probably doesn't want to limit it's audience.

 

[Destructus86]

I find it annoying he doesn't have a mask...the hood doesn't really hide his face so any camera would spot him and reveal who he is.

Not to mention the first time he gets up close to a bad guy they will be like "Hey! I know you!"

 

[Primal Slayer]

Thats why they should just have the media start calling him Green Arrow while he would still go by Arrow.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally chris I don't really mind if he is just nicknamed arrow by thugs and police and all that. And in time they can call him green arrow through media/tabloids and all that. We are just seeing things from pilot. And who knows what will change/evolve during the show itself.

As for mask I still think they could play it he forgoes it here at the start. Since he isn't really worried about his id. But once he has to face the cops, and crooks head on. He sees he needs some mask. And then like I pointed out before they can go motorcycle eye goggles/swimmer/safety goggle like design. Its pratical and could work as a realistic thing.