RoboCop Reboot - Part 6

[Poni_Boy]

I didn't get the sense he was evil at all until his last scene. That's why it felt out of place. Made no sense compared to the rest of his character progression. And it made no sense in the overall way his character operated. Was just a mad rush to tie up the story.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

International numbers have been okay so far. They are going to need to be a lot better now.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think Keaton's character was evil I don't think he saw Alex as a person any longer. He was a product to him he could change and parade out in front of cameras whenever he choose. His interactions with Alex was so minimal, which was probably done on purpose to show the disconnect between the CEO and the people they employ as well as consumers.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I didn't get the sense he was evil at all until his last scene. That's why it felt out of place. Made no sense compared to the rest of his character progression. And it made no sense in the overall way his character operated. Was just a mad rush to tie up the story.

He wasnt as obviously evil for the most of the movie at the end. But you could tell there was a layer of evil under his business man persona.

He was the one who wanted Robocop's humanity turned down, he told Oldman's character to deal with it in any way necessary, then he wanted Robocop destroyed/killed so he could go out a hero and Omnicorp wouldnt look like the bad guy. He was the one happy to lie to Alex's wifes face about him dying when he was actually alive downstairs. That was all evil enough for the turn at the end to not come as any sort of shock, to me anyway.

I knew all the way through he was going to turn evil at some point. And I didnt know any spoilers for the movie, it was pretty obvious to me.

International numbers have been okay so far. They are going to need to be a lot better now.

Lets hope so, this movie really does deserve to be doing better in the US than it has so far.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't think Keaton's character was evil I don't think he saw Alex as a person any longer. He was a product to him he could change and parade out in front of cameras whenever he choose. His interactions with Alex was so minimal, which was probably done on purpose to show the disconnect between the CEO and the people they employ as well as consumers.

Bingo. Hence, not evil. Until the end, because time crunch.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lets hope so, this movie really does deserve to be doing better in the US than it has so far.

I understand this sentiment if it was well received by the majority, but it seems pretty split so far.

 

[Poni_Boy]

He wasnt as obviously evil for the most of the movie at the end. But you could tell there was a layer of evil under his business man persona.

He was the one who wanted Robocop's humanity turned down, he told Oldman's character to deal with it in any way necessary, then he wanted Robocop destroyed/killed so he could go out a hero and Omnicorp wouldnt look like the bad guy. He was the one happy to lie to Alex's wifes face about him dying when he was actually alive downstairs. That was all evil enough for the turn at the end to not come as any sort of shock, to me anyway.

I knew all the way through he was going to turn evil at some point. And I didnt know any spoilers for the movie, it was pretty obvious to me.

That's the problem with preconceived notions. You interpret stuff your way to fit them. You're forgetting the fact that Robo wasn't "Alex" to him. He was product. A thing. Not human. His property. He did crappy things but none of them with malicious intent. It was all for the benefit of the company. He really wasn't an evil character, until the end.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's the problem with preconceived notions. You interpret stuff your way to fit them. You're forgetting the fact that Robo wasn't "Alex" to him. He was product. A thing. Not human. His property. He did crappy things but none of them with malicious intent. It was all for the benefit of the company. He really wasn't an evil character, until the end.

As we know, big business is evil.

 

[MrMaooz]

Samuel Jackson was so funny.

Oh, and I never really noticed until this movie that Abbie Cornish is a babe.

 

[Warhammer]

Yeah, that was a little jarring as well. Keaton's character was insensitive, sure, but he wasn't evil until his final scene. It's just like the Old Man in the original film. He was just insensitive. Then in the sequel, he's suddenly as evil as Dick Jones.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand this sentiment if it was well received by the majority, but it seems pretty split so far.

The fans dont seem split, most seem to like it, and dont forget MOS got mixed response as well. I film I personally loved.

That's the problem with preconceived notions. You interpret stuff your way to fit them. You're forgetting the fact that Robo wasn't "Alex" to him. He was product. A thing. Not human. His property. He did crappy things but none of them with malicious intent. It was all for the benefit of the company. He really wasn't an evil character, until the end.

I didnt have any preconcieved notions though, I didnt know anything about the movie before going in other than it was a re-make. If anything Keaton was going to be like the old man in the 1st movie who wasnt evil either.

Its right that he thought of Alex as a product, I agree with that, but he also seemed to think that of Alex's family as well. They were nothing to him throughout, hence him being able to lie blantantly to his wife's fate about him dying. Him pointing a gun at Alex's family at the end wasnt totally evil, it was more him thinking nothing could touch him and they were products to his company, so again, it came as no surprise to me.

And things he did throughout, no matter what the reason, came across as evil to me personally. He reminded a little of Jordan Belfort in Wolf Of Wall Street, not someone obviously evil, but willing to get ahead at the expense of others suffering. To me personally that is evil.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The fans dont seem split, most seem to like it, and dont forget MOS got mixed response as well. I film I personally loved..

MoS made $668mil worldwide. It has a rather large sample size. The vast majority decided to just ignore this film.

 

[Warhammer]

I agree with this. If for nothing else the movie is worth watching for all the Keaton/Oldman scenes.

Yep, Oldman was great as well. That dude never phones it in.

I found Keaton so damn likable right up [BLACKOUT]until the ending[/BLACKOUT].

Exactly.

