The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[Gianakin_]

If I were you I'd edit the picture.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Good advice. It is now TEH KITTEHS!!!

 

[Mr. Earle]

As a sidenote, I just want to add that Goyer and Nolan changed their minds radically before. During the BB release they said they didnt want any known villains in their Batworld because they would overshadow the character, and either Nolan or Goyer (I think Goyer) specifically mentioned that they wouldnt be using Joker, just hinted him. That and their old idea of not using the villains that have been used before

Im not saying Robin will appear, that wont happen and cant happen as I explained in previous pages. Nor would I want it to happen

100 bucks says that some idiot is going to come into the next page and post "but nolan said 1000 years ago that he wont adapt robin!!!!"

100 bucks man.

 

[RobinFreddie27]

I'm sure we can all agree that Nolan suddenly including Robin in TDKR is wildly unlikely. A debate about Robin is fine, but it's odd that some people really believe the chances of him being in the next movie are anything above miniscule.

sorry dude get over yourself! Robin being in TDKr is highly LIKELY! your just too deluded to realize it would be a natural progression of the story! Begins =year one tdk= the Long haloowen and guess what comes after long halloween genious? DARK VICTORY which is the introduction of robin, and the Hypocrit bales "FAVORITE" story ironically.

 

[RobinFreddie27]

100 bucks says that some idiot is going to come into the next page and post "but nolan said 1000 years ago that he wont adapt robin!!!!"

100 bucks man.

BINGO! exactly there was even a freaking video interview while back where Jonathan nolan and david goyer were saying they dont know if wed ever see a catwoman! we know how that went!

 

[GothamAlleys]

100 bucks says that some idiot is going to come into the next page and post "but nolan said 1000 years ago that he wont adapt robin!!!!"

100 bucks man.

Lol, well thats a pitty that most people dont read any messages that were posted before them, and this way arguments just go in circles. In the batsuit thread I repeated the same answer at least 3 times because on each new page someone else asked the same question that was posted a page or 2 before

 

[RobinFreddie27]

Some of the darkest stories in the history of Batman have featured Robin. The first Joker story is pretty dark and serious. Robin is featured in that story. Are you claiming that the first Joker story is somehow not a proper Batman story?

The bit about Robin not belonging in the realm of Batman is just as nonsensical. Robin has been around for seventy years and has been a presence in the majority of Batman stories. Are you claiming that the majority of Batman stories aren't proper Batman stories?

Robin was a key ingredient in the first Joker story. He was a key factor in the first Two-Face story. He was a key factor in the first Scarecrow story. He was a key factor in the first Catwoman story. He was a key factor in the first Ra's al Ghul story. Are you claiming that none of these stories are proper Batman stories?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Robin was a key ingredient in the first Joker story. He was a key factor in the first Two-Face story. He was a key factor in the first Scarecrow story. He was a key factor in the first Catwoman story. He was a key factor in the first Ra's al Ghul story. Are you claiming that none of these stories are proper Batman stories?

Also, he played a very important role when Engelheart re-introduced Hugo Strange to the modern age of Batman comics in the late 70s. When Batman was all drugged up and captured by Strange, he busted in there to break him out, DG/Robin was v cool in all of his appearances in that classic run by Engleheart.

 

[RobinFreddie27]

Also, he played a very important role when Engelheart re-introduced Hugo Strange to the modern age of Batman comics in the late 70s. When Batman was all drugged up and captured by Strange, he busted in there to break him out, DG/Robin was v cool in all of his appearances in that classic run by Engleheart.

Agreed that was awesome!

 

[raybia]

Hello RobinFreddie. I used to know a guy named freddie on these very same boards a ways back.

 

[The Joker]

Wow, Spider-Freddie made a brief come back. The forums would be doomed if he was allowed stay.

 

[El Payaso]

1) Dick Grayson is a top level acrobat so he can at least be mobile and avoid getting hurt until he's more capable in fighting.

I think Batman knows that you need more than a circus acrobat to fight crime, no matter how angry he is. He has to know that.

2) He could provide support, like staying behind or above and throwing batarangs, smoke bombs, etc.

And without the proper training - and this is not just about physical abilities - he could mean a big problem for Batman since he wouldn't have to protect himself only. There's someone else - a minor mind you - who he has to be taking care of the whole time.

3) If you re so stuck on realism, let me inform you that a microwave emitter should have fried people as well, not just selectively evaporated water. TEH REALISMS!!!

One thing is when you fanmtasize about non-existent technology and a different one when you do about human abilities. In Nolan universe Bruce Wayne took up to his 30's to be fully prepared to be Batman. It's logical to assume some other human being would need about the same. Maybe some less time but never 1/3 of it. Or else, let's call this Robin & Batman.

 

[Saint]

The Arch Nolanites are the most dogmatic group of people the world has ever seen; they adore the teachings of their prophet so passionately, that they even try to imagine what those teachings might be on subjects on which they are silent.

In a crescendo of fervor, they preached to us all that there was no way their Messiah would allow The Joker to be clad in the deeply unrealistic colour of purple.

When they found that they had strayed from The Nolan's will, they clawed at their faces and threw dust into their hair.

Is it wrong that I think being an Arch Nolanite, following The Way of The Nolan sounds like the best thing in the universe?

I'd love to be an Arch Anything, really.

 

[Yurka]

I really dont want Robin anywhere near these movies, and I highly doubt he will be in it. This should be Batman's story.

