Man Of Steel Soars @ Comic Con - Part 2

[HighFivingMF]

Exactly.STM succeded beacuse it had no competition.Fans like it because of the nostalgai.It prevents them from seeing it accurately.

I was born 13 years after the movie was released, saw it for the first time 3 years ago and loved it. Sooo...

 

[MOS2013]

Exactly.STM succeded beacuse it had no competition.Fans like it because of the nostalgai.It prevents them from seeing it accurately.

Utter bollocks

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Eh, I tried.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If fans could see it accurately they would be super mad.At the campiness,corniness,the lack of a proper character arc for Clark,The fact that it is not an accurate representation of the Superman comics,the incredible lack of action for a Superman movie,the overly bearing Christ themes,the potrayal of Superman as Godman etc.
Superman succeded because it was the first true Superhero cbm.The start of a genre-a new era.That will always put in on a pedestal despite the fact its mediocre at best.The fact it was most fans first big screen exposure to Superman gives it a special place in their hearts-so any bad said about it will be deemed stupid.Truth is its nostalgia talking simply as that

Superman as a Christ figure has and will always be apart of his character. He is a man who fell from the heavens.

And while the second half is definitely corny and campy, the first have is most certainly not. Everything from the opening until Superman flies out of the FoS is timeless in its storytelling and overall quality.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh, I tried.

It was a good effort.

 

[KalMart]

I still think STM is a wonderful film in its own right...and at the time it was at the forefront of movie effects and so on. But for today, a new Supes movie has a lot more to compete with for attention and popularity. So just because STM didn't have any super-fights et al doesn't mean that the same would hold true today. Any big-time movie needs to excel in a lot of departments compared to all other movies, no matter who it's about. In '78, when the concept and genre were new, it didn't have as much to overcome (not that it knew it was 'taking it easy'). Much different arena today...which is why just being Superman isn't enough...how just flying or being super-strong, even if it's him, isn't enough. It has to be the coolest and most exciting flying and show of strength yet on film regardless of character to stand out and pique audiences' attention.

 

[Smegger56]

Exactly.STM succeded beacuse it had no competition.Fans like it because of the nostalgai.It prevents them from seeing it accurately.

 

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

Superman 2 and 4 were both mostly pure fight scenes and they were both awful movies. The best fight of the series took place in the junk yard in Superman 3, which I thought was the second best film in the series.

Still, the original Superman was the best. The first half was timeless, but if you took all the campy bits out of the second half, it would have been a really incredible movie to watch even today.

 

[Zionite1]

Superman as a Christ figure has and will always be apart of his character. He is a man who fell from the heavens.

And while the second half is definitely corny and campy, the first have is most certainly not. Everything from the opening until Superman flies out of the FoS is timeless in its storytelling and overall quality.

Superman is Space moses at best.not Christ.He was not born of a virgin.He did not die to be ressurected on the third day.
Im not really gonna debate on STM any further.I know speaking against it is Taboo in this parts but that explains a lot about Supermans current position.

I still think STM is a wonderful film in its own right...and at the time it was at the forefront of movie effects and so on. But for today, a new Supes movie has a lot more to compete with for attention and popularity. So just because STM didn't have any super-fights et al doesn't mean that the same would hold true today. Any big-time movie needs to excel in a lot of departments compared to all other movies, no matter who it's about. In '78, when the concept and genre were new, it didn't have as much to overcome (not that it knew it was 'taking it easy'). Much different arena today...which is why just being Superman isn't enough...how just flying or being super-strong, even if it's him, isn't enough. It has to be the coolest and most exciting flying and show of strength yet on film regardless of character to stand out and pique audiences' attention.

Youve worded it better than I tried to.Im always way too blunt.

 

[UaalaDan]

How can anyone love SR is beyond me. That movie is such a terrible Superman movie. Singer has a lot of credit with me because he made The Usual Suspects, X-men and X-men 2 but he clearly doesn't understand Superman, imo.

