Henry Cavill IS Superman: - - Part 11

[Project862006]

snyder is very big on attention to detail tho much more than nolan

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

That's on Nolan though. Snyder may or may not be more attentive when it comes to accent slips. Either way, Cavil's natural accent will most likely show itself if he has to shout his lines, because apparently it's incredibly hard to maintain a forged accent in a high voice.

Yeah, I finally saw Cold Light of Day, and, like you're suggesting, Cavill faltered mostly when he had to shout his lines or convey strong emotion. Otherwise, his American accent wasn't too bad. To be honest, though, there was plenty of room for improvement.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OlNOI-GNrQ

Also the fact that she bothered to impersonate Katie Holmes. Doesn't matter if it was funny, just the fact that she did it....twice, even. (The first time on a talk show, the second time on SNL.)

Btw, while searching for videos, I found reports that mentioned that critics thought her award speech at the Golden Globes sounded fake, which can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUlldx3X60c

Ah, the Internet.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

snyder is very big on attention to detail tho much more than nolan

It varies. Snyder is more detailed in the visuals department. Nolan, however, is more detailed in writing and acting department.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I finally saw Cold Light of Day, and, like you're suggesting, Cavill faltered mostly when he had to shout his lines or convey strong emotion. Otherwise, his American accent wasn't too bad. To be honest, though, there was plenty of room for improvement.

What I don't get though is his American accent was fine in Hellraiser that he did way before CLOD, but I suppose there was a lot of time between those films so he might have been out of practice. Its quite funny that he sounded almost like he had a blocked nose in CLOD that's the only way I can describe it. What little I've heard of his Superman voice he sounds perfect so I'm assuming he's had some vocal training.

 

[Batman jr.]

What I don't get though is his American accent was fine in Hellraiser that he did way before CLOD, but I suppose there was a lot of time between those films so he might have been out of practice. Its quite funny that he sounded almost like he had a blocked nose in CLOD that's the only way I can describe it. What little I've heard of his Superman voice he sounds perfect so I'm assuming he's had some vocal training.

If his English accent will get through a bit, there's always a throwback to Gordon in TDK, "oh noes, da accent!!!!!! lol lulz". Ah, 2008...

A great performance won't save Cavill.

 

[DKDetective]

That's on Nolan though. Snyder may or may not be more attentive when it comes to accent slips. Either way, Cavil's natural accent will most likely show itself if he has to shout his lines, because apparently it's incredibly hard to maintain a forged accent in a high voice.

Wasn't blaming anyone - just took that as an example of the fact that accents can slip even among the most highly talented cast/crews. (although Nolan's minimalist shooting style probably makes slips like that more likely, less excess material to work with in case of errors)

It's definitely true about accents slipping during scenes where actors raise their voices or have to convey strong emotion, which is something that should give us pause regarding Cavill's performance in MOS. This is supposed to be a new take on Superman, meant to reinvigorate the brand and get people to care for the character again. Given the strong emotional themes this board has picked up on so far from spoilers and media coverage, it's likely that a lot of strong emotion and shouting will be required of Cavill. So there is some cause to be concerned.

By the way, I don't think we've ever heard Bale's accent slip in a long time even when he has been required to scream or shout. The last one I can think of was in American Psycho during the big climactic shouting monologue.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

What I don't get though is his American accent was fine in Hellraiser that he did way before CLOD, but I suppose there was a lot of time between those films so he might have been out of practice. Its quite funny that he sounded almost like he had a blocked nose in CLOD that's the only way I can describe it. What little I've heard of his Superman voice he sounds perfect so I'm assuming he's had some vocal training.

It almost seemed like he couldn't make up his mind on how he wanted the character (in CLOD) to sound. There were moments where he sounded good -- like an actual adult; and that was fine. Other times, his voice had an almost nasally, high-pitched quality to it, particularly when he was yelling/complaining.

Yeah, I agree he was on-point in the trailer. My sense (and hope) is that he approached the role of Superman a little differently. Where he sought to convey boyishness to a certain extent in CLOD, I think Man of Steel's Superman requires a voice that exudes strength and confidence. Only time will tell how he delivers most of his lines though.

On a side note, even Christian Bale (who many consider to be quite good with accents) hasn't always been on his A-game. Ever see Shaft? LOL

 

[Gianakin_]

Let's not forget the director's role in all this. He's the one giving the ok after he has the shot, as well as when he chooses a shot during editing and he's also responsible for working things like these out with the actors.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Let's not forget the director's role in all this. He's the one giving the ok after he has the shot, as well as when he chooses a shot during editing and he's also responsible for working things like these out with the actors.

Absolutely. A good or bad director can make all the difference in the world. I've seen great actors/actresses give mediocre performances on film due, in part, to poor direction.

