Henry Cavill IS Superman: - - - - - - Part 15

[Audrey]

Tell the person I quoted. I don't have a problem with it, regardless of who the decision was made by. Of the stories I read that reference, I haven't disliked any of them a great deal. Superman and Lois will end up together again, why get worked up?

I've disliked plenty of things I've read in the new 52.

As for why people get worked up....while I respect your personal POV, I'd argue that there are things set in motion right now at DC Comics that could have lasting negative repercussions on the way the characters are viewed going forward and THAT is why people get worked up.

It's not about Lois and Clark ending up together again. It's not that simple. It's that the road to get there shouldn't be littered with character assasination and BS in the years until we get there.

The truth is that there is responsibility and meaning when you are writing a 75 year old icon that means a lot to people. You throw in Wonder Woman and Lois Lane and you are talking about two of the most powerful feminist icons in pop culture that mean a great deal to women. How those icons are treated and handled in fiction does matter a deal to a lot of people because characters can and do sustain long term damage from certain choices for years to come.

The Silver Age is a perfect example of this. We've long since moved past the Silver AGe where Superdickery was a common problem due to the misogyny in 1960's American culture. But the damage that was done to Superman has taken a long time to repair. Things stay with these characters for years and once they get into the public consciousness...it can be very hard to un-do.

The long term damage towards Wonder Woman once this stunt with Superman is over and done is going to be severe. She will forever be remembered now as an ex-girlfriend of Superman's. She will forever be linked to him. She will forever be tied to him when she should known for her own mythos and her own supporting cast and her own story.

Just like the careless way in which DC Comics handled the dissolve of the Supermarriage (calling Lois a "trophy wife" and allowing people to think they got divorced in the press/that Superman left his wife) and not CORRECTING these errors when they were reported in the press can and does have long term damage.

Sometimes the reason people get worked up is because things that happen in the moment ---even if they fade away---can and do have long term damage. And long term damage is upsetting to people when you are dealing with icons that people really care about.

So while I think it's fine and cool if it doesn't bother you....it will bother others and there is a reason why.

 

[Audrey]

In terms of Henry's next film....

It's interesting because Lone Ranger was a huge flop. Disney was hoping it would be the start of new franchise with Arnie Hammer but the movie did extremely poorly.

I anticipate that Henry will now be seen as the draw for the Man From U.N.C.L.E. film.

That is not to say that Arnie Hammer doesn't have a fan base because he does. But he was "supposed" to become a huge star like Cavill from the Long Ranger movie and that's not going to happen now.

Henry's big break paid off. Hammer's did not. It will be interesting to see how they promote the film going forward since Henry is no doubt going to be the bigger draw going into the film now.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Is it wrong that I'm kinda hoping Hammer gets dropped from Man from UNCLE and the role goes to a better actor?

 

[flickchick85]

Is it wrong that I'm kinda hoping Hammer gets dropped from Man from UNCLE and the role goes to a better actor?

It's not gonna happen, but I feel the same way. His role is the more interesting character of the two, imo, and I don't see Hammer pulling it off very well.

 

[Audrey]

It's not gonna happen, but I feel the same way. His role is the more interesting character of the two, imo, and I don't see Hammer pulling it off very well.

I'm not familiar with Man from UNCLE at all. Why do you feel Hammer's role is more interesting?

Hammer isn't a bad actor. I thought he was great in the Social Network....

 

[flickchick85]

I'm not familiar with Man from UNCLE at all. Why do you feel Hammer's role is more interesting?

Hammer isn't a bad actor. I thought he was great in the Social Network....

Napoleon Solo (Henry) is the straightforward, nice, handsome, charming spy guy. He's more of the lead who does the majority of the talking, but I remember finding Illya Kuryakin (Hammer) more interesting because he was the quiet, mysterious one who played everything closer to the chest. He used more disguises and stuff like that. It's a role that should rely more on some non-verbal acting, and I just don't see Hammer making him as intriguing as David McCallum did.