 

[flickchick85]

I still think STM is a wonderful film in its own right...and at the time it was at the forefront of movie effects and so on. But for today, a new Supes movie has a lot more to compete with for attention and popularity. So just because STM didn't have any super-fights et al doesn't mean that the same would hold true today. Any big-time movie needs to excel in a lot of departments compared to all other movies, no matter who it's about. In '78, when the concept and genre were new, it didn't have as much to overcome (not that it knew it was 'taking it easy'). Much different arena today...which is why just being Superman isn't enough...how just flying or being super-strong, even if it's him, isn't enough. It has to be the coolest and most exciting flying and show of strength yet on film regardless of character to stand out and pique audiences' attention.

Agreed.

 

[Zorex]

Im always way too blunt.

I will agree that, yes, your presentation of your position was... blunt, to say the least. Other words may apply (coarse, harsh, etc).

Your opinion on the film is your opinion, and I agree with a little of what (I think) you are saying. Yes, STM was the first, it was huge for its time, and it is very much OF its time. But just because we're now of a time removed from when it first made its impact, I don't think it's fair to say that the film is bad, or some sort of failure.

You say it's not an accurate representation of the comics. Which comics? Which run? By which artists and writers? Of which era? I take issue with fans who cry foul of an adaptation that does not adhere to the source material, when there are literally decades of source material brought to you by many, many creative individuals.

Forgive me if I'm way off base here, but your logic seems to be that anyone who likes the movie is... mistaken? Lacking some sort of critical appreciation of the movie?

I still think STM is a wonderful film in its own right...and at the time it was at the forefront of movie effects and so on. But for today, a new Supes movie has a lot more to compete with for attention and popularity. So just because STM didn't have any super-fights et al doesn't mean that the same would hold true today. Any big-time movie needs to excel in a lot of departments compared to all other movies, no matter who it's about. In '78, when the concept and genre were new, it didn't have as much to overcome (not that it knew it was 'taking it easy'). Much different arena today...which is why just being Superman isn't enough...how just flying or being super-strong, even if it's him, isn't enough. It has to be the coolest and most exciting flying and show of strength yet on film regardless of character to stand out and pique audiences' attention.

See, now... much better.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I just want to say that the footage of Supes

Spoiler

getting flung into the bank vault

has raised my hopes/anticipation for this movie. Something about the compostion of that shot suggests to me that we are gonna see some truly next level **** in this movie. Visually anyway.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just want to say that the footage of Supes

Spoiler

getting flung into the bank vault

has raised my hopes/anticipation for this movie. Something about the compostion of that shot suggests to me that we are gonna see some truly next level **** in this movie. Visually anyway.

It is quite pretty and much better looking then the promo shot.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I just want to say that the footage of Supes

Spoiler

getting flung into the bank vault

has raised my hopes/anticipation for this movie. Something about the compostion of that shot suggests to me that we are gonna see some truly next level **** in this movie. Visually anyway.

Yeah, I love that shot too.

Spoiler

I love how he smacks straight into the vault, causing all of the glass to shatter and sparks to fly. The way he stumbles down afterwards seems like that blow really took a lot out of him.

 

[Jim-El]

How can anyone love SR is beyond me. That movie is such a terrible Superman movie. Singer has a lot of credit with me because he made The Usual Suspects, X-men and X-men 2 but he clearly doesn't understand Superman, imo.

He understood the Donnerverse, but he tragically failed with it.

 

[Super Kal]

I was born 13 years after the movie was released, saw it for the first time 3 years ago and loved it. Sooo...

im kinda in the same boat, but it wasn't 3 years ago... I first saw Superman The Movie on VHS in 1988, when i was 5. My dad bought it for me because he was a Superman fan, and he wanted me to take an interest in something we could both enjoy together. I laughed at Otis, i gasped when Superman first appeared, i cried when Lois died, i held my breath when i watched Superman spinned the world backwards, and waved at him when he smiled at the camera in the closing credits

Superman The Movie was successful on its own terms in the late 70's, since it was the first of its kind... would it work in today's society? no. Superman Returns is proof of that.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Superman the movie is a classic by all means. It meant something for the times. It was something unlike anything that had been done before that. Dick Donner and Mario Puzo put it together and they are some of the greats of the time. Nolan mentioned he borrowed from the movie in some aspects like making a motion picture and not nessesarily a comic on film. He also said that putting together a strong cast of solid actors in supporting roles makes it for a greater experience.

