BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!)

[dario2739]

I saw BvS 3 days ago, and there was so much to absorb from the film that I'm only now remembering some of the key things I loved in certain scenes.

• The Batmobile's agility, and what it can do. Bursting out of a boat, or hooking onto a car and towing it behind it like it weighed nothing.
• Batman's initial weapons used in the fight against Superman - the sonic weapons (a nod to TDKR) particularly.
• The Batcave and it's sophisticated computer systems
• Kevin Costner returning as Pa Kent. Had no idea he'd be in this.
• Clark listening in on Bruce & Alfred's earpiece conversation at the party
• The cops entering the building and Batman sitting high in the ceiling corner in darkness

.. and much more. Need to go see it again.

On second viewing, I saw so much more and appreciated scenes far more.
The scene where Swanwick tells Lois that LexCorp developed the metal the bullet was made from, and how Lois realised that Lex knew Clark/Superman were the same person was brilliant and understated.
Also the conversation between Lex and Finch before she goes into the hearing is brilliant – Lex keeps dropping hints as to what's gonna happen - "You're going to be in the hot seat" etc.
Loved the way they made Bruce look like the actual owner of Wayne Industries too, he was a hands-on boss, unlike the disinterested Wayne of Nolan's movies.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yes, the film deserves many viewings to notice everything that was put there.

 

[dario2739]

THIS. 100000000000%.

Christ, I see so many armchair critics repeat this "Show, don't tell" shtick and then they ask the silliest questions that only required paying the slightest attention to a story.

Snyder's not the best story teller but there's nothing in MoS or BvS that you can't understand on a first viewing if you pay attention.

On that - I have read so many people asking if Lex set-up Batman, if he was responsible for the messages on Wally's returned cheques –*when told that he did indeed and admitted it on the rooftop to they say they didn't catch it because he talked too fast.
Well last night I took particular notice of this part of the movie – Lex does not speak at all fast during that admission, so it literally is people just not taking notice of even the most simple of things!

 

[routhman]

In STM/SII, Superman is a god with human sensibilities. His character arc is that of a god that rises and falls and then rises again (through both movies). In BvS, he's a man that touches the divine and rejects it. He rises, falls and rises again as a man. It's relevant to our modern sensibilities, but it's also a deconstruction not of the character, but of his audience who've had this conception of him for years (not in small part due to these older movies).

Beautifully put.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yes, the film deserves many viewings to notice everything that was put there.

Which is one reason I can't wait to get this bad boy on blu ray and even better it's extended t:

 

[dario2739]

Which is one reason I can't wait to get this bad boy on blu ray and even better it's extended t:

The one thing I can't wait for on the DVD is that I can pause on the newspaper article about Clark's death... I want to read it all

 

[AnneFan]

I did love seeing Clark listening on Bruce/Alfred.

Yep. Cool moment.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Which is one reason I can't wait to get this bad boy on blu ray and even better it's extended t:

Of course.

So, what do you think about a possible Bruce-Diana romance? Alfred and me would be REALLY happy. Though I feel it's not gonna happen.

 

[BH/HHH]

The one thing I can't wait for on the DVD is that I can pause on the newspaper article about Clark's death... I want to read it all

Oh yeah me too

Of course.

So, what do you think about a possible Bruce-Diana romance? Alfred and me would be REALLY happy. Though I feel it's not gonna happen.

I dunno if they'll go there maybe a flirtation or hints that they're bulling ugliest but Batman isn't really a guy you tie down.

 

[WoodyROM]

Mark Hughes interview with Snyder

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/04/01/interview-zack-snyder-discusses-themes-behind-batman-v-superman/

Lot's of good stuff here, I particularly liked this:

It was wonderful not only because of tying in the emotional resonance of saving Martha, but also because I love the connective tissue between Bruce’s dreaming of rising up [with the bats after the funeral] and then that last image of Superman [in the coffin after the funeral] and the rising up happening there.