And I disagree about Hammer. I don't think he's a good actor at all. The Social Network was his best work (I'm sure Fincher's "100 takes" approach had something to do with that), and I don't even think he was all that great in that.

 

[MrMaooz]

Napoleon Solo (Henry) is the straightforward, nice, handsome, charming spy guy. He's more of the lead who does the majority of the talking, but I remember finding Illya Kuryakin (Hammer) more interesting because he was the quiet, mysterious one who played everything closer to the chest. He used more disguises and stuff like that. It's a role that should rely more on some non-verbal acting, and I just don't see Hammer making him as intriguing as David McCallum did.

And I disagree about Hammer. I don't think he's a good actor at all. The Social Network was his best work (I'm sure Fincher's "100 takes" approach had something to do with that), and I don't even think he was all that great in that.

Are they buddy spies?

 

[flickchick85]

Are they lbuddy spies?

Pretty much. They work for the same agency and most of the time worked missions together. At first, Solo was the clear lead (the title "Man from UNCLE" was referring to him), while Kuryakin only had a couple of minutes of screen time (usually back at headquarters), but Illya became more popular so they started going out into the field together. I've only seen the first season because my dad has it on DVD, so I don't know how their relationship evolved over time, but when I watched, they didn't have much of a "buddy comedy" type of rapport or anything. They were just colleagues who respected and trusted each other to get their part of the mission done and had very different ways/approaches in doing it. Because of that, I could see how Guy Ritchie might likely infuse more humor into their relationship.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I don't know who Hammer...why Hammer. I've seen him in one movie, Mirror Mirror. That flopped, Lone Ranger is getting negative reviews I don't know how much money it's made. Did he try out for Superman as well? Why is he here?!

 

[flickchick85]

I don't know who Hammer...why Hammer. I've seen him in one movie, Mirror Mirror. That flopped, Lone Ranger is getting negative reviews I don't know how much money it's made. Did he try out for Superman as well? Why is he here?!

He's starring with Henry in his next movie. That's why we were talking about him. Now, if by "here" you mean Hollywood in general, then I share your query.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I didn't mean being talked about in this thread. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I mean in Hollywood. He makes less sense than That Sam guy from Titans, at least his bad movies make money.

 

[flickchick85]

I didn't mean being talked about in this thread. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I mean in Hollywood. He makes less sense than That Sam guy from Titans, at least his bad movies make money.

Oh, haha, I see. And agree. He bugged me in his TV appearances well before his "breakthrough" in The Social Network, and having seen The Lone Ranger this past weekend, I was able to confirm that yes, he still bugs me. He's just not movie star material, imo.

 

[Project862006]

yeah i dont get your armie hammer hate i think he is a very charming,charismatic actor who plays the perfect earnest hero to a tee

he was good in social network aswell as j edgar

he has shown some range aswell

 

[flickchick85]

yeah i dont get your armie hammer hate i think he is a very charming,charismatic actor who plays the perfect earnest hero to a tee

he was good in social network aswell as j edgar

he has shown some range aswell

Pretty simple. I can see that I'm supposed to find him charming and charismatic in most things, but I don't. I see someone trying (and failing) to act charming and charismatic. As I've said, TSN is the only thing I didn't hate him in (doesn't mean I found him particularly impressive in it) - and I credit that to Fincher's obsessive 100 takes approach more than anything else - as I didn't like him in J. Edgar, either.

I see a range of roles he's attempted to play, but as I don't think he played them successfully, I don't agree that he has any real range.

 

[sf2]

In terms of Henry's next film....

It's interesting because Lone Ranger was a huge flop. Disney was hoping it would be the start of new franchise with Arnie Hammer but the movie did extremely poorly.

I anticipate that Henry will now be seen as the draw for the Man From U.N.C.L.E. film.

