The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[Diamondhead]

Nolan is still wearind is underroos as you can see
more power to him
if he wants to put robin, you better shut your mouth and go along with it, as his latest choice for catwoman
I agree
and please shut your face

 

[Saint]

I don't get why people think this.

It's simply a matter of what makes sense in the universe you're playing in.

Consider that this Batman doesn't seem to just roam around the streets, beating up random thugs. We don't really see him go "on patrol" so to speak. Instead, Batman seems to operate in a very mission-oriented way, where he targets specific criminals at specific times and plans an operation to deal with them.

So, in that respect, Robin isn't going to be a kid who runs alongside Batman across rooftops looking for random thugs to beat up. I think it makes the most sense for Batman to use him as operational support--surveillance, sabotage, things like that. Regardless of Robin's prowess, I don't believe that, in this iteration of the mythos, Batman intending for Robin to enter combat situations flies. It simply doesn't ring true.

Now, if Robin enters such situations against Batman's orders, then that's a scenario with potential.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think that Nolan just didnt have time for the classic patrol scene. He had so much to do in BB and TDK. But, if the dude refusing to sell drugs at the start of TDK (right after the bank robbery) is any indication, Batman has brought it down on all of them, not just the big heads. And then there's Gotham Times reporting Batman's various deeds. Sure it wasnt in the movie, but i bet they didnt just put anything in there.

 

[Saint]

I think that Nolan just didnt have time for the classic patrol scene. He had so much to do in BB and TDK. But, if the dude refusing to sell drugs at the start of TDK (right after the bank robbery) is any indication, Batman has brought it down on all of them, not just the big heads. And then there's Gotham Times reporting Batman's various deeds. Sure it wasnt in the movie, but i bet they didnt just put anything in there.

I suppose it's possible.

 

[aandfrugby25]

Adding Robin to the Nolan Batman universe could make for some awkward moments...

 

[regwec]

Dick's parents are also dead.

"Holy child abuse, Dick" might be a better caption.

 

[Two-Face]

Or not. Miller's All Star Batman has Robin locked in the cave and forced to catch rats and eat them for some reason. But even in cannon comics Batman has been harsh on Dick, sometimes even kicking him to the curb because he broke his rules or whatever.

Look, this Batman isnt really that grimdark anyway, he might be rather sad but he has his moments with Alfred and Fox, so i doubt it would be much of a change.

Well he's "Goddamn Batman" LOL.

 

[Texas Zombie]

It could be possible to see batman training robin for future missions, maybe realizing they will never stop needing batman after batman came on the scene. Why would the crazies stop dressing up?

He then disobeys orders and enters direct combat with people, but batman putting robins life endanger, instead of his own is just not fitting of the character who nolan has crafted.

 

[The Guard]

I'm pretty sure all the silly arguments against Robin other than "I just don't like Robin" (Which is valid) have been blown to smithereens by now...so I'll just say this.

It's hilarious to watch people saying things amounting to "Well, but you can't use Robin like he has always been used in the comics", and then see people countering with things that amount to "Sure, but you can always use him like he's always been used in the comics".

Robin doesn't have to be in this franchise, and I'd actually now much prefer to see him in the next three films or something along those lines than see him shortchanged in TDKR.

But other than some elements about his suit's believeability and appropriateness, the concept ain't broke, and doesn't need fixed.

 

[raybia]

I guess this thread will be coming to an end soon.

No despair Robin fans, He will appear in an upcoming Batman movie, just not one directed by the great Christopher Nolan.

 

[DaveMoral]

I honestly wish Levitt is playing a cop named Dick Grayson, part of Gordon's task force who does some further digging and realizes the good that the Batman is doing and decides to help.

I don't mind a reinvention of the character. Not everything has to stay the same all the time...right?

That sounds an awful lot like the Batman: Nine Lives noir graphic novel. Dick Grayson is a private eye. Etc. Nolan would love it. Batman is basically the only character that's like himself in the comics. Each and ever rogue is merely a 30s gangster version of themselves without the gaudy and over the top quality. Joker doesn't even wear white make up. Riddler is a bank teller nerd. Mr Freeze is a pale skinned cold hearted hitman for the Penguin. Clayface is a rival gangster with a facial deformity.

For all that re-imagining and Dick Tracy-fying, it's an outstanding book.

 

[Texas Zombie]

The concept is broken. The batman established in nolans franchise would not use robin under the comicbook circumstances. A young child should not be sent in to do the work, who nolans batman feels is his responsibility.

