Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[Naji Assan]

So are you saying if X3 turned out great, this series wouldn't decline in the U.S. with Origins, First Class and The Wolverine being released? If First Class brought new life to a declining franchise, then why The Wolverine still earned less than FC in the U.S.? Okay we know the answer, it didn't feature the almighty FC cast. Geez. The thing about spin-offs is they aren't expanding the appeal to the franchise to mainstream viewers, it mostly caters to the fans. And there's few spin-off films that managed to outgross the original series. Do you even see how different the hype for the X-Men spin-offs compare to X3/DOFP?

I think you might be looking at it the wrong way. The Marvel/Disney format seems to be what the people at Fox are starting to adopt. Spin-offs are no longer spin-offs but rather lead-ins to something bigger:

Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger were lead-ins to The Avengers or "Phase I"

X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine lead up to Days of Future Past or "Fox's Phase I"

The Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III will lead up to the next X-Men movie in 2017 (Fox Phase II)

The format basically uses hundred million dollar movies to set up two hundred million dollar movies with the potential to make a billion. It turns X-Men movies into Avengers movies. When you see the X-Men together its a big deal now. Whereas before one X-Men movie was just expected to break even, now with all the build up the studio will want Avengers numbers from them.

 

[Angamb]

great point.

Solo movies/spin offs by Fox from this point could be treated as build ups.

As long as they promote that with connections, nods, and one cameo by an important character from time to time, the audience will start feeling something special with the whole franchise, wanting to see all movies, understand/known the different characters and more.

It has to be all inside the long plan.

 

[Naji Assan]

great point.

Solo movies/spin offs by Fox from this point could be treated as build ups.

As long as they promote that with connections, nods, and one cameo by an important character from time to time, the audience will start feeling something special with the whole franchise, wanting to see all movies, understand/known the different characters and more.

It has to be all inside the long plan.

Its a format that's doing wonders for Marvel/Disney.

And I think the underlying thread that will link this shared universe for Fox is Apocalypse. I think we'll get a cameo in Days of Future Past and mentions here and there after until X-Force where we'll learn who he is. I really think that's the main reason we're getting an X-Force movie. Apocalypse might be this franchise's Thanos and X-Force looks to be this franchise's Guardians of The Galaxy.

 

[Mr.M]

The Fantastic Four thing is still in limbo. I think Fox would like to do it, but whether they are able to consolidate both properties remains to be seen. Plausible, but lots of work needs to be done first. But I think you can view the OT as phase I of sorts, and DoFP as a sort of phase 1.5. DoFP is basically your Avengers. For another Avengers type movie, I'd still try to make a play at the OT cast, having X-Force and W3 sandwiched in there.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think you might be looking at it the wrong way. The Marvel/Disney format seems to be what the people at Fox are starting to adopt. Spin-offs are no longer spin-offs but rather lead-ins to something bigger:

Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger were lead-ins to The Avengers or "Phase I"

X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine lead up to Days of Future Past or "Fox's Phase I"

The Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III will lead up to the next X-Men movie in 2017 (Fox Phase II)

The format basically uses hundred million dollar movies to set up two hundred million dollar movies with the potential to make a billion. It turns X-Men movies into Avengers movies. When you see the X-Men together its a big deal now. Whereas before one X-Men movie was just expected to break even, now with all the build up the studio will want Avengers numbers from them.

That's a very interesting, and very feasible, way to look at things.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think you might be looking at it the wrong way. The Marvel/Disney format seems to be what the people at Fox are starting to adopt. Spin-offs are no longer spin-offs but rather lead-ins to something bigger:

Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger were lead-ins to The Avengers or "Phase I"

X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine lead up to Days of Future Past or "Fox's Phase I"

The Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III will lead up to the next X-Men movie in 2017 (Fox Phase II)

The format basically uses hundred million dollar movies to set up two hundred million dollar movies with the potential to make a billion. It turns X-Men movies into Avengers movies. When you see the X-Men together its a big deal now. Whereas before one X-Men movie was just expected to break even, now with all the build up the studio will want Avengers numbers from them.