ZS: And also the thing he [Bruce] says about, “They took me into the light… a beautiful lie,” which is of course the idea that like, “Oh, if I decide or somehow the path takes me toward this road of being a crimefighter, that’s a path toward enlightenment or what is best in men.” And he realizes now, at the twilight of his crimefighting career, that maybe that’s not what happened, you know? “Twenty years in Gotham, how many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?” “Among us [crimefighters]!” you know? “We are not excluded from that!” He says to Alfred, “We’re criminals. We’ve always been criminals.”

 

[OutOfBoose]

I dunno if they'll go there maybe a flirtation or hints that they're bulling ugliest but Batman isn't really a guy you tie down.

They showed her watching so intently on Bruce, I started imagining things...

 

[sportjames23]

Of course.

So, what do you think about a possible Bruce-Diana romance? Alfred and me would be REALLY happy. Though I feel it's not gonna happen.

No. That reeks of Bruce Timm-ism.

 

[OutOfBoose]

No. That reeks of Bruce Timm-ism.

I like Bruce Timm. ( But I don't know what they cooked in JL. Didn't watch it.

 

[KidwiththeGold]

Is this a thread where I can get away from all the negative nancy's, or are some those posters invading this one as well wishing for the downfall of this movie. I still love this movie & going to see it again this weekend ..

 

[OutOfBoose]

You're in the right place.

 

[jasontodd]

What irritates me so much is the hyperbole and mudslinging going on in other threads in the forum. As well as the complete dismissal and disregard of discussion of any underlying meaning or themes present in the film. Even though it is clear that a great deal of thought and care was put into the many visual metaphors and the overall story. Detractors have this air of superiority with this film, as though anyone who found any meaning or emotional resonance in it are beneath them. Even though interviews, like the one posted from Mark Hughes with Snyder clearly show that at the very least the overwhelming majority of what has been discussed in terms of their dramatic intentions with the film were by design. Whether or not they succeeded flawlessly is debatable and a largely subjective matter of opinion. But this elitist contingent that deems the movie a failure and actually a laughing stock that is sophomoric with no depth, do so while ignoring evidence to the contrary.

 

[KidwiththeGold]

Good ! Funny how some people are making a mockery of the whole Martha's name scene.. When I seen it with my sisters after the movie they both said how the scene was so clever ,& that they never thought about that ( & I don't ever think they read a comic in their lives lol).. I guess some people get it some dont

 

[BH/HHH]

What irritates me so much is the hyperbole and mudslinging going on in other threads in the forum. As well as the complete dismissal and disregard of discussion of any underlying meaning or themes present in the film. Even though it is clear that a great deal of thought and care was put into the many visual metaphors and the overall story. Detractors have this air of superiority with this film, as though anyone who found any meaning or emotional resonance in it are beneath them. Even though interviews, like the one posted from Mark Hughes with Snyder clearly show that at the very least the overwhelming majority of what has been discussed in terms of their dramatic intentions with the film were by design. Whether or not they succeeded flawlessly is debatable and a largely subjective matter of opinion. But this elitist contingent that deems the movie a failure and actually a laughing stock that is sophomoric with no depth, do so while ignoring evidence to the contrary.

There's also the trollish posts that do noting but take digs yet we do that in here we get warned.

 

[HELLilac]

I can't get some scenes out of my head.. I think that's a good thing, right?

Some people said this film is going to be forgotten soon as people who liked didn't really like it. I don't think that's the case at all. Why would I keep thinking about the film if I had to force myself to like it?

 

[KidwiththeGold]

I can't get some scenes out of my head.. I think that's a good thing, right?

