The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[regwec]

Yet you read and replied to his.

 

[Mister H.]

His fans believe he can bring out a missing element in Bruce, something more to live for than beating up criminals. That Robin can give Batman's life a deeper meaning, and that he sees himself in Dick Grayson and can maybe be a stablizing force in his life, while steering him towards the right way to do things if he insists on following in his footsteps. I'm sure I've left some things out, as no two people interpret things identically, but that's the way I see their side of the argument. My point is, that isn't the least bit interesting to me. I don't need to see that in a Nolan film, and thank goodness Nolan feels the same way.

And SecretFawful, you really need to loosen up. I'd be embarassed if I were you and I re-read that last post. Thumping your chest and trying to run me off because you think you have a deeper understanding of the multi-faceted and mind-bending complexity of the "Boy Wonder" than I do? Come on man.

So, I posted this yesterday afternoon in the process of pissing off half of
SHH, and I'm still being labeled as ignorant and being told I have no right to speak about a character I know nothing about. So please, somebody enlighten as to what I'm missing out on. I'm guessing there isn't anything. It's not that I'm clueless, it's that I offended the delicate sensibilities of some folks who are clearly way too defensive about a character that they are used to hearing be the butt of jokes.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

You can't have a strong opinion one way or another on anything around here without pissing off half the community, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

 

[Mister H.]

I'd be surprised if those friends of yours would appreciate that. Robin's costume isn't and never has been "gay," as cloth is incapable of having a sexual orientation. His old costume with the skivvies and the pixie boots is considered "campy" to modern tastes, and even though camp is strongly associated with the gay community, that does not mean that all gay people are campy or even find the style appealing. The two terms are not interchangeable, and it's best for you to learn that now lest you offend more people in the future.

No, I am allowed to joke around with the folks I know, and they joke with me. That's what friends do. They make fun of their homosexuality, they make fun of my heterosexuality. I return the favor. Not everyone is as uptight as you are making it sound. I'm well aware that not all gay people are campy, and you're right-- the gay people I know don't wear "skivvies" or "pixie boots" (to my knowledge). Thanks a bunch though for the lesson in civility, I'll try to keep your suggestions in mind from now on when I see them at work or at social gatherings/parties.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Skipping straight to Nightwing without bothering with Robin removes the father and son relationship from their history and makes their partnership a lot less interesting. Batman might as well have pulled one of those fake Batmen aside in TDK and taken him under his wing.

Edit: There seems to be a good number of people stuck on the "Seduction of the Innocent" thing where Batman and Robin were portrayed as gay lovers meant to "corrupt" young readers. I mean, it's fun to look at certain old comic panels and giggle at the (usually unintended) innuendo in some of them, but I thought most comic book fans despised that nut's book and all the censorship it brought about.

What nut?

How will that work? He HAS to be Robin before you can move onto Nightwing. You have to tell his past or don't do it all.

Well there are a lot of people in this thread that dont know what they re talking about. In every page there will be one asking for NW and someone else whining about Robin's suit. Same ****, different pages.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'd say Robin Year One should be the second film, with Robin being fully robin and fully trained to fight but still learning. The first film should be like DV in that we see him earn his right as Robin and also kind of like the 89 script that had robin in.

I dont remember DV all that well, party because it was a snoozefest, but if i am not mistaken Robin was barely in it. The way they should handle it is like The Batman show did, as well as Robin Year One. It might all fit in one film, or need several.

Oh yeah, for all the crap The Batman gets, it had some good episodes like the one about Robin's origin. You should check it out.

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[Mr. Earle]

Very well.

A child can't be smarter/wiser than an adult Bruce Wayne.
A child can't be stronger than an adult Bruce Wayne.

Bruce Wayne has no use for a child as sidekick.

Also, Batman putting at risk something more than his own life after Dent and Rachel?

Sure..

So one can only help another if he's smarter or more capable? Did you also consider that Robin is his pupil, his contigency plan in case he dies, his hope for the future?

And if Bruce Wayne needed to be near his 30's to become a crime-fighter, it's logical that Dick Grayson should need the same.

1) Dick Grayson is a top level acrobat so he can at least be mobile and avoid getting hurt until he's more capable in fighting.
2) He could provide support, like staying behind or above and throwing batarangs, smoke bombs, etc.
3) If you re so stuck on realism, let me inform you that a microwave emitter should have fried people as well, not just selectively evaporated water. TEH REALISMS!!!

 

[Mister H.]

You can't have a strong opinion one way or another on anything around here without pissing off half the community, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

Not sweating it, I've actually laughed quite a few times. I've got people genuinely mad at me because I made fun of a fictional character. It's pretty funny.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Not sweating it, I've actually laughed quite a few times. I've got people genuinely mad at me because I made fun of a fictional character. It's pretty funny.

No, you made people mad because you trolled so i guess "successful troll is successfull" is in order. Well done sir.

Well, certainly, anyone in that old costume is going to look silly.

I've been watching Young Justice, and I think they have a really strong interpretation of Robin--he has a darker costume, he emphasizes stealth and guile as opposed to direct assault, and it's easy to imagine him working alongside Batman. However, he still has Robin's more spirited attitude--he'll disappear, and you'll hear him laughing from somewhere, because he's about to bring **** down on the bad guy's head.

I really like his sneaky disappearing act. Its his own "superpower" that helps him cope next to powerhouses like Superboy. Like you said he's still Robin, but uses Batman's M.O of stealth and cunning. Btw he's kind of a *****e and rather "Tim Drakey", but that's off topic.