Sorry but compare to Fox, Fox doesn't have a lot of characters that could guarantee a successful movie. Wolverine is the only character I can think of having a successful movie. First Class did okay, yet the X-Men brand helped it to earn 350 million. If they release more X-Men spin-offs that isn't even performing that strong compare to the previous movies or the original trilogy, people would just lose interest to this franchise.

If movies like X-Force and Deadpool could bank at least $500 million dollars per film, then its not a bad idea to release spin-offs. But X-Men is not even one of the biggest franchises to date and when FOX started to release spin-offs, this franchise declined at the box-office.

 

[Naji Assan]

Sorry but compare to Fox, Fox doesn't have a lot of characters that could guarantee a successful movie. Wolverine is the only character I can think of having a successful movie. First Class did okay, yet the X-Men brand helped it to earn 350 million. If they release more X-Men spin-offs that isn't even performing that strong compare to the previous movies or the original trilogy, people would just lose interest to this franchise.

If movies like X-Force and Deadpool could bank at least $500 million dollars per film, then its not a bad idea to release spin-offs. But X-Men is not even one of the biggest franchises to date and when FOX started to release spin-offs, this franchise declined at the box-office.

You're still looking at it from the spinoff perspective and not the lead-in model Marvel/Disney have proven successful.

Lead-in movies are less expensive and don't need to gross Avengers numbers.

The Fantastic Four, Wolverine III and X-Force won't cost two hundred million and won't be expected to gross a billion. The 2017 follow up to Days of Future Past, like Days of Future Past will be expected to bring in the big numbers. Through careful build up it will.

Marvel/Disney don't expect Thor The Dark World, Captain America The Winter Soldier and Guardians of The Galaxy to each make a billion. They expect Avengers Age of Ultron to make a billion.

Days of Future Past is the first "Fox Avengers". It should gross more than any X film prior to it.

 

[psylockolussus]

The lead-in model wouldn't help that much. Infact, DOFP didn't help The Wolverine that much to earn more than First Class in the U.S. And I don't think build-up movies (such as X-Force, Deadpool, FC) to AOA would help those spin-offs to gross like a X-Men movie featuring the OT cast.

Instead of releasing a bunch of spin-offs again in the next 7 years, why not just make another 3 consecutive films (including DOFP) featuring the OT cast again. With those three films, FOx would at least get 1.5 billion (500m per each film) than just less than a billion with movies like X-Force, First Class 3, Deadpool etc.

And I don't really see the need for Fox to "copy" MCU's model. Even if MCU's other films don't earn 500 million worldwide, it won't hurt Iron Man, the Avengers.... but X-Force underperforming, Deadpool underperforming, that would hurt future X-Men films. I'm pretty sure if First Class 1 earned more money, we would be seeing the younger version of Cyclops, Jean and Storm right now.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Has any X-Men film to date even reached $500 million?

So how can you just assume that 3 more consecutive films will all bank that much, when 6 movies so far haven't done that?

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm pretty sure if we can inflate the worldwide box-office numbers of X2/TLS, it probably already crossed the $500 million mark and several years ago, ticket prices were much lower. Also in attendance, X1/X2/X3 are still the top three X-Men films.

And with The Wolverine earning more 400 million, I'm pretty sure DOFP will earn at least 500 million. And if DOFp performs massive next year, a straight-up sequel to DOFp is guaranteed to earn at least 500 million.

 

[Naji Assan]

Instead of releasing a bunch of spin-offs again in the next 7 years, why not just make another 3 consecutive films (including DOFP) featuring the OT cast again. With those three films, FOx would at least get 1.5 billion (500m per each film) than just less than a billion with movies like X-Force, First Class 3, Deadpool etc.

Why continue to gross half a billion on X-Men movies when you can gross a billion?

Marvel/Disney have a proven strategy. Its the reason Fox changed their tactics and began adopting said strategy. They're not "wasting" money on the lead-in films. They're creating hype for the big team films.