 

[Gianakin_]

Precisely. I'm sure Snyder will have taken proper care of this trait. Haven't seen CLOD yet, but it looks like a Straight-To-Video flick saved by Willis' name.

 

[Herolee10]

Absolutely. A good or bad director can make all the difference in the world. I've seen great actors/actresses give mediocre performances on film due, in part, to poor direction.

Natalie Portman and her Star Wars role vs her current career comes to mine in really emphasizing the point above.lol

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Precisely. I'm sure Snyder will have taken proper care of this trait. Haven't seen CLOD yet, but it looks like a Straight-To-Video flick saved by Willis' name.

Yeah, I only recommend it under two conditions:
1) You're really curious to see how Cavill sounds
2) You're bored out of your mind and have nothing else to do

Otherwise, go ahead and skip this one. It's not a terrible film, mind you, but not worth paying money for.

 

[Gianakin_]

There was never a parallel timeline where I would've paid to see it. But I will see it anyway. I see every movie.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I finally saw Cold Light of Day, and, like you're suggesting, Cavill faltered mostly when he had to shout his lines or convey strong emotion. Otherwise, his American accent wasn't too bad. To be honest, though, there was plenty of room for improvement.

What I don't get though is his American accent was fine in Hellraiser that he did way before CLOD, but I suppose there was a lot of time between those films so he might have been out of practice. Its quite funny that he sounded almost like he had a blocked nose in CLOD that's the only way I can describe it. What little I've heard of his Superman voice he sounds perfect so I'm assuming he's had some vocal training.

 

[Project862006]

It varies. Snyder is more detailed in the visuals department. Nolan, however, is more detailed in writing and acting department.

don't know about that snyder is very good with directing his actors

my fav. performance from watchmen was billy crudup's doctor manhattan which is by far one of the hardest characters to act a character who is emotionless and lacks humanity and at the same time try and not make him boring and crudup nailed it

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It varies. Snyder is more detailed in the visuals department. Nolan, however, is more detailed in writing and acting department.

I question how detailed Nolan is on the acting side when he is fine with a take where Gary Oldman clearly breaks his American accent, or, the most incriminating, Talia's lame death. That was the best take Nolan could get, really?

 

[alejandrita439]

In which scene Gary Oldman doesnt have american accent?

 

[The Guard]

The most obvious slip is in THE DARK KNIGHT on the rooftop with Harvey. His accent wavered a couple of times in TDKR, too.

 

[The Shield]

I question how detailed Nolan is on the acting side when he is fine with a take where Gary Oldman clearly breaks his American accent, or, the most incriminating, Talia's lame death. That was the best take Nolan could get, really?

OMGoh!!! My girl and I laughed out loud in the theater (along with some other people in the audience) when we saw that! Horrid. Lmao.

 

[Matt Mortem]

It varies. Snyder is more detailed in the visuals department. Nolan, however, is more detailed in writing and acting department.

I wouldn't say he was detailed in the writing department. TDKR had some of the worst writing I've heard in a movie in a long time.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Talk about hyperbole. The script suffered because it was too bloated, not because of quality. Then again, there are contrarians who believe Nolan's writing for The Joker was mediocre. So, eh.

While there were some moments in TDKR that I'd consider cringeworthy, Nolan isn't the only high-profile director to let a few scenes slide. Various scenes from Malick's, Jackson's, Del Toro's, Anderson's, Bigelow's, Fincher's, Aronofsky's, etc filmography feature mediocre to poor acting.

As for Cavill's accent, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried. Henry hasn't exactly lit the world on fire yet with his acting ability. However, he's taken scripts for films like Thr Cold Light of Day, so we might be pleasantly surprised as to what he's capable of with a stronger cast and director. Judging from the trailers, Cavill sounds passable.

 

[The Shield]

Poor Talia. LMAO I couldn't help myself.

Watch

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Nah, his American accent sounds fine. Gotta keep in mind, garbage like The Cold Light of Day was the best thing he was getting offered and the dude had to eat.

I take more offense to Willis and Weaver doing it. Since they didn't need the money per say, but they could afford to be pickier. Took it and ran.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nah, his American accent sounds fine. Gotta keep in mind, garbage like The Cold Light of Day was the best thing he was getting offered and the dude had to eat.

I take more offense to Willis and Weaver doing it. Since they didn't need the money per say, but they could afford to be pickier. Took it and ran.

I don't blame him for taking the script. Actors gotta pay the bills too. The film was what you would expect a direct-to-DVD to be but Cavill's American accent was solid. I didn't find it subpar but there were moments where his natural accent slipped. It wasn't a deal-breaker though. Henry, for the most part, did a good job.