 

[BatmanReborn]

Personally, I dont understand why we cant have Dick Grayson without Robin. If you want Bruce to experience true redemption, than Dick could easily be the trigger to that path. Thats very much how he was used in Dark Victory. Bruce takes him in cause his situation mirrors his own. Through caring for the boy, he learns to come back from the abyss before its too late. ROBIN, isnt needed at all for that. You could have him perform in the suit, and you could even have him go out himself in that costume to take the law into his own hands, but thats how Bruce can realize the error in what he is doing, and, where his parents killer got away, ***** parents killer can be brought to justice, making the need for Robin (the hero) go away, Dick is not haunted like Bruce is. Then, if the next director wants to bring in Robin, go right ahead, he is robin because he chooses to be, Batman is batman because he needs to be. Big difference. plus, by the next trilogy, Dick can age a few years making a "Robin" more believable

 

[Ultimate Doom]

The only Robin I want is Williams

 

[GothamCitizen]

i can agree with the fact that robin is a big part of the batman universe...but how big? as a batman fan i often overlook robin and wouldnt really care if he is never mentioned in nolans universe. i love the dark aspects of batman..the gothic concepts...to me robin takes that away..he lightens the world batman is in and cheapens it. thats just me anyway what do i know. in nolan i trust

 

[aandfrugby25]

Nolan says Robin wouldnt fit in with his vision of the movies and thats good enough for me. Unless u guys think you can do better then i say let it go.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Robins only purpose during his creation was to give batman someone to talk to.
Batman has alfred, does he really need robin for anything?
And what role does he fill in batmans life, as he is definitely not the confidant?

 

[aandfrugby25]

Robins only purpose during his creation was to give batman someone to talk to.
Batman has alfred, does he really need robin for anything?
And what role does he fill in batmans life, as he is definitely not the confidant?

Agreed, but i would argue that Robins purpose was to make Batman more kid friendly and therefore sell more comic books.

 

[Saint]

Robins only purpose during his creation was to give batman someone to talk to.

Batman's only purpose during his creation was to capitalize on the popularity of Superman. So what? The characters have evolved; the conditions and motivations for their creation are unbelievably irrelevant.

Batman has alfred, does he really need robin for anything?
And what role does he fill in batmans life, as he is definitely not the confidant?

Important fact: supporting characters have different relationships and fill different roles; "Batman doesn't need Robin because he has Alfred" is the most preposterous argument a person could possibly make on the subject, as the roles they fill are not even remotely similar. You might as well being saying "Batman doesn't need Gordon because he has Alfred!" I can't fathom a more irrelevant comparison.

I don't know about you, but I think the relationship and between Batman and his surrogate father is maybe just a little bit different from the relationship he has with his partner and surrogate son.

If you don't like Robin, good for you--but this "He doesn't need him because he has Alfred!" nonsense is absurd.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Thats probably why he was made a child, but the writers of the comics have stated his purpose of creation.

He was made a child so batman had someone to talk to.
So they didnt have to make thought bubbles all the time.

I see no purpose for robin in the series, but what role specifically does he fill. The only thing I can even come up with is this.

Robin in modern comics, humanizes batman, giving him a less cold demeanor and as well he provides interesting dialogue that would be otherwise non-existent. I don't think batman really "needs" him though.

In fact I would go as far to say that robin, batgirl, and all other sidekicks weaken him. Batman doesnt get beat to death, he doesnt get a broken spine(from a shooting).

Batman has no one to slow him down when he works alone, but he is not omnipresent so robin does help on missions.


What I really should just ask is, at this point in time, what purpose does robin serve to batman and how can he make a better story for tdkr?

 

[Timstuff]

Important fact: supporting characters have different relationships and fill different roles; "Batman doesn't need Robin because he has Alfred" is the most preposterous argument a person could possibly make on the subject, as the roles they fill are not even remotely similar. You might as well being saying "Batman doesn't need Gordon because he has Alfred!" I can't fathom a more irrelevant comparison.

Gordon does not have a hatedom nearly as big as Robin's.

 

[aandfrugby25]

The only Robin I want is Williams

I prefer Robin Quivers

 

[Saint]

Gordon does not have a hatedom nearly as big as Robin's.

Yeah, and President Obama is 49 years old. Neither fact is relevant to my point, nor to the point it was a response to, however.

As I said in my post, if somebody hates Robin to death; power to them. It's the crappy reasoning I was responding to.

 

[Mister H.]

^ But no reason is good enough for people like you. I could write a thesis on why I don't like Robin (why most people don't like Robin) and you'd still approach me with the same condescending "you just don't get it" tone. You can claim that somebody else's thoughts are "irrelevant" but they are relevant to them.

And why does Batman need a surrogate son? There aren't a lot of folks that think that is even remotely important, yet a few posters in this particular thread would have you believe you are less of a Batman fan if you don't follow that line of reasoning. I can easily argue I'm more of a Batman fan, as I'd rather see more Batman, less sidekick. It's kind of ridiculous.

 

[Texas Zombie]

They are also relevant to sales ^
public opinion that is.