There's a reason you won't be seeing Avengers 3 right after Age of Ultron. You need those movies in between to build anticipation.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The lead-in model wouldn't help that much. Infact, DOFP didn't help The Wolverine that much to earn more than First Class in the U.S. And I don't think build-up movies (such as X-Force, Deadpool, FC) to AOA would help those spin-offs to gross like a X-Men movie featuring the OT cast.

Instead of releasing a bunch of spin-offs again in the next 7 years, why not just make another 3 consecutive films (including DOFP) featuring the OT cast again. With those three films, FOx would at least get 1.5 billion (500m per each film) than just less than a billion with movies like X-Force, First Class 3, Deadpool etc.

And I don't really see the need for Fox to "copy" MCU's model. Even if MCU's other films don't earn 500 million worldwide, it won't hurt Iron Man, the Avengers.... but X-Force underperforming, Deadpool underperforming, that would hurt future X-Men films. I'm pretty sure if First Class 1 earned more money, we would be seeing the younger version of Cyclops, Jean and Storm right now.

You are in your own little world ain't ya :/

 

[psylockolussus]

You are entitled to your own opinion, obviously you think every spin-off will perform great at the box-office and I just don't agree with that.

And again, you don't need to make comments like that to me.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why continue to gross half a billion on X-Men movies when you can gross a billion?

Marvel/Disney have a proven strategy. Its the reason Fox changed their tactics and began adopting said strategy. They're not "wasting" money on the lead-in films. They're creating hype for the big team films.

There's a reason you won't be seeing Avengers 3 right after Age of Ultron. You need those movies in between to build anticipation.

Yes, Fox changed their tactics in 2011 or 2012, when Avengers went big and they wanted to get more money from their X-Men movies. Obviously if they aren't gonna get bigger success with straight-up sequels to First Class, so they decided to bring back the OT cast and suddenly the hype for an upcoming X-Men movie became strong.

And just because Marvel Studios might be doing well with their model, there's no proof that X-Men will do well with that model, especially the last time Fox decided to give the OT cast a break, X-Men declined in the U.S. and other superhero films managed to outgross a X-Men film. It happened in 2011 and its happening this year with TDW, IR3 and MOS outgrossing TW. It might change next year, with the return of the OT cast.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why continue to gross half a billion on X-Men movies when you can gross a billion?

And as if spin-offs like First Class 3, X-Force can gross a billion? And read my post again, I said at least 1.5 billion with 3 OT films.

Obviously you think a cross-over film featuring the OT cast/X-Force/First Class and other spin-offs will help this franchise to join the billion dollar box-office club.

The way I see it, people's interest to the franchise will go down again when Fox starts releasing another Wolverine movie, First Class movie and new spin-offs. Then the hype for a X-Men movie will rise up again when the OT cast comes back for another movie, but you see its like a roller-coaster and that would hinder this franchise's potential for grossing over 1 billion per film.

Instead of following MCU's model, Fox could at least look at the success of the Fast/Furious franchise and learn something from it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Let's be honest this film will be mostly focused on FC cast, something like an hour and a half to OT cast 30 to 40 min

Psylockollosus would really like to believe Fox desperately brought back the OT to save the series, if that was the case they could have done it without the FC cast and just have FC be a one off just like they did with origin and make this an X4, and you can go how they would have made FC a direct sequel if it made more then 500 mil, who says? Singer already mentioned the idea in 2011 of doing a sequel in the 70s during Vietnam, I know shocking right? And as for the returning cast it's obviously down singers story seeing as they have the most screen time

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah the film will be most focused on FC cast, but wait, who's the #1 lead of this movie. Hugh Jackman/ Wolverine of the OT cast.

Psylockollosus would really like to believe Fox desperately brought back the OT to save the series, if that was the case they could have done it without the FC cast and just have FC be a one off just like they did with origin and make this an X4, and you can go how they would have made FC a direct sequel if it made more then 500 mil, who says? Singer already mentioned the idea in 2011 of doing a sequel in the 70s during Vietnam, I know shocking right? And as for the returning cast it's obviously down singers story seeing as they have the most screen time

I didn't say that but sure. Do you think this franchise would be in a bigger shape right now if we aren't getting the OT cast next year?