That's what happen to me when I went to the Fan Screening , i didnt get to bed till late early morning , the movie stays with you

 

[KidwiththeGold]

What irritates me so much is the hyperbole and mudslinging going on in other threads in the forum. As well as the complete dismissal and disregard of discussion of any underlying meaning or themes present in the film. Even though it is clear that a great deal of thought and care was put into the many visual metaphors and the overall story. Detractors have this air of superiority with this film, as though anyone who found any meaning or emotional resonance in it are beneath them. Even though interviews, like the one posted from Mark Hughes with Snyder clearly show that at the very least the overwhelming majority of what has been discussed in terms of their dramatic intentions with the film were by design. Whether or not they succeeded flawlessly is debatable and a largely subjective matter of opinion. But this elitist contingent that deems the movie a failure and actually a laughing stock that is sophomoric with no depth, do so while ignoring evidence to the contrary.

There's other forums around the web where there's plenty of good discussions .. but yes it's ridiculous , you would think these posters are getting paid.. But even on my FB timeline ive had to defend this movie, & amazed at the ppl that just don't get it smh.. I think it has to do w/ ppl actually having a foundations to hate because of the critics.. They feel embolden , so it turns into a mob mentality.. I've said it before the 3 biggest movies last yr Star Wars, Jurassic World , Age of Ultron all had major flaws, some similar to BvS yet ppl were able to overlook them.. At least this movie was original big & ambitious (maybe too much) but I enjoyed it very much & give them Kudos for that

 

[BH/HHH]

Not sure if anyone listens to the SuicideSquadCast but they loved BvS and the podcast on the movie is fantastic.

 

[The Guard]

This is a matter of taste but it's one of the things that I actually love about Snyder films. His films show rather than tell, and in that sense they are more demanding. Many viewers have a low tolerance for that. I've just gotten around to watching some of the Collider videos and seeing Jon Schnepp apoplectic about lack of verbal exposition--and wanting what sounded like actually very crude ways of communicating things to the audience. He's clearly frustrated by what the movie demands of the viewer.

I love mining, sifting through, and excavating layers of meaning in a film, and to me BvS is absolutely chock-full of them.

Exactly.

 

[rogbngp]

I'm not judging; I'm just saying that at this stage I don't know if I'll end up watching the Extended Cut because it seems kind of frivolous.

I would definitely recommend watching it because as Frosty Weintraub reported on Collider Heroes, based on his conversations with Zack Snyder it appears that the film was originally shot to be around 3:05! As of 5-6 months ago the studio's plan was to release it at that length! Then the studio changed its mind and insisted that it be trimmed down to 2:31.

The important thing to understand about this is that there was a finished version of the film that was intended for release by Snyder that ran about 3:05. That version went under the knife and basically got a limb sawed off.

If this info is accurate, then I would say that if anyone is going to be angry about the editing of this film, please direct it at WB. Do not reflexively blame Snyder or assume that Chris Terrio didn't write a good script (as Jon Schnepp alleges). It looks like 1/6 (!) of this film is missing from the theater release!

This is not the same as simply having shot extra footage just in case they might want to add it for a longer version, and they decided not to put it in to the theater release. Terrio and Snyder (respectively) wrote and shot the film to be considerably longer. Then execs got clay feet and whittled it down.


Perhaps because WB's execs 1) feared that audiences would get antsy sitting through a 3 hour movie, and 2) they wanted to slate more screenings of it at a 2.5 hour length, they edited the **** out this film.

Again, we need confirmation of this report, and we need to see the Ultimate cut. But if all of this is true, if you ask me it is a miracle that it is still as good as it is. I even consider the theater release to be a great film (what makes it great to me far outweighs the editing problems.) I don't want to get my hopes too high for what the extra half hour of footage can do to improve the film. But that is a lot of footage to remove from a film that was presumably integral to telling the story properly.

Here's the video with the report by Frosty. It's from 11:35 - 12:45. This is crucial information for anyone to understand about the film:

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(Note: there's a couple instances of swearing in this video, but not at 11:35 - 12:45.)

 

[Legendver2]

Any of you guys know what that painting of angels and demons was in Lex's mansion? Reminds me of something from Gustav Dore, but in color.