Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 51

[Blitzkrieg]

Genuinely curious, what does Nikki mean? Is it a type or something ? :P

What?? You don't watch WWE, bro?? I mean at all or stopped after '08?

Either way, she's Nikki Bella. She's my squeeze.

 

[Sleiek]

People round here know I love the director's cut of BvS ( me and idiot09 are like the only ones) but I openly admit that DC and WB mismanaged the film (and SS) and this shouldve been the year that made DC a heavy weight contender that could go up against the Mouse.

WTF man?

I still don't think that Justice League is going to be a good movie and I'm going to say that and that's going to annoy people in here but I am trying to move on from BvS proper. I can't totally not talk about it in here because it as a follow up movie.

Definitely not going to annoy me. The more people having a bad impression and no hype from the get go, the less complaining in the aftermath of the movie's release. So keep it up!

I'm just praying everyday that BvS detractors don't get hyped for JL. Lol

 

[kguillou]

WTF man?



Definitely not going to annoy me. The more people having a bad impression and no hype from the get go, the less complaining in the aftermath of the movie's release. So keep it up!

I'm just praying everyday that BvS detractors don't get hyped for JL. Lol

Sorry, bro! lol I know theres much more than me and Idiot09, I was just makin' a point that we're a rare breed. t:

 

[idiot09]

What?? You don't watch WWE, bro?? I mean at all or stopped after '08?

Either way, she's Nikki Bella. She's my squeeze.

hahha, no man, I dont watch WWE.

 

[Tra-El]

I actually think the DCEU has a rare chance to right the ship in a direction that is unique and straight up appetizing for all fans. I personally loved Man of Steel and Batman v Superman alike to where I really see the real world motives and how those things can boggle down the definition and myth of a superhero. Snyder was the right guy to give us those movies. It's what the studio thought would work.

Turns out, not every fan is going to be up for a Watchmen-esq gritty take on certain characters...to an extent. The part that is unique is if they can tie it all together to make the first films in this DCEU franchise better received and have purpose, even to all who dislike them. If they can win those people back slowly and focus on the strength's of the DCEU thus far then we could be in for a huge turnaround where everything is better for it. MoS, BvS and a hint of SSQUAD are enigma's to the genre and for that, I dig it. Now it's time to see if they can find a formula where the mass appeal can win over the haters, bring in new fans ontop of it while keeping the tone that the fans of these films love. They don't have to abandon everything. Some things actually worked and worked quite well. I hope they are onto something, but it'll probably take a few more films to reach such a status. I'm all in.

 

[NotNickFury]

Heck, I still enjoy Watchmen, but much prefer the Director's Cut and appreciate that Snyder was allowed to make as much material for that as he was, even if he had to trim some of it out for the theatrical cut. Need to revisit the Director's Cut sometime.

On a side-note, while I love Deadpool's opening credits, I think the journey through time for Watchmen's opening credits are still at the top of my favorite superhero opening credits.

 

[Tra-El]

I'm going to pop in the Director's Cut of Watchmen again. The scope Snyder can roll with is masterful as far as visuals and the ability to direct action. His stuff really makes me feel differently every time I re-visit a movie of his. He's an interesting and enigmatic director in more ways than one. I happen to like those effects some films have on me but I can certainly see where some are just 100% turned off by it. It's something that you just can't put a finger on and when it comes to superhero's, people look for for things that make them go "AH-HAH! YES!" Snyder doesn't give his films that on the surface and is one of the reasons why the DCEU is in the situation it's in. Personally, I love it. Realistically, not everybody will.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I love the Ultimate and Director's cut of Watchmen. I think it's actually a masterpiece. But the JL are not Watchmen. Watchmen are a deconstruction of the concept of heroes. JL are the construction and the building of heroes from the ground up. Polar opposite tone, themes etc.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Believe it or not I am slowly trying to get over it because it is dumb for me to still be as annoyed as I am. I think that I should get over it, I think fans should get over it. I'm trying, I'm working on it.

I still don't think that Justice League is going to be a good movie and I'm going to say that and that's going to annoy people in here but I am trying to move on from BvS proper. I can't totally not talk about it in here because it is a follow up movie.

Oh trust me I don't expect anyone here to simply not talk about it, that's what this place is for. It's the level of hate and the fact that no matter what part of this forum or Youtube or another site, you can't escape the serious hate this film gets. Ya know i've watched thousands upon thousands of films in my lifetime and I've seen so many movies that were supposed to be the next big thing, supposed to be special and when they have been released they have been outright shat on, but i've never seen this level of hate in my life for any film. I mean the movie wasn't great, i thought it was good but not great, but if you watch BVS and then afterwards put on a movie like Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, can you honestly tell me that BVS deserves more criticism and hate than those movies?. I think to myself, at least BVS tried to be something more, tried to take what we all love seriously. It failed in many area's but at least they tried. I think giving the film a 29% rating on RT is a disgrace. To me there are hundreds of movies out there that deserve that rating more.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I wonder if WB will announce a trailer with Rogue One?