And obviously, the FC cast was kept because that cast was expected to return for a 2nd movie and they already signed the contract and Lauren Shuler Donner always wanted to do DOFP. So instead of introducing another set of cast members, they brought back the FC cast to work with the OT cast. But of course, there were a couple of people from FC that weren't asked to return.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah the film will be most focused on FC cast, but wait, who's the #1 lead of this movie. Hugh Jackman/ Wolverine of the OT cast.



I didn't say that but sure. Do you think this franchise would be in a bigger shape right now if we aren't getting the OT cast next year?

And obviously, the FC cast was kept because that cast was expected to return for a 2nd movie and they already signed the contract and Lauren Shuler Donner always wanted to do DOFP. So instead of introducing another set of cast members, they brought back the FC cast to work with the OT cast. But of course, there were a couple of people from FC that weren't asked to return.

No there was a plan a long time ago to do a timeline story in the style of godfather 2 before they decided to go for DOFP, and yeah some of the FC characters were not asked to return but FC still have more screen time here, it's not split like it could have been and like some thought it might be, so there was no reason not to bring them back them characters unless they were not part of the story or got in the way of the story which was probably the case

Like I said after FC left the cinema fox could have decided to make X4 and not say they were making a FC sequel with Vaughn returning

And it matters very little that wolverine whose had his own solo movies with new characters appears with the FC Cast again

You just need to let it go

 

[psylockolussus]

We haven't seen the film yet but I'm sure once we add up the screentime of Hugh Jackman and the OT cast, their percentage will be higher than the screentime of FC cast and the new characters.

And I'm sure they if really wanted to bring Banshee, Emma Frost and those other mutants that Magneto recruited at the end of First Class back, they would have done something for that. Well they managed to reunite all the OT characters (despite X-Men being disbanded right after X3???) and they even introduced a bunch of new characters in their timeline and the OT cast is already big.

No there was a plan a long time ago to do a timeline story in the style of godfather 2 before they decided to go for DOFP

And I'm not letting go of anything, you are the one who started quoting my posts, if you don't want a discussion with me then you can just ignore me.

 

[GuestStar2004]

We haven't seen the film yet but I'm sure once we add the screentime of Hugh Jackman and the OT cast, their percentage is bigger than the screentime of FC cast and the new characters.

ok I'm done

 

[EnDz0n3]

Why are you guys even replying to psylockcolossus' posts regarding this subject anyways? You know you're not gonna change his mind?

 

[magneto23]

Yeah the film will be most focused on FC cast, but wait, who's the #1 lead of this movie. Hugh Jackman/ Wolverine of the OT cast.

Jackman/ Wolverine is his own entity. He is beyond being labeled as "of the OT cast". All the screen time he stole from that cast plus two solo movies. Come on now.

 

[psylockolussus]

Steal? Whatever you think of Jackman / Wolverine, he started with the original cast and appeared with them for 3 films. He's part of the OT cast.

 

[Naji Assan]

Steal? Whatever you think of Jackman / Wolverine, he started with the original cast and appeared with them for 3 films. He's part of the OT cast.

From what I gather: you don't think Fox should be following the Marvel/Disney architecture with their properties. You think the only profitable property out of Fox's many Marvel properties is the "OT X-Men" and you're convinced the "OT X-Men" will be explored in further films.

I think you're going to be disappointed after Days of Future Past. For starters I see you listed "First Class 3" in your list of spinoff movies. The next X-Men movie in 2017 will be a McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence/Hoult vehicle. Not an OT vehicle. The young cast is the new roster, the old cast is done.

Jackman is going to be the Leonard Nimoy of this series in that he'll be the only one to exist in the new timeline with memories of the old one.

Also, First Class wasn't a spinoff. It was the beginning of the reboot process for the franchise.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You seem so sure about your statements.