Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[Naji Assan]

You seem so sure about your statements.

Is this in reference to the comment about the "OT cast" being done after Days of Future Past? I really doubt the studio would go through all this trouble to somewhat reboot the franchise but still continue making movies based on the old timeline. It would be like Paramount making Abrams Star Trek movies but also Next Generation movies.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No, I think it's in reference to you saying the next X-Men film will be in 2017, and it will be a First Class 3, speaking as if these things have been announced or confirmed.

And considering that X-Men: First Class was NOT a reboot, and that is proven by many things within the film that blatantly tie it to the trilogy, as well as it's sequel blatantly being set in the same world with the return of the OT cast, I don't think you can use that Abrams comparison.

But to use your logic against you, why would Fox spend the last 3 movies tying the franchise together as one whole, with X-Men Origins: Wolverine obviously stemming from the seeds planted in X-Men and X2, X-Men: First Class blatantly tying itself to X-Men and X-Men: The Last Stand, and The Wolverine blatantly connecting itself with references to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, when they were just going to be tossing that all away?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Is this in reference to the comment about the "OT cast" being done after Days of Future Past? I really doubt the studio would go through all this trouble to somewhat reboot the franchise but still continue making movies based on the old timeline. It would be like Paramount making Abrams Star Trek movies but also Next Generation movies.

If the rumored ending Is true then with exception of Hugh Jackman the OT
cast Is most likely done especilly If

Spoiler

you have ending where Magneto may never be enemy of the X-Men he was In X-Men and Last Stand and wolverine remembers nothing about Old timeline

Just like Paramount Isn't doing anything In "Prime" Timeline anymore.

Another solo Wolverine film,they are being coy about it as not to ruin ending of
DOFP,and X-Force will be In new timeline as will FC3 the true followup to DOFP,as will deadpool If it ever becomes reality.Full X-Men films will likely carry on from FC3 In future.

I don't like Idea of erasing X-Men,X2,and the wolverine from cannon bit i prefer to live In reality of situation.Maybe Bryan SInger,Lauren Shueller Donnor,and others on X-Men team can do better job than Abrams and his writers did with Star Trek with making those films still seem since they lead
to DOFP feel relvent but if they start having characters who were teengaers In trilogy start showing up In FC3 and future follows In 1970's and 1980's set films they have created same problems as Trek created.

 

[Naji Assan]

No, I think it's in reference to you saying the next X-Men film will be in 2017, and it will be a First Class 3, speaking as if these things have been announced or confirmed.

And considering that X-Men: First Class was NOT a reboot, and that is proven by many things within the film that blatantly tie it to the trilogy, as well as it's sequel blatantly being set in the same world with the return of the OT cast, I don't think you can use that Abrams comparison.

But to use your logic against you, why would Fox spend the last 3 movies tying the franchise together as one whole, with X-Men Origins: Wolverine obviously stemming from the seeds planted in X-Men and X2, X-Men: First Class blatantly tying itself to X-Men and X-Men: The Last Stand, and The Wolverine blatantly connecting itself with references to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, when they were just going to be tossing that all away?

Singer himself called First Class a reboot and what the studio spent the past three years doing is building on that reboot. Days of Future Past as a story allowed for the coming together of both casts but by no means is intended as a launching pad for a new series starring the "OT cast". Why? I'll bring up Star Trek again. Why figure out a way out of the corner they put themselves in after X3 to return right back to that corner?

With the next X-Men after Days of Future Past you can do the roster everyone and their mother always wanted: bald McAvoy Xavier, Wolverine, Hoult Beast, young Cyclops leading the crew, young Storm, young Jean and maybe even Gambit.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't care what Singer called it, it obviously WASN'T a reboot. You don't reboot by establishing yourself in the exact same continuity and universe as the previous films, and that's exactly what First Class did. The very opening shot of the movie did that.

The Wolverine didn't "build" on any reboot. It blatantly and explicitly tied itself to past movies, in particular, the 2 past movies that everyone hates.

I don't know which cast will be featured going forward, and honestly, I'd agree with you that they will proceed forward with the First Class cast. But that doesn't make it a "reboot".

If they wanted to reboot, they just would. They wouldn't go through some convoluted 4 movie arc that establishes itself within the same continuity to "justfiy" the reboot.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Singer himself called First Class a reboot and what the studio spent the past three years doing is building on that reboot. Days of Future Past as a story allowed for the coming together of both casts but by no means is intended as a launching pad for a new series starring the "OT cast". Why? I'll bring up Star Trek again. Why figure out a way out of the corner they put themselves in after X3 to return right back to that corner?

With the next X-Men after Days of Future Past you can do the roster everyone and their mother always wanted: bald McAvoy Xavier, Wolverine, Hoult Beast, young Cyclops leading the crew, young Storm, young Jean and maybe even Gambit.

Singer also called it a prequel that took some liberties.