More likely JL teaser will come with Affleck's Live By Night in Jan.

 

[Tra-El]

Oh trust me I don't expect anyone here to simply not talk about it, that's what this place is for. It's the level of hate and the fact that no matter what part of this forum or Youtube or another site, you can't escape the serious hate this film gets. Ya know i've watched thousands upon thousands of films in my lifetime and I've seen so many movies that were supposed to be the next big thing, supposed to be special and when they have been released they have been outright shat on, but i've never seen this level of hate in my life for any film. I mean the movie wasn't great, i thought it was good but not great, but if you watch BVS and then afterwards put on a movie like Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, can you honestly tell me that BVS deserves more criticism and hate than those movies?. I think to myself, at least BVS tried to be something more, tried to take what we all love seriously. It failed in many area's but at least they tried. I think giving the film a 29% rating on RT is a disgrace. To me there are hundreds of movies out there that deserve that rating more.

Trust me, there's way more people and fans out there that love Batman V Superman just as much as there are that hate it. I just think there's more that just like it or think it's good rather than loving it. Just liking something or thinking something is good isn't enough fire power to battle the people who straight up hated the film. It's a divisive film and in most cases, straight down the middle. Fans like us, though are prone to combat the loudest voices because they are everywhere and we only see as such because it garners mixed emotions. Fans who like it, most of the time, don't feel the need to go into depth as to why they like something versus a vocal crowd of dislike. Here's a good article I've came across that's worth noting:

Why Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice Is Becoming A Cult Classic
http://****************.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-cult-classic/

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Oh trust me I don't expect anyone here to simply not talk about it, that's what this place is for. It's the level of hate and the fact that no matter what part of this forum or Youtube or another site, you can't escape the serious hate this film gets. Ya know i've watched thousands upon thousands of films in my lifetime and I've seen so many movies that were supposed to be the next big thing, supposed to be special and when they have been released they have been outright shat on, but i've never seen this level of hate in my life for any film. I mean the movie wasn't great, i thought it was good but not great, but if you watch BVS and then afterwards put on a movie like Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, can you honestly tell me that BVS deserves more criticism and hate than those movies?. I think to myself, at least BVS tried to be something more, tried to take what we all love seriously. It failed in many area's but at least they tried. I think giving the film a 29% rating on RT is a disgrace. To me there are hundreds of movies out there that deserve that rating more.

Again, nobody gives that rating. 71% of critics couldn't bump it to a fresh. Hence it was mathematically calculated to be 29%.

I like the BvS UC. It fixes most of the plot issues. I'd probably go 6.5/10. I actually really like the first two acts. But all my problems come flooding in, after the Senate bombing.

 

[Sleiek]

I actually think the DCEU has a rare chance to right the ship in a direction that is unique and straight up appetizing for all fans. I personally loved Man of Steel and Batman v Superman alike to where I really see the real world motives and how those things can boggle down the definition and myth of a superhero. Snyder was the right guy to give us those movies. It's what the studio thought would work.

Turns out, not every fan is going to be up for a Watchmen-esq gritty take on certain characters...to an extent. The part that is unique is if they can tie it all together to make the first films in this DCEU franchise better received and have purpose, even to all who dislike them. If they can win those people back slowly and focus on the strength's of the DCEU thus far then we could be in for a huge turnaround where everything is better for it. MoS, BvS and a hint of SSQUAD are enigma's to the genre and for that, I dig it. Now it's time to see if they can find a formula where the mass appeal can win over the haters, bring in new fans ontop of it while keeping the tone that the fans of these films love. They don't have to abandon everything. Some things actually worked and worked quite well. I hope they are onto something, but it'll probably take a few more films to reach such a status. I'm all in.

This. It is going to be very tricky to pull it off but this is the best way to keep everyone happy.

And just when I think I am the guy in this forum who watched BvS the most in the theatres (Twice IMAX, 1 Regular), Tra-El posts and puts me in my place.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well, he is related to Supes, so he gets special privileges.

 

[Sleiek]

lol. Sure.

Also did anyone post this yet? Ezra is freaking hilarious.
https://***********/fl3zra/status/798951825722449928

 

[mat-chow]

I actually think the DCEU has a rare chance to right the ship in a direction that is unique and straight up appetizing for all fans. I personally loved Man of Steel and Batman v Superman alike to where I really see the real world motives and how those things can boggle down the definition and myth of a superhero. Snyder was the right guy to give us those movies. It's what the studio thought would work.

