Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 2

[Nathan]

I didn't really follow the production of this too closely. And overall I just felt indifferent about the show. But seeing how badass Deathstroke looks, I'm going to watch this show right away. So looking forward to his appearance. Do we already know who will be under the mask? Whoever they got, hopefully he can channel the awesomeness of Teen Titan's Slade.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Yes, Miyamoto was trained by his father at a young age but Musashi didn't utilize what his father tried to instill into his style, and it still doesn't change the fact that Musashi threw himself into the woods and trained endlessly for years (creating his two-sword style). His technique was never dependent on his father's lessons.

I refuse to believe that he came out of the woods after having fought nothing but trees and won every subsequent duel he had from that point forward strictly from common sense. There has to be 'error' in 'trial and error'.

I'm waiting for the part where his mythic status was based on fabrication. The fact is Hanzo's legend grew for what he was able to do, not say. His feats still remain impressive.

So you're saying you believe he could actually use supernatural abilities to disappear and appear at will?

Whether you chose to believe or not, that's on you, but until you can prove it, I could say the same thing.

I can absolutely prove that no one who has ever become a UFC champion did so without first a) training with other opponents and b) getting beaten at least once (not necessarily professionally).

Incidentally, Rich Franklin and Mirko Cro Cop got their starts in MMA/Kickboxing from movies and instructional videos. They eventually joined gyms/dojos but the point is they both were without teachers at some point.

I learned my initial Aikido forms and later Wing Chun from books but I sure wouldn't have been able to effectively use anything that I 'learned' in a real fight without first having to test my skills and no doubt get beaten first.

Trial-And-Error.

I got by butt handed to me on several occasions before I started to do the butt whooping myself. I'll admit it, but I can proudly say I never had a sensei to teach me proper form or how to execute a sweep or hip throw without a GI. Other aspects were common sense (like attempting submissions on a cement surface).

With this and other statements you've made in this thread I don't really know what we're arguing about. I initially stated that Ollie could not have learned his fighting skills on that island without someone to teach him or at the very least someone to work his theroy out on and realize many errors first before coming back to the mainland and defeating those bad guys like he did. It seems your position is that Ollie could have gotten stranded on the island with no prior combat training, run around doing flips, kicks and punches with no one else around, then come back to America and with no previous trial and error proceeded to dispatch the bad guy's henchmen in such a deadly and efficient manner. I say that notion is preposterous. You yourself said you got beaten before you started to win. That is how it goes. You learn thru defeat. You don't go fight imaginary foes and then come in and start dominating without tasting defeat first.

Trial-and-Error is impossible to avoid, but a warrior like Musashi didn't challenge amateurs. Most of his opponents were notorious swordsmen and martial artists with reputations -- the best of the best of Japan. So he didn't have 'warm ups' prior to fighting these top-tier warriors, nor did he have them when he participated in the great war as a teen.

One of 2 things: He was either the exception to the rule or his stories have been embelished over the hundreds of years they have been told. If he truly never got beaten, he is the exception to the rule and corrected his error on the fly while avoiding said error costing him his life. Because as you said, it is impossible to avoid.

This is speculation, however. We don't know yet if Deathstroke was his mentor, or his rival.

True but you have to use some common sense. Let's say he is his rival from the get go. Slade doesn't have qualms about killing. He is an assassin. And with the analogy above it is safe to say that if he and Ollie fought, Ollie with no real-world combat experience, Slade would have beaten him and therefore killed him. The only caveat I could see to this (and this is likely what happened) he beat Ollie and then offered him a choice - death or be trained as an assassin. Very similar to BB but there you go.

We'll see, but I don't necessarily disagree. Ollie's origin sort of has been written, per se. So, naturally, we can predict how Ollie acquired his combat prowless. Now whether Slade was a seasoned veteran when they met, that remains to be seen.

I'm going to say yet again common sense would dictate that Slade was already well-trained simply due to the fact that he must have already taken the role of his alter ego hense the mask. I doubt someone with little to no combat training would be walking around wearing that mask and pronouncing themself Deathstroke.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Tiny nitpick, but I wouldn't mind if the orange on the mask was a shade or two darker. It almost looks yellow. Then again, maybe that's just the lighting...

It's the lighting. If you saw the pilot, you saw the mask in the first few minutes and it was just the right color.

 

[The Guard]

Cool, I love Helena, she's a great character. Shame DC replaced her with Helena Wayne in the DCnU.

This is funny for so many reasons.