All throughout the marketing, the character is known as the "villainous CEO of Omnicorp." I waited for it but in all of his scenes, he oozed charisma. Then he does a heel turn and you're like "Seriously?"

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

MoS made $668mil worldwide. It has a rather large sample size. The vast majority decided to just ignore this film.

Thats was kinda my point, MOS got a mixed response and still managed to make that kind of money.

IMO Robocop definitely deserves to be making more than it has so far, despite the mixed response.

Have you seen this yet Darth? I am curious to see how you find it because on MOS and TDW we completely agreed.

 

[MrMaooz]

Yep, Oldman was great as well. That dude never phones it in.



Exactly.

All throughout the marketing, the character is known as the "villainous CEO of Omnicorp." I waited for it but in all of his scenes, he oozed charisma. Then he does a heel turn and you're like "Seriously?"

Speaking of marketing, Jay Baruchel was funny.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I didnt have any preconcieved notions though, I didnt know anything about the movie before going in other than it was a re-make. If anything Keaton was going to be like the old man in the 1st movie who wasnt evil either.

Its right that he thought of Alex as a product, I agree with that, but he also seemed to think that of Alex's family as well. They were nothing to him throughout, hence him being able to lie blantantly to his wife's fate about him dying. Him pointing a gun at Alex's family at the end wasnt totally evil, it was more him thinking nothing could touch him and they were products to his company, so again, it came as no surprise to me.

And things he did throughout, no matter what the reason, came across as evil to me personally. He reminded a little of Jordan Belfort in Wolf Of Wall Street, not someone obviously evil, but willing to get ahead at the expense of others suffering. To me personally that is evil.

You just said you knew all the way through that he was going to be evil way, way before his "evil turn." That's a preconceived notion. You already "knew" he was evil so you're interpreting stuff he did along the way that, while not being on the up and up, are not evil.

Dick Jones threatening Bob in the bathroom? Evil

Dick Jones hiring Clarence to kill Bob? Evil

Dick Jones giving Clarence the run of the criminal trade in new Detroit? Evil

Dick Jones telling the police Murphy malfunctioned so they would kill him? Evil

All that happened before he turned the gun on the Old Man. It's a trail of bread crumbs. Keaton didn't follow that pattern at all. He was just a conniving, shrewed CEO

 

[Poni_Boy]

Thats was kinda my point, MOS got a mixed response and still managed to make that kind of money.

MOS was front loaded to the max. That's where most of its domestic gross came from. You can't compare the two movies at all.

 

[MrMaooz]

Yeah, Man of Steel was a bigger animal than this.

 

[Warhammer]

Thats was kinda my point, MOS got a mixed response and still managed to make that kind of money.

But it's Superman, an icon throughout the entire world. Man of Steel was also a tentpole. It was released in the summer. It had Christopher Nolan's name attached to it. The film had insane marketing.

This film had none of those.

Speaking of marketing, Jay Baruchel was funny.

Yeah, he was good.

 

[Paradox1]

I wouldn't call it a heel turn he didn't give a **** about anybody to begin with. What was most important to him was the bottom line. Throughout the film that was demonstrated over and over from the very beginning. They had a massacre because of machines and he never showed a ounce of remorse over it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I wouldn't call it a heel turn he didn't give a **** about anybody to begin with. What was most important to him was the bottom line. Throughout the film that was demonstrated over and over from the very beginning. They had a massacre because of machines and he never showed a ounce of remorse over it.

But again, going from being a bottom line minded CEO who lacks empathy doesn't make him an evil man. [BLACKOUT]Loosing his **** at the end and turning a gun on Alex's family did.[/BLACKOUT] So he did have a heel turn. Doesn't mean it was executed well, but it was there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thats was kinda my point, MOS got a mixed response and still managed to make that kind of money.

IMO Robocop definitely deserves to be making more than it has so far, despite the mixed response.

Have you seen this yet Darth? I am curious to see how you find it because on MOS and TDW we completely agreed.

Deserves got nothing to do with it sadly.

And nope haven't seen it yet, and I am still debating on whether I should wait for the blu ray.

 

[Warhammer]

Deserves got nothing to do with it sadly.

And nope haven't seen it yet, and I am still debating on whether I should wait for the blu ray.

You've got three options.

1. Wait for the Blu-Ray
2. Sneak in to see it after you watch something else
3. Catch it at the discount theater in April

 

[DA_Champion]

Deserves got nothing to do with it sadly.

And nope haven't seen it yet, and I am still debating on whether I should wait for the blu ray.

It's worth seeing.

You're going to get your $12 worth just from being able to take part in the conversation discussing the movie.

 

[Paradox1]

But again, going from being a bottom line minded CEO who lacks empathy doesn't make him an evil man. [BLACKOUT]Loosing his **** at the end and turning a gun on Alex's family did.[/BLACKOUT] So he did have a heel turn. Doesn't mean it was executed well, but it was there.

I reserve the word evil for the worst kinda scum. So no I don't consider him evil [BLACKOUT]nor did I think at the end Alex's family was in any real danger from him. [/BLACKOUT] In that scene I thought he was just being an overtly arogant prick. Keaton's character would never get his own hands dirty he would of hired someone. His arrogance led him to believe his product could not be overcome by a man's pure will alone. When he realized the situation he shot first.