Ms. Marvel in the works? - Part 1

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  1. The Strategos Registered

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    Superman and Batman wear capes! I mean, I agree they are a bit dumb but I thing that before we have a go at SASHES I think Superman's cape needs looking at :hehe: ! Also, I think Human Torch makes a very good point.
     
  2. flickchick85 Admin of Might

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    Aw, thanks guys. Guess I was just in an usually soapbox-y mood, lol.

    And I also agree with all of this. :up:
     
  3. Ultra Nolanite Registered

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    Truth !

    But if She-Hulk's costume is accepted then I'm willing to let go of the thigh high boots and dominatrix gloves for Ms. Marvel and have here wear something similar to She-Hulk.

    So basically strip her down even more :p

    It's just that I'll shoot myself if I see another superheroine wear a black catsuit. Anne Hathaway's catwoman was the last I'll have of that.
     
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  4. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    The problem with Barb Wire and these other sex-associated things is that the heroine is often in black leather. Those two things, combined with thigh-high boots often conjures up the idea of sex immediately. If you give Carol her original Kree costume or the Moonstone variant, it's automatically a different colour scheme and won't immediately conjure up associations with Barb Wire. Also, it will be a refreshing change from yet another female in a black catsuit.

    Plus if she has barer legs, she will look more like an athlete. They could explain the reason she does have bare skin exposed is for the same reason athletes and swimmers do. It's more comfortable and possibly more aerodynamic. Maybe a full body catsuit would get too hot for her, especially when flying, as she doesn't have a cooling system like Iron Man's armour.
     
  5. cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    You know, it used to be entertaining to have an intellectual discussion with you. I don't know where that side of you went, but now there's nothing left but ********-edness and defensive self-consciousness on your part. You twist the impersonal into the personal every ****in' time....nice work.

    First of all: find one example of a guy in a white sheet with a swastika cutting black people's heads off in the annals of superhero comics. I'll wait....

    Oh, and if by some chance you *do* find an example, then find one example outside of the frickin' KKK of some filmmaker who'd be colossally ignorant enough to put up a few hundred million dollars to make such a movie and expect some sort of return on it.

    Ms. Marvel's comic was not created to be patently offensive. It's not a goddamn porno mag. Kids read it, and have read it for decades, and I haven't seen ONE instance of Gloria Steinem going out and marching in the streets to protest Carol Danvers' goddamn swimsuit. Hell, in terms of superheroine costumes, Ms. Marvel's has ALWAYS been considered more subdued and conservative. Shows one HELL of a lot less skin and sex than Wonder Woman, Starfire, Moondragon, Gamora, Emma Frost, Vampirella, Phantom Lady, Black Cat, Shanna the She-Devil, Sheena Queen of the Jungle, Witchblade, Power Girl, Red Sonja, Black Canary, Zatanna, Catwoman or even Xena freakin' Warrior Princess.

    Yeah. Why don't you do that for a change?
    But nah....Doc knows what's best for America. Glad you've got a finger on the moral pulse of the nation there, Cotton Mather.
     
  6. marcvader Lurker #1

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    Not once did I say it was an obscure look. Just stating the use of Iconic in relation to that outfit is just wrong. The comparison to IM is also grossly wrong. While IM has looked relatively the same with the same color scheme but varying details for over 300+ comics, his title, Avengers, Tales of Suspense. Ms. Marvel on the other hand has had a couple moonstone suits and the black swimsuit, the one that lasted the longest, for what 50 issues and other Avengers related books and now has completely changed again. Again, I repeat her look is not iconic.
     
  7. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Edit: shortening my responses to Sam.

    So in short, you can't find anyone who said audiences would be offended. Cool.

    Your point was that we cannot decide if the audience will think something is offensive pre-emptively. I gave an example that shows that you most certainly can.

    Morality??? :funny: The idea that thigh high boots are explicitly associated with sex and kink is published on wikipedia, the fact that people judge superheroes by their costumes is an observable phenomenon in common discourse, threads on this site and featurettes on any CBM DVD. I simply connect the two and say: Oh, if we put her in kinky boots, people will think of her as kinky for kink, just like if we put Thor in warrior clothes people will think of him as a warrior for war. That's an intellectual point based on what we know about public perception from multiple sources. My thoughts on the matter, as usual, are irrelevant to the conclusion. This is the case I have made, repeatedly, against the Warbird costume on film.

    It has not met counterpoint. At best "it's just absurd that a few inches of fabric can make her not look trashy"- not that it's not true, but one poster just refused to believe that small things can make a big difference.