Your forgetting if rumored ending is true

Spoiler

Magneto Is likely going to be with X-Men from now on

who knows If WOlverine would be In
FC3 but if Teenage Cyclops,Jean,and storm are In FC3 you can pretty much
consider trilogy+The Wolverine erased from cannon with possable exception of WWII flashbacks In The wolverine.If Bryan Singer directs FC3 then gambit could show up since he mentioned wanting to use Gambit in future.

 

[Naji Assan]

I don't care what Singer called it, it obviously WASN'T a reboot. You don't reboot by establishing yourself in the exact same continuity and universe as the previous films, and that's exactly what First Class did. The very opening shot of the movie did that.

The Wolverine didn't "build" on any reboot. It blatantly and explicitly tied itself to past movies, in particular, the 2 past movies that everyone hates.

I don't know which cast will be featured going forward, and honestly, I'd agree with you that they will proceed forward with the First Class cast. But that doesn't make it a "reboot".

If they wanted to reboot, they just would. They wouldn't go through some convoluted 4 movie arc that establishes itself within the same continuity to "justfiy" the reboot.

You're looking at this all wrong. Its not a "they're all tied together" argument vs. "its all being wiped clean" argument.

Its the Abrams Star Trek approach. Everything prior to 1973 is a prequel to X-Men, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Wolverine and the 2023 bits of Days of Future Past.

Everything after 1973 because of Days of Future Past is not.

Two timelines with Wolverine being the only person in the new one to remember the old one.

 

[Legion]

Singer himself called First Class a reboot and what the studio spent the past three years doing is building on that reboot. Days of Future Past as a story allowed for the coming together of both casts but by no means is intended as a launching pad for a new series starring the "OT cast". Why? I'll bring up Star Trek again. Why figure out a way out of the corner they put themselves in after X3 to return right back to that corner?

With the next X-Men after Days of Future Past you can do the roster everyone and their mother always wanted: bald McAvoy Xavier, Wolverine, Hoult Beast, young Cyclops leading the crew, young Storm, young Jean and maybe even Gambit.

Where does Singer call First Class a reboot? First Class plays so closely to the original films how can it be considered a reboot? The opening scene is literally the same opening from X1 reshot.

If you're going to reboot something you need to make it different. Minor continuity changes like the ages of Charles and Erik when they first met or when Charles got paralyzed are not grounds for a reboot.

If Singer was going to reboot the series like Star Trek, First Class wouldn't even be needed. They could have just went straight to DoFP and that would have been the first time we met the younger Charles and Erik.

It's obvious that after the Last Stand they didn't have a solid idea of what direction they should take the franchise. They tried doing prequels which had mixed results. After seeing the success of other films they must have gotten the idea of doing a cross over and saw an opportunity to follow through with this plan using a story from the comics and the existing film lore.

 

[Naji Assan]

Where does Singer call First Class a reboot? First Class plays so closely to the original films how can it be considered a reboot? The opening scene is literally the same opening from X1 reshot.

If you're going to reboot something you need to make it different. Minor continuity changes like the ages of Charles and Erik when they first met or when Charles got paralyzed are not grounds for a reboot.

If Singer was going to reboot the series like Star Trek, First Class wouldn't even be needed. They could have just went straight to DoFP and that would have been the first time we met the younger Charles and Erik.

It's obvious that after the Last Stand they didn't have a solid idea of what direction they should take the franchise. They tried doing prequels which had mixed results. After seeing the success of other films they must have gotten the idea of doing a cross over and saw an opportunity to follow through with this plan using a story from the comics and the existing film lore.

Its a different kind of reboot. Its not The Amazing Spider Man or Batman Begins or Man of Steel. Its Star Trek '09 with Jackman in the Nimoy role.

After 1973 everything is new.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Its a different kind of reboot. Its not The Amazing Spider Man or Batman Begins or Man of Steel. Its Star Trek '09 with Jackman in the Nimoy role.

Except

1:Hugh jackman won't be cameo like Leonard nimoy
2:

Spoiler

Wolverine won't remember past films

3:First Class,WWII flashbacks In The wolverine and maybe pre 1970's parts of
Origins are still cannon.I don't see Enterprise aas being In cannon with the
Abrams Trek films.

 

[Naji Assan]

Another solo Wolverine film,they are being coy about it as not to ruin ending of
DOFP,and X-Force will be In new timeline as will FC3 the true followup to DOFP,as will deadpool If it ever becomes reality.Full X-Men films will likely carry on from FC3 In future.

From here on out I see all non-X-Men movies as lead-ins. The Fantastic Four, Wolverine III, X-Force...they'll build to the next team movie with McAvoy and company. I love Stewart and McKellen but I can't see the studio pursuing any angle with them. Days of Future Past as a concept really was the only way to justify their return, this one last time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think its a reboot personally, I think it just opens up the universe more for fox to play with

 

[Angamb]

Some fans take his word "reboot" literally.

