Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 8

[elgaz]

Seeing the suit suggestions and illustrations over the years - and hearing some of the stories suggested - really knocks home the fact that there are people out there who just don't have a f**king clue.

Superman in a Tim-Burton-SuperFrankenstein-suit wrestling polar bears, giant robot spiders and unable to fly? Shoot me now.

People getting all irate about the lack of trunks should count their lucky stars that Snyder is still going 99% down the traditional Superman route - think of what we could have had.

 

[Dr.]

I think it’s a compliment that a given character has the staying power to sustain multiple interpretations and iterations. And none of them, necessarily, has to be definitive. I note that many fans cite Superman “elseworld” stories among their favorites. How is that possible unless they’re able to accommodate the notion of different interpretations?

For MOS, the big question is whether it’ll be any good. Being 100% consistent with (a dubiously defined) canon is a lower priority.

So… think of the absence of trunks as an elseworld detail.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, that's what it boils down to. I don't understand why so many fans are so uber-sensitive about the costume when it comes to Superman. As long as it has the basic look, that's all that matters. Thinks like red trunks are inconsequential. I mean, look at Batman. His TDK costume really doesn't resemble his comic book suit other than the overall SHAPE of it. But it works.

Like you said, the movie just needs to be good. The suit works, or it at least works enough that it shouldn't turn people off the way some other designs might have.

 

[elgaz]

I would consider elseworld stories (which are primarily confined to graphics novels or the odd comic run) as unique one-off interpretations. And I agree, they're enjoyable to read and provide an interesting departure from the traditional mythos.

However, the movies are big events and are what I would consider a massive mainstream representation of the character, which will be viewed by many millions more people than would elseworld stories. In that respect, I've always believed that the films should stick to the popular values and aspects of the character - e.g. Superman should have flight capability, not have landed in Russia instead of Kansas, etc. I'm 110% fine though with removing the trunks as it's - generally speaking - only a very small update to the physical appearance of the character, and the fundamental look of the Superman costume still remains. He's totally recognisable.

An example of doing it wrong would be Superman II - it strayed off the beaten path slightly in terms of his powers, and still gets berated for it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

... and eventually you come to the only clear resolution and say "Just kill all three of them so I don't have to make a decision."


But anyway, yeah. We should all be thankful NONE of them came to fruition. It's why I roll my eyes at fans who complain about the new Superman suit. Maybe not everything about it is what you imagined it to be, but do you see what we COULD have gotten instead?

Yeah, I feel exactly the same. And yet no matter how many times you post that pic of stoned Nic Cage Supes in plastic, people conveniently ignore it.

It's like finishing off a macdonalds and complaining you didn't get enough fries while someone is waving around a picture of someone starving in Africa!

Yes, we all forget how lucky we are sometimes. But please people... Try and be grateful for what we have - especially when faced with the clearly horrendous alternatives!

Though in fairness, this does seem like a bit of an empty point now that the costume thread debates seem to have finally run their course

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Seeing the suit suggestions and illustrations over the years - and hearing some of the stories suggested - really knocks home the fact that there are people out there who just don't have a f**king clue.

Superman in a Tim-Burton-SuperFrankenstein-suit wrestling polar bears, giant robot spiders and unable to fly? Shoot me now.

People getting all irate about the lack of trunks should count their lucky stars that Snyder is still going 99% down the traditional Superman route - think of what we could have had.

Definitely.

I mean the suit designs for previous projects were bad enough. But some of the story ideas?

I could literally see myself standing outside of a cinema every night with a board saying 'This is NOT Superman' and protesting until the movie's run was over.

I think that's what people don't understand about why I'm so enthusiastic for this film.

People are constantly saying 'why are you defending it, you've no idea what it's going to be like yet'.

But it's not going to be any of the things it could have been. It's in the hands of a creative team that is not giving us an hint they plan to do anything insane. The casting has been wonderful, what we can gleam of the plot from tidbits and spy pics appears to be wonderful...

Why the hell shouldn't we be damn grateful already? Grateful that we were spared the embarrasment of super poop, brainiac having a little robot dog sidekick, kryptonians smoking bongs, or the suit in a can?

 

[Dr.]

However, the movies are big events and are what I would consider a massive mainstream representation of the character, which will be viewed by many millions more people than would elseworld stories. In that respect, I've always believed that the films should stick to the popular values and aspects of the character...