That is not to say that Arnie Hammer doesn't have a fan base because he does. But he was "supposed" to become a huge star like Cavill from the Long Ranger movie and that's not going to happen now.

Henry's big break paid off. Hammer's did not. It will be interesting to see how they promote the film going forward since Henry is no doubt going to be the bigger draw going into the film now.

at the least, Hammer will be towering over Henry.

 

[sf2]

Is it wrong that I'm kinda hoping Hammer gets dropped from Man from UNCLE and the role goes to a better actor?

who the replacement? Brandon Routh?

 

[slumcat]

Napoleon Solo (Henry) is the straightforward, nice, handsome, charming spy guy. He's more of the lead who does the majority of the talking, but I remember finding Illya Kuryakin (Hammer) more interesting because he was the quiet, mysterious one who played everything closer to the chest. He used more disguises and stuff like that. It's a role that should rely more on some non-verbal acting, and I just don't see Hammer making him as intriguing as David McCallum did.

And I disagree about Hammer. I don't think he's a good actor at all. The Social Network was his best work (I'm sure Fincher's "100 takes" approach had something to do with that), and I don't even think he was all that great in that.

Is Kuryakin supposed to have a Russian accent? And will Hammer be able to pull off a Russian accent?

 

[DKDetective]

Rolf is cool as heck and he's training people now. Maybe we can see a Superman with a couple solid years of lifting looks like for the next film ... because his insertions looked, not so nice.

Umm, insertions are genetic. How is a couple of years of lifting going to change them? Furthermore, what is wrong with Cavill's insertions? I thought his insertions and muscle bellies were overall quite excellent. Sure, you could argue that his biceps insert a little high, but that is easily out weighed by their good peak. Also, he doesn't have Routh's horrendous pec insertions.

 

[flickchick85]

Is Kuryakin supposed to have a Russian accent? And will Hammer be able to pull off a Russian accent?

He had a faint, fake Russian accent in the show. To be honest, McCallum wasn't that consistent with it, so I doubt Hammer would do worse on that front, lol.

 

[slumcat]

Rolf is cool as heck and he's training people now. Maybe we can see a Superman with a couple solid years of lifting looks like for the next film ... because his insertions looked, not so nice.

Umm, insertions are genetic. How is a couple of years of lifting going to change them? Furthermore, what is wrong with Cavill's insertions? I thought his insertions and muscle bellies were overall quite excellent. Sure, you could argue that his biceps insert a little high, but that is easily out weighed by their good peak. Also, he doesn't have Routh's horrendous pec insertions.

Yeah. Can insertions be changed through training? You gotta work with what you got right?

 

[Anita18]

Umm, insertions are genetic. How is a couple of years of lifting going to change them? Furthermore, what is wrong with Cavill's insertions? I thought his insertions and muscle bellies were overall quite excellent. Sure, you could argue that his biceps insert a little high, but that is easily out weighed by their good peak. Also, he doesn't have Routh's horrendous pec insertions.

Right now, I'm picturing myself doing surgery on Cavill, putting in more prominent insertions one at a time.

Some of you folks are ridiculous.

 

[Boy Scout]

Tell the person I quoted.

She doesn't need to tell me anything. What I thought the person I quoted was implying was that Johns didn't care for Adams in the role and wanted her to be replaced.

 

[DKDetective]

Yeah. Can insertions be changed through training? You gotta work with what you got right?

Precisely, you can't change them through training, hence my puzzlement at chickenscratch's post. Just like bone structure, insertions and muscle belly shape are things you have to work with. Those are the things that 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on at the top level bodybuilding contests because everyone at that level uses the same drugs, eats the same food, and trains as hard.

The only way I can think of to make your insertions look different through training is to tear a muscle and have it surgically repaired, which just makes things look far worse.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Maybe Cavill should go this route in the next movie...

 

[BH/HHH]

Maybe Cavill should go this route in the next movie...

Oh my god who is that?