RoboCop Reboot - Part 4

[dark_b]

Again, I haven't even seen the first Robocop (I'm sure that I caught tons of pieces of it on cable back in the day, but don't remember anything)...but my take is this.

The theme of this movie seems very modern. The idea appears to be kind of a mix of the fear of a militarized, all powerful government along with a transhumanism thing where the government controls him and he tries to break the hold. This fits right in with the conspiratorial and protest type films like Iron Man 3, Star Trek Into Darkness, Elysium etc.

I have no clue what the "point" of the first Robocop was...but this one certainly seems to fit our times.

what do you mean you havent seen the first robocop movie? a SHH member who has not see the original Robocp movie?

what is this?

 

[Spade]

The drama they showed felt way more flat than Verhoeven's original. Like they've traded in the social satire for dull(er) political commentary. The special effects look neat, though. So, I don't know...? I'd hoped for a better first impression.

 

[Heretic]

what do you mean you havent seen the first robocop movie? a SHH member who has not see the original Robocp movie?

what is this?

I grew up really poor...so I never went to the movies, and only saw them when I was at a friends house who had cable. I missed A LOT of movies that people are shocked about. I was an adult before I ever saw a Disney movie, so I've never seen Bambi, Dumbo etc. I've never seen Wizard of Oz, Godfather, etc etc etc. Now, I tend to focus mostly on new releases, rarely getting around to seeing older films.

However, I did manage to see the 80's horror movie The Unholy about 40 times.

 

[Reel-Man]

The drama they showed felt way more flat than Verhoeven's original. Like they've traded in the social satire for dull(er) political commentary. The special effects look neat, though. So, I don't know...? I'd hoped for a better first impression.

You're basing this on a quick trailer that shows a couple of seconds of him waking up as a robot. Let's wait until we see the whole scene in its proper context and entirety.

 

[dark_b]

I grew up really poor...so I never went to the movies, and only saw them when I was at a friends house who had cable. I missed A LOT of movies that people are shocked about. I was an adult before I ever saw a Disney movie, so I've never seen Bambi, Dumbo etc. I've never seen Wizard of Oz, Godfather, etc etc etc. Now, I tend to focus mostly on new releases, rarely getting around to seeing older films.

However, I did manage to see the 80's horror movie The Unholy about 40 times.

watch the original robocop on youtube. 4 months ago i noticed that it was uploaded in good quality.

 

[Super Kal]

honestly, the problem doesnt only lie in the movie, it lies in our technological advances and how we view technology today...

in 1987, intermixing humanity with robotics only existed in science fiction, and was almost completely unheard of for real life.

today, it is so intermixed, sometimes it's hard to know where humanity ends and where it begins... robotics, technology, you name it... and there-in lies the problem: we took out the fear of robotics. today, we have technology that's user-friendly, and people are so gosh-darn used to it, it doesn't have an imposing presence anymore. the only way this has a chance of really working is if they make a storyline similar to the Borg of Star Trek. if they show the under-carriage of the robotic part, i want it to be a mangled mess- but sadly, since this is a PG-13 movie, i highly doubt this is going to happen. they decided to make a kid friendly movie, and in all honesty, i find it hard to see any of the heart that was in the original 87 movie in this movie.

I also agree with a lot of the people here when they say all the black looks fake, and it does. it looks like a military grade tactical trooper. he doesn't stand out any more than a riot officer does. if you have a robotic soldier, i would rather make him imposing, threatening, and i dont see that in that black suit... i definitely see it in the original, and even in the prototype (?) white/black suit...

just my thoughts

 

[dark_b]

if this reboot was like D9 we would have a new groundbreaking scifi movie.

a story about robocop can not be clean. it has to be dirty. it has to look like District 9 and like Elysium.

 

[Super Kal]

if this reboot was like D9 we would have a new groundbreaking scifi movie.

a story about robocop can not be clean. it has to be dirty. it has to look like District 9 and like Elysium.

exactly

 

[Reel-Man]

Then people would complain about how everything looks like D9 and too similar.

 

[Gianakin_]

Lol, Elysium looked dirty. Lol.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's no secret that I am the biggest fan of 1987's classic masterpiece Robocop (it's in my top 3 favorite films of all time) and I never wanted this remake to happen, I hated that it happened as a matter of fact. That is out there on the table so take my reaction as you will.

I saw this trailer before Riddick and words can not express how disgusted this trailer made me. It looks like it totally misses the point of the original film and overall it looks like sleak generic crap like the dreadful Total Recall remake.

Seriously, screw this movie, screw it to hell. And no I will not be back on here obsessively everyday until February 7th to rain on the parades of the people looking forward to the movie. And yes I know this doesn't affect the original in anyway just like Robocop 2 and 3 didn't affect the original. The original still exists and I will continue to watch and adore it.

 

[dark_b]

you know that i meant whole movie and not the space station Elysium. it was the title of the movie. you knew this.

 

[Heretic]

But wouldn't that be what the government would actually want from a new militarized soldier type? They'd want black, since we associate that with authority and things we should fear. They'd want something very tactical looking, something streamlined and official looking.

 

[dark_b]

Seriously, screw this movie, screw it to hell. And no I will not be back on here obsessively everyday until February 7th to rain on the parades of the people looking forward to the movie. And yes I know this doesn't affect the original in anyway just like Robocop 2 and 3 didn't affect the original. The original still exists and I will continue to watch and adore it.