Solid pilot for ARROW. The acting is about what you'd expect from a CW show (secondary), but it was always going to be, and is ok despite that. The action is quite good. The “superhero moments” work pretty well. They've built a fairly compelling story thus far, and it's definitely worth giving it a shot. Amell makes a decent leading man, but his voiceover work leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[The Question]

The voice over really felt like a last minute decision because they were scared the audience wouldn't get it. None of the scenes with voice over actually needed it, all of the information we needed was conveyed visually.

 

[Artistsean]

This is funny for so many reasons.

Solid pilot for ARROW. The acting is about what you'd expect from a CW show (secondary), but it was always going to be, and is ok despite that. The action is quite good. The “superhero moments” work pretty well. They've built a fairly compelling story thus far, and it's definitely worth giving it a shot. Amell makes a decent leading man, but his voiceover work leaves a lot to be desired.

The actor who plays Queen is pretty good. The whole episode he had this silent and still feeling where he didn't do much but showed a lot of emotion, like feeling sad and unable to cope with his experience on the island or angry. It was a real change when he started pretending to be a rich jerk again.

I think the yellow on the mask is bright because they sort of film things through a grainy lens and maybe the still image wasn't shot with that lens. They maybe want that yellow to pop out in the grain. I agree the voice overs were probably done to make sure the audience got it, leaving nothing to chance. Its like when a show points out something to make sure the audience understands, like on Psyche when they light up the clue. They could just show the clue but how do they know the audience understands its the cell phone and not the notepad next to the cell phone. Anyway,
I thought the show was good, could have been better at times. But still good.

I know they want to distance the show from Smallville and Avengers. He could have, and probably would have, had special sunglasses like Ollie in Smallville if it wasn't for that show. And because he was called Green Arrow on the show they wont and don't cal him Green Arrow. And maybe because of the Avengers with Hawkeye's trick arrows Queen doesn't use trick arrows. And didn't Ollie in Smallville use trick arrows?

What did you guys think of the level of violence in the show? Arrow [BLACKOUT]killing people[/BLACKOUT] the way he did? [BLACKOUT]Snapping a neck, killing them with arrows. [/BLACKOUT]Should he be that dark? In the comics he uses trick arrows and it was a big story when he [BLACKOUT]started killing in Cry for Justice[/BLACKOUT].
My thinking is that as he adjusts to life back home, and gets better, he could stop the killing. Sort of like he lived on an island of violence for five years where it was kill or be killed. (my idea) Trained by a killer. And was traumatized by it all. Now he is home and his actions are violent and [BLACKOUT]deadly[/BLACKOUT]. But maybe he will grow and see that is not the way. Maybe he will come to the decision that [BLACKOUT]killing[/BLACKOUT] is not the way, not for [BLACKOUT]the bad guys he kills [/BLACKOUT]but for himself to help himself be a better person. And maybe down the line, season two or three he might start using trick arrows more.

I would love to see him wear a false goatee, like the kind Green Arrow has in the comics. To help throw off the cops. Because the man in green has a very specific goatee while Queen has none.

 

[Nathan]

I know they want to distance the show from Smallville and Avengers. He could have, and probably would have, had special sunglasses like Ollie in Smallville if it wasn't for that show.

I can understand if that's the reason, but I wonder why they didn't decide to give him some type of mask regardless. It would be much quicker than having to paint and wash his face all the time.

 

[MarvelKnight]

are they using the Luthor mansion, looks exactly the same.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Mikelus]

Deathstroke is looking really good. Far better than Deadshot, and better than Green Arrow himself in my opinion.

Arrow's suit is fine, looks better than the one in Smallville and his traditional suit. But what they have to improve is how he covers his face. Since they have a "realistic" approach, Ollie should use high tech glasses to be more efficient in the dark and a voice-muffler to protect his identity.

 

[The Question]

Arrow's suit is fine, looks better than the one in Smallville and his traditional suit. But what they have to improve is how he covers his face. Since they have a "realistic" approach, Ollie should use high tech glasses to be more efficient in the dark and a voice-muffler to protect his identity.

Those things don't exist. How is that more realistic?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

they have night vision goggles. I think that's what he was getting at.

 

[Mikelus]

Those things don't exist. How is that more realistic?

^^ Yep, realistic in terms of plausibility.

 

[Savage]

I like the painted mask and costume but naturally the costume will change over the seasons so that leaves me curious. I for one would love to see the sleeveless look and maybe a mask like the one he had right before he died. It was like a Ninja Turtle bandana.