Part of why Batman and Robin have a good dynamic is because of the dichotomy between them, so while, yes, it's usually good to make Robin darker, if he's just a mini-Batman, that becomes pointless and defeats the purpose. This is why Damian operates as Dick's Robin rather than Bruce's; Damian is so much like Bruce that such a partnership would simply not be interesting--it's much better to partner Damian with Dick, who is a much more free-spirited Batman.

 

[Mister H.]

So one can help another only if he's smarter or more capable? Did you also consider that Robin is his pupil, his contigency plan in case he dies, his hope for the future? 1) Dick Grayson is a top level acrobat so he can at least be mobile and avoid getting hurt until he's more capable in fighting.
2) He could provide support, like staying behind or above and throwing batarangs, smoke bombs, etc.
3) A microwave emitter should have fried people as well, not just selectively evaporated water. TEH REALISMS!!!

Thank you for helping illustrate why Robin won't work in Nolan's continuity. Remember the title of this thread before you get offended-- "Nolan...add Robin!!!!!"

 

[Mister H.]

No, you made people mad because you trolled so i guess "successful troll is successfull" is in order. Well done sir.

Define troll for me, I'm not sure I know what that means anymore.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Thank you for helping illustrate why Robin won't work in Nolan's continuity. Remember the title of this thread before you get offended-- "Nolan...add Robin!!!!!"

I dont get what's so unrealistic about those things i said. In fact i gave those as an alternative to a Hitgirl like Robin who beats 10 thugs at once. Although i wouldnt have much of a problem with that, i think they should start by giving him a more supporting role like mentioned above and only later pit him in direct combat.

Define troll for me, I'm not sure I know what that means anymore.

Posting ignorant opinions and discarding opinions that you dont like without any arguements. You remind me of Baleshead and her hate towards Catwoman that led her to troll the respective thread. If you dont like the character you can just stay away. Other people might hate the character as well, but they make legitimate arguements and talk like civilized people, accepting different opinions.

See you might know some things about Robin, but knowing because someone told you and actually experiencing it are different things. I think that if i just talked about TDK to anyone he'd laugh at me, but when you watch it, its highly likely that you ll like it if its B.O success is any indication. Right now you re just hating on Robin because of his costume and age and yet you probably watched KickAss and liked Hitgirl, and i bet that you will go and watch Spiderman 4 and Superman despite their silly suits, etc.

So can we please discuss this character without people like you running around shouting "ROBIN SUCKS AND YOU MUST NOT LIKE HIM"?

 

[Anchor_Content]

Fact: Robin or some variation thereof will likely appear in TDKR.

Also fact:

Peeps need to chillax in this thread

 

[JStorm]

Fact: Robin or some variation thereof will likely appear in TDKR.

Also fact:

Peeps need to chillax in this thread

Link or it's not a "fact."

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Wasn't the Robin of BTAS already a teen when he showed up in the series?

 

[The Joker]

Wasn't the Robin of BTAS already a teen when he showed up in the series?

Yes. He was in college, in fact.

 

[MoonChild]

In Aliens, Newt survives alone, without weapons against fierce predatory killers.

My point is, don't underestimate the children.

I think Robin can work in a realistic way, and for me Robin represents the future, a younger man who Bruce realizes is potentially his equal, so assuming that Bruce does end his journey with Batman in TDKR, Robin is there to show that the spirit of the Bat lives on, albeit in another person.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

lol you have proof that robin will be in it? bahahahaha

 

[Ponyboy]

The only Robin I wanna see is Carrie Kelley.

That is all.

 

[Boom]

Fact: Robin will not be in this film.

This game is fun .

 

[Saint]

Fact: Robin will not be in this film.

This game is fun .

Fact: if the Hype was the DC Universe, I would be Batman.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Fact: if the Hype was the DC Universe, I would be Batman.

Can I be Robin? I'm young and useless. Put me in harm's way!

 

[bonesawmcgraw]

Anywhoo.... I like most fans of the comic book character Batman would love to see Robin done well on film. But I'd rather not see his character bastardized for the sake of this film. In Nolan's original Batman project Robin would have been a main character, he was going to adapt DKR, for those interested. But so far in Nolan's films he just hasn't been able to fit. Begins showed us Batman's origin, Bruce didn't even know how to be Batman, let alone train someone else to be Batman. In The Dark Knight we're still early in the career but it would have had a better chance than Begins, but the mob was all but destroyed by Joker and Two-Face. The Dark Knight Rises could very well be the remnants of the mob being rebuilt by Bane so he can become the new king of Gotham. If there is a fourth movie, a vague sequel then Robin could be introduced as the mob attacks the circus. Keep up the story of Dark Victory with the movie universes twists, like Dick acting like Lucius as an Oracle type figure. Dick could go out, flexing his detective skills, trying to discover who killed the Graysons. Maybe wearing the circus suit (Black and red one). And at the end of the movie, becomes Nightwing after customizing himself a Batsuit, when Batman cannot take down foes alone.

... thus proving that most Robin fans are prepubescent boys with self-esteem issues.

 

[Saint]

Can I be Robin? I'm young and useless. Put me in harm's way!

Your first task is to defeat The Joker Mr. Earle in personal combat, and bring him to justice.

Also, I will be timing you.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Fact: if the Hype was the DC Universe, I would be Batman.

Your first task is to defeat The Joker Mr. Earle in personal combat, and bring him to justice.

Also, I will be timing you.

That's a nigh impossible first task.
Perhaps he should start with something easier.