Superherohype would be a boring forum if we only visited threads for movies that we have positive opinions.

i mean look at Keaton. the guy is a fantastic crazy actor. you cast him in a robocop movie .and in the trailer you dont show a second of him going nuts? whats the point?

 

[TWayneP]

if this reboot was like D9 we would have a new groundbreaking scifi movie.

a story about robocop can not be clean. it has to be dirty. it has to look like District 9 and like Elysium.

I think it will end up looking more like D9 then we think. sure it won't be R, That's the biggest difference. But it's got some style to it. We have to see a lot more before we can dismiss the style of it all. It's a little run of the mill, but I think underneath it all will be quality. I like the feel of it personally. Hopefully it will have a true amateurish gritty feel even with the pg-13.

 

[dark_b]

But wouldn't that be what the government would actually want from a new militarized soldier type? They'd want black, since we associate that with authority and things we should fear. They'd want something very tactical looking, something streamlined and official looking.

they give him a human hand with a human face so that when he talks and toouches people they are not scared. but at the same time they give him a black suit so that he scares criminals and scares people who think about crime? hmmmm t:

 

[TWayneP]

It's no secret that I am the biggest fan of 1987's classic masterpiece Robocop (it's in my top 3 favorite films of all time) and I never wanted this remake to happen, I hated that it happened as a matter of fact. That is out there on the table so take my reaction as you will.

I saw this trailer before Riddick and words can not express how disgusted this trailer made me. It looks like it totally misses the point of the original film and overall it looks like sleak generic crap like the dreadful Total Recall remake.

Seriously, screw this movie, screw it to hell. And no I will not be back on here obsessively everyday until February 7th to rain on the parades of the people looking forward to the movie. And yes I know this doesn't affect the original in anyway just like Robocop 2 and 3 didn't affect the original. The original still exists and I will continue to watch and adore it.

I'm in the same boat as you but I look at things differently. I love robocop more than any other movie (without batman in it). Batman 89 and Robocop are my favorite movies. Batman nudges past Robo for more nostalgic reasons, but robocop I believe is a perfect movie. There are endless layers to it and I love it to death.

Your right we will always have the original. But that's the only thing that I've ever loved about robocop. That is robocop and it ends there. Nothing beyond the 1987 movie is worth even watching or knowing about because its not robocop. this re-imagining is the FIRST thing since 1987 that has at least SOME potential to be good that has the name robocop attached to it. The film may be a disgrace to you and many others, but I can embrace it. It will bring RoboCop 87 back into the light a bit more. Perhaps more people will watch the original and realize what robocop really is and not the commercial item the name has become.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Superherohype would be a boring forum if we only visited threads for movies that we have positive opinions.

i mean look at Keaton. the guy is a fantastic crazy actor. you cast him in a robocop movie .and in the trailer you dont show a second of him going nuts? whats the point?

I'm trying to be less of an obnoxious A-hole. Surely I will comment (lets face it, I'm going to be bashing it) from time to time but I'm not going to get crazy about it.

It's a PG-13 rated Robocop remake with the title character sporting a black suit so it's going to be really, really ****ing hard for me to limit my disgusted opinions of it all.

EDIT: TWyaneP, I wish I saw that good movie you see. Maybe I'll be wrong and this will be another Rise of the Planet of Apes situation but I don't think that it will be, I see another Total Recall. I thought Total Recall sucked.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The trailer looks...fine...to me...though I'm not a Robocop fan. I really wish that studios could figure out a way to tap into the original audience PLUS a new audience without rebooting properties.

Robocop is a remake, not a reboot.

Remakes are derived from an earlier movie.

Reboots are another attempt at adapting source material that exist outside of movies.

I make this distinction because reboots have a far better tracking record for success.

 

[Ipodman]

Looks like GI JOE to me...

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think there are three types of people responding to the trailer.

Those who welcome a unique spin on the original.

Those who wanted a shot for shot remake of the original.

Those who think the original is untouchable and any remake is an insult.

After the first set pics I was in the third camp. After comic-con and the trailer I find myself more and more embedded in the first.

 

[Heretic]

Robocop is a remake, not a reboot.

Remakes are derived from an earlier movie.

Reboots are another attempt at adapting source material that exist outside of movies.

I make this distinction because reboots have a far better tracking record for success.

Reboot just means to start over...and the assumption is that this is planned to be a new franchise. To me (and I assume most people) if it is an attempt to start a franchise over, it is a reboot...if it is a new version of a solo film, then it is a remake.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Looks like GI JOE to me...

Visually? Maybe.

Thematically? Not really.

 

[Casius--J]

Well I for one was quite impressed with the trailer. I was one of those that thought this remake should never have happened and the original is a classic that shouldn't be touched. But this does look different enough for me to give it a shot.

I understand some of your complaints though, to a point I agree but I'm still going to watch this with an open mind.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Reboot just means to start over...and the assumption is that this is planned to be a new franchise. To me (and I assume most people) if it is an attempt to start a franchise over, it is a reboot...if it is a new version of a solo film, then it is a remake.

If Hollywood could make a franchise out of every remake they would.

But remakes 9 times out of 10 get a luke warm reception.

Plus your definition basically concludes that any failed reboot qualifies as a remake.