Turns out, not every fan is going to be up for a Watchmen-esq gritty take on certain characters...to an extent. The part that is unique is if they can tie it all together to make the first films in this DCEU franchise better received and have purpose, even to all who dislike them. If they can win those people back slowly and focus on the strength's of the DCEU thus far then we could be in for a huge turnaround where everything is better for it. MoS, BvS and a hint of SSQUAD are enigma's to the genre and for that, I dig it. Now it's time to see if they can find a formula where the mass appeal can win over the haters, bring in new fans ontop of it while keeping the tone that the fans of these films love. They don't have to abandon everything. Some things actually worked and worked quite well. I hope they are onto something, but it'll probably take a few more films to reach such a status. I'm all in.

Hey, this post is a masterpiece. You've managed to nail my perspective here. Although I love BVS I'm fine with some modification. Hoping for the best!

 

[Da-Scribe]

I love the Ultimate and Director's cut of Watchmen. I think it's actually a masterpiece. But the JL are not Watchmen. Watchmen are a deconstruction of the concept of heroes. JL are the construction and the building of heroes from the ground up. Polar opposite tone, themes etc.

It's all fiction. You can do what you want with it. Hell, even documentaries bend certain things to fit a narrative.

 

[Arachnerd]

lol. Sure.

Also did anyone post this yet? Ezra is freaking hilarious.
https://***********/fl3zra/status/798951825722449928

Dude's so energetic, he's gonna nail this role.

 

[kguillou]

I really do,believe that if Snyder sticks the landing and completes Superman's arc in a crowd pleasing way, then people will appreciate MoS and BvS a lot more.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

It's all fiction. You can do what you want with it. Hell, even documentaries bend certain things to fit a narrative.

Fair point! But I'm talking about intent of the characters. Watchmen is fundamentally about how humanity is broken and heroes are just actors looking to fulfill a utilitarian purpose regardless of means---building a utopia on a self constructed fog enemy. It's a very dark and misanthropic take on the genre. And it's beautiful. But that can't work (or would rather betray) the intent of the Justice League, as their world is an optimistic and deontological take. It's about rising up and constructing heroes to inspire.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Fair point! But I'm talking about intent of the characters. Watchmen is fundamentally about how humanity is broken and heroes are just actors looking to fulfill a utilitarian purpose regardless of means---building a utopia on a self constructed fog enemy. It's a very dark and misanthropic take on the genre. And it's beautiful. But that can't work (or would rather betray) the intent of the Justice League, as their world is an optimistic and deontological take. It's about rising up and constructing heroes to inspire.

I get where you're coming from. I guess my perspective is just that all that stuff is true until it isn't. By that, I just mean that characters are a certain way until someone comes along and does them differently. I'm just open to a conversation about these guys is all I'm saying. I love the canon and all, but if someone were like "I'm gonna make a $250 mil film where Bruce and Clark swap childhoods. Hilarity ensues.", well I'd watch the hell outta that movie.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Kingdom Come is regarded as arguably the best GN of all time (up there with Sandman and Watchmen). Certainly the best featuring the Justice League/Trinity.

Nothing cheery or optimistic about that setting and story. If anything it's as dystopian as a straight up superhero story can get.

Let's not label anything or put anything in boxes eh? Kind ****s up the art of it all if you become enslaved by genre conventions.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Kingdom Come is regarded as arguably the best GN of all time (up there with Sandman and Watchmen). Certainly the best featuring the Justice League/Trinity.

Nothing cheery or optimistic about that setting and story. If anything it's as dystopian as a straight up superhero story can get.

Let's not label anything or put anything in boxes eh? Kind ****s up the art of it all if you become enslaved by genre conventions.

Kingdom Come came years after thousands of Justice League publications. It was basically DC's Civil War (arguably better). But in order for that to work you need the Justice League to be built first. Superman in that story has given up being a hero.

I'm referring to a team up film with the JL where they fight a bad guy. You can't take the same cynical tone that Watchmen does. It's like turning Rorschach into a fun loving one liner machine. It doesn't work. Everything is made for a specific purpose.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I get where you're coming from. I guess my perspective is just that all that stuff is true until it isn't. By that, I just mean that characters are a certain way until someone comes along and does them differently. I'm just open to a conversation about these guys is all I'm saying. I love the canon and all, but if someone were like "I'm gonna make a $250 mil film where Bruce and Clark swap childhoods. Hilarity ensues.", well I'd watch the hell outta that movie.

OH yeah that could be a fun elseworld film. But I was referring to the main universe---if they want to build a proper cinematic universe and expect us to take it seriously, they have to follow the original intent and vision of the characters. It's like making Sherlock Holmes film but Holmes is dumb as doorknob. It works for a funny skit on youtube but not a whole film on it and certainly not if they want us to take it seriously for years to come. When a Holmes film is out, it has to involve razor sharp deductions, and quit wit.

Similarly, for the JL when you're bringing the characters to light for the first time, you have to follow the original vision for those characters and why people loved them in the first place. You can't turn everything into a deconstructionist cynical tale just because you love Frank Miller and Alan Moore so much.

 

[Superherofan123]

I would die if we ever got a live action KC...