 

[The Question]

they have night vision goggles. I think that's what he was getting at.

They're not glasses, though. They're these big bulky things that are basically small binoculars strapped to your face that would fall off if you did any real athletics or hand to hand fighting in them.

^^ Yep, realistic in terms of plausibility.

I don't know what that means. I find vaguely scientific stuff a lot less plausible than a guy who's good at doing stuff in low light.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Plausibility means something is believable. For example: Oliver Queen walked up to a crime boss not wearing a mask and not disguising his voice, despite the fact that he is a very famous playboy who just made a very public return from the dead.


That is not plausible.

However, for example, Batman's cape is made of materials that are similar to shape memory polymers. But in reality, that cape wouldn't work. So it's plausible, but not realistic.

 

[mr. peasant]

I can understand if that's the reason, but I wonder why they didn't decide to give him some type of mask regardless. It would be much quicker than having to paint and wash his face all the time.

The reason they went with the face paint, I suspect, is to evoke the 'hard shadow over the top half of the face'-look you get when cartoon/comicbook characters wear hoods, which you don't get in real life:

Overall, I am quite satisfied with the costume. It looks fairly functional - sleek yet protective without being bulky. It looks good and could easily have been much worse; especially since this being the CW. I'm just thankful that they went with a proper hood and didn't instead dress him with a keffiyeh/scoodie like some damned hipster. t:

 

[The Question]

Plausibility means something is believable. For example: Oliver Queen walked up to a crime boss not wearing a mask and not disguising his voice, despite the fact that he is a very famous playboy who just made a very public return from the dead.


That is not plausible.

Why not? It was dark, chaotic, he was wearing a hood which, in the dark covers your face a lot, and he was behaving in a very un-Oliver Queen like manner. That last one's a big part of it, how people behave goes a really long way towards recognizing them. Have you ever heard someone say that someone else is acting so strangely they barely recognize them? There's a reason for that. Most people understand that there are people who just kind of look and/or sound like other people, and don't immediately assume that someone who does actually is that person, even if they make that connection. Like, if you saw Brad Pitt working behind the counter at Starbucks wearing baggy clothes and glasses and acting like a nervous introvert with a high pitched voice, you'd probably just think he's some weirdo who kind of looks like Brad Pitt, because that's not a situation or look or behavior you'd ever associate with the guy. Because of that, Mr. First Episode Villain may not even have made a connection with Oliver Queen. When you get attacked in a dark parking garage by a guy in a green hoodie with arrows, "drunken playboy" is not the first thing that pops into your mind.

Plus theres the fact that "famous playboy" doesn't actually mean all that famous. Like, can you name a single rich party kid who didn't have a reality TV show or a royal wedding? Odds are the bad guy in question has only ever heard of Oliver Queen. Hell, when Oliver's party was brought up he seemed to barely register who it was. It would actually be kind of odd if the bad guy had been familiar enough with Oliver to recognize him under those circumstances.

Also, eyewitness information isn't especially reliable. People aren't good at remembering tiny important details during stressful situations. They're more concerned with not dying. And there's the fact that the guy playing Oliver doesn't have an especially distinctive voice.

Also I was talking about the magic night vision glasses, not the voice thing.

 

[Artistsean]

I think what they are going for with his paint mask is that he was trained to fight and use his arrow on an island without any technology. So he is more comfortable using his own eyes rather than goggle to help him see in the dark or a mask to hide his face but obscure his vision. I think he paints his face as part of his new found earthy living. He was on that island and like Tom Hanks in Cast Away he returns and the trappings of the modern world don't seem so important, maybe the mask being paint and his costume being more fabric than armor goes along with that.
And his mission seems to be specific, a list of guys to take down instead of Batman's mission that is never ending because its saving everyone at any time. His seems like its less open. So he probably isn't thinking he has to hide who he is because he wont be doing this forever.

 

[mr. peasant]

I think what they are going for with his paint mask is that he was trained to fight and use his arrow on an island without any technology. So he is more comfortable using his own eyes rather than goggle to help him see in the dark or a mask to hide his face but obscure his vision. I think he paints his face as part of his new found earthy living. He was on that island and like Tom Hanks in Cast Away he returns and the trappings of the modern world don't seem so important, maybe the mask being paint and his costume being more fabric than armor goes along with that.
And his mission seems to be specific, a list of guys to take down instead of Batman's mission that is never ending because its saving everyone at any time. His seems like its less open. So he probably isn't thinking he has to hide who he is because he wont be doing this forever.