In terms of the fundamental narrative elements, MOS looks to be very traditional. No JJ Abrams-esque radical revisionism in sight. That said… I’m sure there’ll be some details that some people take issue with. Tis the nature of the beast.

 

[Rockstar]

At the end of the day, you don't have to be t total and an advert for anti smoking in order to play Superman. You just have to be honest, easy going, naturally warm and sincere, charismatic, polite and respectful.

All of which he does appear to be in interviews and videos

Or a good actor who knows how to put on those qualities in interviews and on camera, which is how most actors are.

He's really good when it comes to PR. I can tell he's winging a lot of the stuff he says but he sells it, especially in the comic con interviews.

 

[supefan]

He has got company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XNIBaaO7CkU

 

[hopefuldreamer]

From Total Film (thanks to Mr Cavill. com)

 

[Lily Adler]

I really like that angle.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I really like that angle.

You are so bad!

 

[ChickenScratch]

Where's the whole article?

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I never realized he smoked.

To be fair that looks like an old photograph. Maybe he has since quit.
I would be surprised someone who is working out as much as he is would continue to smoke.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Cavill is the kind of guy who has a goody two shoes public image, but he is one of those dude who can get crazy when hanging out.

Last time I hung out with him, the first thing we did was hit the hottest club in town, dressed like a couple pimps.

He pulled out his magic little party vial and we skied a few Colombian lines at the bar before picking up 4 smoking hot chicks. We left in a Limousine and got back to a hotel where we proceeded to get drunk, had an orgy, and then threw some stuff off the rooftop and balcony.

The next day we woke up somewhere in Puerto Vallarta Mexico with a six strange women, a bad headache and a dead Thai Ladyboy hooker in the trunk of a pimped out rental car. It was all cool though because he called some of his people to clean up the mess. Hollywood takes care if its boys apparently.

The rest of the day we went ocean fishing, worked on our tans, with a bunch of hot naked chicks served us as the crew.

We’re doing it again next weekend, you should be there Bro.

I'm a bit busy this weekend but can probably do the weekend after. Is that good for you?

 

[Geralt of Rivia]

I was just looking at some set pics on Cavill in costume and what strikes me is, how comfortable he seems in the suit. It's like it's his second skin. Anyone else noticed that? He looks very relaxed, confident and seems to have a very commanding presence. Which is something I really didn't see in Routh for example, when looking at the extras from Returns or the photos from the shooting. He just looks so wooden, nervous and not relaxed at all. Not comfortable in the suit, (though given the suit, who can blame him right? t. Chris Reeve for example looked totally at ease in his costume, he was Superman on and off the camera when the costume was on. I kind of see that in Cavill. I also came across an interview where he said that in the trailer when the costume got put on, he just smiled and thought to himself; this is so cool. And that he always gets that ´´Im Superman`` feeling when the costume gets put on. While Routh claimed in an interview how nervous he was in his trailer prior to a shoot and that he was telling himself; its ok you can do it, and so on.
I think Snyder mentioned that as well, that in Cavills audition (in the Reeve suit replica) he had a kind of calmness and confidence that made him go; woha, now that's Superman!

So to me, that's VERY important, for an actor to be confident and at ease in the costume. If Cavill translated that to the cameras he might just be a really good Superman.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Looking at ease in costume? It's called acting.

 

[Geralt of Rivia]

Looking at ease in costume? It's called acting.

You missed my point entirely.

 

[Rockstar]

BR looked as at ease in that suit as possible on set. It was just a lackluster costume.

 

[ChickenScratch]

You missed my point entirely.

No I didn't. You seem really swept up in acting and costuming. Nothing wrong with that dude. But please don't try to elevate someone looking regal in costume to something more than what he was cast and is being paid to do.

 

[Compi716]

BR looked as at ease in that suit as possible on set. It was just a lackluster costume.

This is what bothered me the most about the Routh suit. Under the right light, the colors look fantastic. But in the film, it's so muted...

 

[Rockstar]

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[Wheels]

Looking at ease in the costume wasn't a problem for Routh. It was a combination of other things that was the problem.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Routh could have been successful in a MOS type storyline as his look was good for an origin story.

 

[DKDetective]

BR looked as at ease in that suit as possible on set. It was just a lackluster costume.

Wow, these photos do a great job of demonstrating how horribly un-Superman, the suit and Routh's physique made him look. He just looks long and shapeless. The guy has no v-taper whatsoever and what work Routh did do in the gym is completely hidden due to a crappy choice of materials and crappy muscle suit.