 

[Knight Rise]

If Robin gets in, it wont be Batman rising.

Christopher Nolan's dumbest idea presents: The Gay Jokes Are A Rising

 

[Secret Fawful]

I think Batman knows that you need more than a circus acrobat to fight crime, no matter how angry he is. He has to know that.

If anything it would be a stepping stone to make him easier to train than Bruce was.

One thing is when you fanmtasize about non-existent technology and a different one when you do about human abilities. In Nolan universe Bruce Wayne took up to his 30's to be fully prepared to be Batman. It's logical to assume some other human being would need about the same. Maybe some less time but never 1/3 of it. Or else, let's call this Robin & Batman.

If Bruce had been taken in by the League in Nolan's world at the age of twelve, he could have broken bones and severely injured others. By the age of sixteen, he could have probably killed somebody, especially as people are considered, I think, an adult at sixteen in Europe. Actually, I take that back. He could have killed at twelve easily, especially with the right mindset and worldview. Nolan's Batman and Nolan's Robin, if he existed in the universe, would fight drastically different in style. Robin would be more acrobatic, and Bruce more of an animalistic way, since he's not an acrobat like Dick. I never saw Nolan's Batman train in acrobatics or he could have probably made that jump in Begins from GPD HQ.

 

[Saint]

I really dont want Robin anywhere near these movies, and I highly doubt he will be in it. This should be Batman's story.

That's sort of like saying "I don't think Alfred should be in these movies, this is Batman's story."

The supporting characters inform the main character's story.

 

[Yurka]

That's sort of like saying "I don't think Alfred should be in these movies, this is Batman's story."

The supporting characters inform the main character's story.

Alfred doesnt need a backstory and wouldnt share screentime with Batman for the majority of the movie though. No one wants to see a Robin origin involved in the last stage in the franchise.

 

[Saint]

If Robin gets in, it wont be Batman rising.

Christopher Nolan's dumbest idea presents: The Gay Jokes Are A Rising

I don't think our creative choices should be informed by the reality that stupid people will make stupid jokes.

 

[Saint]

Alfred doesnt need a backstory and wouldnt share screentime with Batman for the majority of the movie though. No one wants to see a Robin origin involved in the last stage in the franchise.

That's not really the point; if a supporting character--regardless of "origins" and "screentime"--is written and employed in such a way that informs the main character's story rather than replacing it, then there is no problem.

Really, I don't understand why people get all concerned about "origins." In every other genre, they don't call it an origin--they call it the story. Aliens didn't become Alien 2: THE ORIGIN OF NEWT. Spider-Man 2 wasn't renamed "The Origin of Dr. Octopus;" Iron Man 2 wasn't "The Fall of Justin Hammer"--those things happened, but they were just part of the story, so I hardly see why anyone would think introducing Robin would somehow hijack Batman's story.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Damn, I don't know if that was the real spiderfreddie or just a good imatator, but I wish he hadn't gotten banned already. The Hype is always more fun when he is around. Also, I have to give freddie some credit here, because for all of his bad casting decisions over the years (Freddie Prinze Jr. as Batman comes to mind) he was spot-on when he said that Henry Cavill was the Christian Bale of Superman actors.

Only problem was, he said it back when Cavill was still like, 20 years old, so many of us didn't agree. But I guess he was ahead of his time there.

Oh... and just for old times sake...

I Wnt RObin In At!!!!111

 

[GL1]

^Yes.

The thing that makes Robin's training so realistic is that he starts with A) tons of natural talent B) a lot younger C) with a great teacher. This means no he doesn't take 30 years to train... or 10 years, like Bruce did. He probably takes 4 to 5 to gain an equal skill level, though the differences in psychology and experience make him a very different enttity, and provide for a pretty good supporting character.

I think when we do see Robin in the movies, likely in a fourth film, he'll be as different from the comics as the Tumbler is from the Batmobile... including not being known as the Batmobile.

 

[Yurka]

That's not really the point; if a supporting character--regardless of "origins" and "screentime"--is written and employed in such a way that informs the main character's story rather than replacing it, then there is no problem.

Really, I don't understand why people get all concerned about "origins." In every other genre, they don't call it an origin--they call it the story. Aliens didn't become Alien 2: THE ORIGIN OF NEWT. Spider-Man 2 wasn't renamed "The Origin of Dr. Octopus;" Iron Man 2 wasn't "The Fall of Justin Hammer"--those things happened, but they were just part of the story, so I hardly see why anyone would think introducing Robin would somehow hijack Batman's story.

Theres a difference though whenever its a villain or a random unknown childs origin, but when it involves such a beloved character as Batman, then including another vigilante so similar to team up with him just seems like it steals some of his thunder. I honestly believe Batman Forever would have been better without Robin. Granted I have more faith in Nolan, but I feel that any story involving a team of "superheros" takes away from the main characters overall story. Robin = Less screen time for Batman in the end.

 

[hatebox]

Very few characters need a depiction of their origin, but Robin would be one of them if he's ever included in a Batman film. I can't fathom how he could be part of the story without some kind of backstory build up. At the very least you'd have to take time establishing the beginnings of his relationship with Batman (stop laughing at the back there, that's not what I meant) and for the sake of this thread I don't see TDKR really having that kind of time.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I still say nay.

I say hold off till Nolan is done with his 3 arch, then bring in the little dude.