The romanticism that Donner displayed was magic for a more innocent time and it will be up there as a classic forever. It does not work for a more sophisticated and demanding audience of today but by all means it is an all time classic.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

A superman film where Superman does not throw a punch is not a Superman film

And a Superman fan who believes crap like this is not a Superman fan. His name is not Punchman.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I agree that Supes doesnt have to punch stuff, but I am curious about his training. I mean, on occasion he will have to punch something - a wall, a superpowered foe, a rogue comet. So how does he train for this so he doesnt look like hes punching like a girl? In fact, how does he train for any kind of hand-to-hand fighting? Does he watch MMA videos? Does he spar with friends as Clark? Does it even matter if his "form" is correct given his power? I must know!!!

Can anyone point me to a post-crisis issue of Superman or Action Comics that has some sort of training sequence? Maybe during a time when he was de-powered? Thanks.

Seriously though, he probably will be doing some punching given the opponent(s), but its hardly a requirement. Im hoping we get a nice sampler of most or all of his abilities, especially some nifty flying maneuvers mid-battle/crisis. And heat vision of course.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I really don't care about his training...I'm sure you were being sarcastic about that. I think growing up watching tv Clark saw people fighting and just picked it up. He learns how to control his power to where he won't knock a mortal man's head of if he get's in a scuffle and he knows how to knock the **** out of a super powered villain should the need arise

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Superman training using all of his powers would be a cool scene.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Yeah i was just being silly. And it would be cool to see him training using all his various powers, more so than just watching him hit stuff.

 

[charl_huntress]

I agree that Supes doesnt have to punch stuff, but I am curious about his training. I mean, on occasion he will have to punch something - a wall, a superpowered foe, a rogue comet. So how does he train for this so he doesnt look like hes punching like a girl? In fact, how does he train for any kind of hand-to-hand fighting? Does he watch MMA videos? Does he spar with friends as Clark? Does it even matter if his "form" is correct given his power? I must know!!!

Can anyone point me to a post-crisis issue of Superman or Action Comics that has some sort of training sequence? Maybe during a time when he was de-powered? Thanks.

Seriously though, he probably will be doing some punching given the opponent(s), but its hardly a requirement. Im hoping we get a nice sampler of most or all of his abilities, especially some nifty flying maneuvers mid-battle/crisis. And heat vision of course.

I have always assumed the knowledge passed down from Jor-El included how to fight. I actually do remember a comic where this is discussed, but I cannot recall it now. However, I'm going to go with Jor-El gave his son knowledge and it downloaded like Neo in the Matrix...lol

 

[hopefuldreamer]

If fans could see it accurately they would be super mad.At the campiness,corniness,the lack of a proper character arc for Clark,The fact that it is not an accurate representation of the Superman comics,the incredible lack of action for a Superman movie,the overly bearing Christ themes,the potrayal of Superman as Godman etc.
Superman succeded because it was the first true Superhero cbm.The start of a genre-a new era.That will always put in on a pedestal despite the fact its mediocre at best.The fact it was most fans first big screen exposure to Superman gives it a special place in their hearts-so any bad said about it will be deemed stupid.Truth is its nostalgia talking simply as that

Okay, first of all, let me say that I am not a big fan of any of the old films.

I do own them. I've seen the first 3 movies multiple times. I enjoy Kidder's Lois a lot, and there are moments in all the films that I genuinely enjoy.

That said, I'd be the first person to agree with you that they are campy and corny, missing massive character development points for Clark, don't have much physical action, are a little too 'preachy' for my tastes and I'd also add that I find the romantic chemistry cringeworthy.

And they are often defended with such passion, that you feel like a bad word against them is blasphemy in some people's eyes... which does get frustrating at times.

But what you're saying, and the way you are saying it, is completely wrong.

No one can be told that they aren't looking at a film accurately because they like it and you don't. It's all a matter of tastes. And those tastes don't come only from one age group, or one type of fan. All sorts of people, of all ages, and all levels of fandom, like the old Superman films. Heck, my friend who isn't even all that into movies was telling me he saw STM recently and loved it and loved Williams theme in it.

And I don't think you can call the film itself mediocre. Because you HAVE to regard it's quality within the context of it's time, and what it achieved.

It was by no means mediocre. It was an incredible film of it's time, it was huge.