Singer or none of the producers said it was meant to be a new universe, new version of the X-Men. Just a "fresh new take" set in the past, but in the SAME universe. So its just a prequel, with a new cast.

Thats why Singer or Matthew used the word reboot.

 

[Naji Assan]

I don't think its a reboot personally, I think it just opens up the universe more for fox to play with

Exactly. Days of Future Past allows for a universe much much larger than what we're used to with the X films. The possibilities are now endless with this "Fox Phase I" culmination of the first 7 films. What's up ahead is great.

Phase II
The Fantastic Four, Wolverine III, X-Force leading into the next X-Men (2017)

Phase III
Fantastic Four II? X-Factor Investigations? New Mutants? The next X-Men (2020) would be huge.

Phase IV
Fantastic Four III? Starjammers? Excalibur? X-Men: Age of Apocalypse (2023)?

Days of Future Past opens the door to all of that.

 

[Snikt]

Where is this "rumored ending" coming from?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Where is this "rumored ending" coming from?

The Original Bamfer. Some info she got from a "reliable source."

From here on out I see all non-X-Men movies as lead-ins. The Fantastic Four, Wolverine III, X-Force...they'll build to the next team movie with McAvoy and company. I love Stewart and McKellen but I can't see the studio pursuing any angle with them. Days of Future Past as a concept really was the only way to justify their return, this one last time.

Oh YOU...and here we thought you were basing your statements on actual info you got from the higher ups from Fox, and not just how you SEE things

 

[Naji Assan]

Oh YOU...and here we thought you were basing your statements on actual info you got from the higher ups from Fox, and not just how you SEE things

Not sure what you're saying here...but do you believe these proposed projects like Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III are being made without a coalescent purpose down the line? Or that Millar was hired to just tweet baseless claims he then has to recant to keep the rabbit in the hat?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Not sure what you're saying here...but do you believe these proposed projects like Fantastic Four, X-Force and Wolverine III are being made without a coalescent purpose down the line? Or that Millar was hired to just tweet baseless claims he then has to recant to keep the rabbit in the hat?

I'm saying you don't know which cast they're moving forward with: FC cast or OT cast. You sounded so sure.

Heck even that one producer didn't know the concrete answer.

 

[Naji Assan]

I'm saying you don't know which cast they're moving forward with: FC cast or OT cast. You sounded so sure.

Heck even that one producer didn't know the concrete answer.

Why would they continue with the older cast? Is Paramount doing Shatner/Nimoy movies instead of Pine/Quinto movies? No way.

When Singer called First Class a reboot that's what he meant. He can now make movies about a younger Xavier, a younger Magneto, a younger Beast, a younger Cyclops (that's not dead), a younger Jean (that's also not dead), a younger storm and still keep Jackman around.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Why would they continue with the older cast? Is Paramount doing Shatner/Nimoy movies instead of Pine/Quinto movies? No way.

This is the part where people will tell you Fox is not Paramount.

When Singer called First Class a reboot that's what he meant.

Haha ok buddy.

He can now make movies about a younger Xavier, a younger Magneto, a younger Beast, a younger Cyclops (that's not dead), a younger Jean (that's also not dead), a younger storm and still keep Jackman around.

Again you're not sure about any of that. Stop acting like you can read what Singer meant. You're not Xavier.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I really don't think the idea is to do a fresh reboot with the FC cast, I think we will see both casts again in another film each

 

[psylockolussus]

Also, First Class wasn't a spinoff. It was the beginning of the reboot process for the franchise.

Ummm no. If it was, we will not be seeing the OT cast right now.

Fox made it clear that First Class was a prequel to the original trilogy.

 

[Naji Assan]

This is the part where people will tell you Fox is not Paramount.



Haha ok buddy.



Again you're not sure about any of that. Stop acting like you can read what Singer meant. You're not Xavier.

So condescension and sarcasm are your tools when debating. Common sense is mine. This is the part where I realize you hope things turn out the way you want them to rather than how they seem to be coming along. You're entitled to believe Star Trek '09 and The Avengers had no influence on Fox shifting their game plan for this franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why would they continue with the older cast? Is Paramount doing Shatner/Nimoy movies instead of Pine/Quinto movies? No way.

When Singer called First Class a reboot that's what he meant. He can now make movies about a younger Xavier, a younger Magneto, a younger Beast, a younger Cyclops (that's not dead), a younger Jean (that's also not dead), a younger storm and still keep Jackman around.

I just can't wait for your reaction when the OT cast comes back for a 5th X-Men film.

I'm pretty sure you didn't expect them to return for the 7th X-Men film because you expected First Class to be the Star Trek 2009 of this franchise.

 

[Naji Assan]

Ummm no. If it was, we will not be seeing the OT cast right now.

Fox made it clear that First Class was a prequel to the original trilogy.

It is, but its a reboot as well. The reboot process begins after 1973, not before it.