Actually, there is a realistic reason why he wears face paint instead of a mask. Masks - especially something like a domino mask - limit vision. Not a good thing if you're planning to jump around the city rooftops looking for fights. Meanwhile, applying face paint under the eyes improves vision (reduces glare, increases contrast sensitivity).

My earlier comment explains why they went with the pattern they did since just dabbing a line under each eye would look a little silly.

 

[HighFivingMF]

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They've even talked about Connor Hawke. (Not sure how that would work, since he'd be, like, 3.) #Arrow #WBNYCC

Rather than Speedy, someone asked if Willa might be Artemis. #YoungJustice

China White's backstory is in the next issue of the #Arrow digital comic. #WBNYCC

@MsIsrael84 Some people think John Barrowman's character might be Vertigo.

"I would like General Zod to be on the show, and I would like General Zod to be played by Terence Stamp." - Stephen Amell, likely joking

Totally understand why someone might not like change, but no reason to be rude to the talent that's on stage. #Arrow #WBNYCC

Very rude audience member just told Marc Guggenheim that "Starling City" "sounds like crap." #dick #Arrow #WBNYCC

Male audience member just told Stephen Amell he's "smokin' hot" and asked to see the abs. #Arrow #WBNYCC

"If you guys reacted like you did to Deathstroke, just wait until you see [The Huntress]." - Marc Guggenheim #Arrow #WBNYCC

"Katie would look good in fishnets. Let's be honest." - Stephen Amell

Willa Holland has hinted 3 times that she wants a bow and arrow. And she'd love to see Batman. #Arrow #WBNYCC

In other words, it's a "yes" but not a "when" for when Roy Harper will show up. They have ideas, though. #Arrow #WBNYCC

"We've definitely talked about Roy [Harper] and we have a pretty cool idea for him." - @mguggenheim #Arrow #WBNYCC

(That line came from Stephen Amell @amellywood)

"Episode 9 is everything that I want for the series, because we play on the idea that Oliver is just a regular guy, and thus is vulnerable."

Geoff Johns thinks Thea Queen will become popular like #Smallville's original character Chloe Sullivan. #Arrow #WBNYCC

Stephen says that Colin Donnell is "crying in a dark room that he can't be here." @colindonnell #Arrow #WBNYCC

Guggenheim says Barrowman is incredible and magnetic, and "sort of a change agent for the show" that affects characters in diff ways. #Arrow

Guggenheim gives @AJKreisberg props for winning John Barrowman over onto doing the show. @Team_Barrowman

The salmon ladder returns in Episode 8, and there are machetes and rope climbing in Episode 2. #Arrow #WBNYCC

The Royal Flush Gang and Deathstroke appeared in that sizzle reel that had better get online soon. #Arrow #WBNYCC

Episode 3 gives hints for what Laurel "might be capable of" and where she might be headed. #Arrow #WBNYCC

Willa Holland is "ready to pick up a bow and arrow." #Arrow #WBNYCC

Longbow Hunters and Green Arrow: Year One were both huge influences on #Arrow for Marc Guggenheim. @mguggenheim #WBNYCC

The #Arrow cast is now taking the #NYCC stage to huge applause.

Bummer we can't see the sizzle reel on the #NYCC video feed. #Arrow The official live stream is here: http://bit.ly/QVwdDt

The #NYCC #Arrow panel will be streaming (legally!) here at 10AM, apparently: http://bit.ly/QVwdDt (thanks to Nick @ishighonlife!)

I hear that the #NYCC #Arrow panel will include a special video presentation previewing SEVERAL upcoming episodes... hope it gets online.

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[Killgrave]

Here's the sizzle reel.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu9QZkL-MS4

 

[Nathan]

Here's the sizzle reel.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu9QZkL-MS4

Deathstroke!

Spoiler

 

[solidsnake86]

I was just thinking that Barrowman's character might be vertigo. Great sizzle reel. Some fans really need to get over the star city thing. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The pilot was lame. I'm not convinced that the lead actor can actually act, the action scenes were poorly filmed, the storyline was dumb and silly and the show is just one big rip off of Batman Begins.

 

[Savage]

I was just thinking that Barrowman's character might be vertigo. Great sizzle reel. Some fans really need to get over the star city thing. It's not that big of a deal.

It's not but its one of hose irritating small changes that make you go "...Really?" Its like calling Smallville Smallington.

On the bright side, DEATHSTROOOOOKE!