    I agree with the first paragraph. The Barb Wire comment refers specifically to the Warbird costume, and it doesn't require black leather to be perceived the same way either.

    I think the explanation of heat is a bit silly, as the costume is not thick enough to cause a heat problem. When flying at high altitudes you'd have to explain how she doesn't freeze to death since she doesn't have armor and is not Asgardian. The only natural rationale is that she gets the costume from Mar-Vell or from the Kree, meaning if you want Carol with bare legs, you're probably going to want to show the Kree soldiers with bare legs as well. And you'll have to address, either in dialogue or exposition the fact that bare legs all the time is something that's a little embarrassing, and not really a good idea for someone who gets in a lot of fights. But it can be done.

    I would agree with this, though I think the IM comparison is a great parallel in terms of the classic costume never seeing filming for many of the same reasons, but fans put the world iconic on things just because they last long, and that's not really accurate.
     
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    :up:

    And it's adorable that some of y'all keep characterizing people who want her to wear something respectable as "offended by skin" or "prudes".
     
  9. Chewy REDACTED

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    Yes, superhero comics as a whole have always treated women as objects for ogling instead of three dimensional characters. And for the most part the medium has been aimed squarely at a male readership. That's changing, finally.

    Joss Whedon said at comic con a few months ago that he goes to comic con every year looking to buy a statue of a female superhero that doesn't look like a porn star posing. Said he had yet to see a single one.
     
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    Then Whedon is a damn liar. I've never been to Comic con but off the top of my head I can think of a Sideshow Collectible She-Hulk statue that's always at Comic Con that has her just standing there with clenched fists. If you think of porn when you see that then you have issues.

    There are plenty of non pornographic statues availiable. It's just a question of what you consider porn.
     
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    I can't speak to what he did or didn't see. And he was obviously exaggerating to an extent. But arguing the specifics of the statement is kind of missing the point, that 90% of all female superhero stuff looks like it's drawn exclusively for 15 year old boys.
     
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    I don't know if I'd go that far. If you're just arguing skintight outfits then you might as well include the vast percentage of male characters too.

    And while there are chicks that are drawn with lots of skin showing there are plenty who wear full or very near full outfits - Storm, Phoenix, Rogue, Wasp, Black Widow
     
  13. Chewy REDACTED

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    Not just how much clothes they're wearing, sometimes it comes down to how broken their spine appears to be
     
  14. Whiskey Tango Registered

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    [​IMG]

    *Liefeld whistles innocently*
     
  15. Chewy REDACTED

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    I'm not even sure why the idea angers some fans so? The character will still be sexy; they'll hire an attractive actress and the outfit will be a generally snug fit. All superhero costumes are. It would just be nice if it was something someone would actually choose to wear, something that looks functional and not embarrassing.

    like how Sif looked like this:
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    instead of this:
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  16. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    Sif could've worked like her comic counterpart, since she's an Asgardian and wears more barbarian-looking clothing. She should've had the headdress certainly. I think she just looked bland in Thor.
     
  17. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Edit: -sigh-
     
  18. Chewy REDACTED

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    The funny thing is that's not how Sif was drawn in the issue. She looked like this
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    They just put that on the cover... to entice 15 year old boys into buying it.
     
  19. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Exactly. The films all have consistent rational storyline reasons why the characters wear what they wear. Why people feel a need to pass panties of as 'barbaric' or thigh highs off as 'fitting in with Captain America' I can't fathom.
     
  20. KangConquers Purple Kang, Purple Kang

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    I was in the doctor's office an hour ago, and they had a wall poster with different spinal disorders. One of them looked exactly like this, and the first thing I thought of was Rob Liefeld.
     
  21. Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

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    And thats the saddest thing I've heard all day. The Marvel universe is full of female characters with spinal disorders.
     
  22. Human Torch Registered

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    This.

    Basically all creativity has been drawn out of superheroine costumes.Every one will have the same generic back jumpsuit at the rate we're going.
     
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    I agree,this was a good chance for something a little more diverse.(Since Sif comes from a different culture) Instead we get a slightly more colorful version of "same old,same old".
     
  24. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    Yep. Superheroine costumes are the equivalent of men's formal clothing while Superhero costumes are like women's dresses - they have much more variety, styles and colours whereas all superheroines seem to be able to wear are the equivalent of dark business suits.
     
  25. Chewy REDACTED

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    So a generic black jumpsuit with stripper boots instead of pants is your idea of creativity?
     

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