Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[psylockolussus]

Again, pure speculation. You're just guessing about their age, but its not official.

Mainstream viewers aren't gonna do the math when they watch these films, well I didn't and 'I'm not even a mainstream viewer of these films. People would just think "oh he's a child, he's a teenager, he's old, he looks like he's in 30" they won't do the math that you are doing, its not even accurate.

 

[chaseter]

I would love a Star Trek-ish reboot and I have been saying since First Class that it would happen and it is happening. X3 was a major turd and it ruined the franchise. Cyclops died, Xavier died but went into his dead brother's exact replica of himself's body, Jean died, and it was all about a cure that lasted days to months. Such nonsense. Retcon that movie all you want. I don't want to see an X4 that plays off of X3. So, start fresh with a fresh batch of talented actors. If push comes to shove and people want another Ian, Patrick, Halle focused X-Men movie, we now have a new timeline created that erases X3 so hurray!

 

[SuperT]

Thats not even an all-time list.

Its like saying Chole Moretz is a bigger star than Halle Berry now?

Well, no disrespect to Berry - she's one of my favorite actresses - but I would definitely say Chloe Moretz is certainly more relevant and has a little more star power in the current movie industry than Halle.

Just because Halle Berry (or anyone else from the original trilogy) are known names doesn't mean they are currently relevant in the movie industry right now.

People like Stewart and McKellan will ALWAYS be relevant just because of the magnitude of their work and legacy. People like Berry, Ashmore, Page, or Paquin? No, and that isn't any disrespect to them at all.

 

[psylockolussus]

How about Lawrence, McAvoy, Fassbender and Hoult?

 

[SuperT]

How about Lawrence, McAvoy, Fassbender and Hoult?

Well, I don't think there's any question about Lawrence or Fassbender. They are both on the road (heck, Lawrence is already there) to very long careers themselves. McAvoy is right behind both of them as well.

Hoult himself still has a little ways to go but he's got some big projects on his plate coming up - Young Ones, an adaption of the novel Dark Places and Mad Max.

He'll be up there with the previous three very shortly, I'll say.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, I don't think there's any question about Lawrence or Fassbender. They are both on the road (heck, Lawrence is already there) to very long careers themselves. McAvoy is right behind both of them as well.

Hoult himself still has a little ways to go but he's got some big projects on his plate coming up - Young Ones, an adaption of the novel Dark Places and Mad Max.

He'll be up there with the previous three very shortly, I'll say.

Sadly, I don't see that happening. In the next 10 years, I doubt they already maintained a big name in Hollywood.

 

[magneto23]

Sure, the FC cast have enough star power to let a X-Men film gross under 360 million worldwide. And that film didn't get a boost from the X-Men brand.

I never said the FC cast doesn't have star power, find the post where I said that and you win. I just don't think their star power is enough to top the OT cast and I don't think they are bigger than the OT cast.

The reason why I want Fox to just make movies with the OT cast, because they are the original stars of the series. The franchise bloomed and peaked with them.

10 years ago.

And now that they are back, this franchise is suddenly in much better shape compare to the First Class days.

No. You mean better shape compared to the XMOW days. Don't be twisting reality. XMFC SAVED this franchise. Its in "much" better shape BECAUSE OF FC.

I'm pretty sure the hype for the 7th X-Men film would be lower than this, if its just featuring the First Class cast and the younger version of the characters we saw in the original trilogy.

Mega hype doesn't equal "better shape". All that matters is that they make a good movie. Hype and BO $ would come naturally.

 

[psylockolussus]

You mean better shape compared to the XMOW days. Don't be twisting reality. XMFC SAVED this franchise. Its in "much" better shape BECAUSE OF FC.

No it didn't. The only thing that X-Men First Class saved is the quality of the upcoming X-Men movies, but quality doesn't equal to bigger money.

Back in 2011, people weren't excited for First Class at all, in fact it had smaller buzz than Origins: Wolverine then it became the lowest grossing X-Men film in the U.S.

10 years ago.

Its not just 10 years ago.

If DOFP outgrossed the first six films next year, the OT cast will get a big credit for that.

Mega hype doesn't equal "better shape". All that matters is that they make a good movie. Hype and BO $ would come naturally.

Ummm yes when the films are getting a bigger amount of money, the executives of FOX will be very happy about that.

And hype and box-office didn't come naturally to First Class even if it was like the best thing ever.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yes because they don't age in the comics. They've been the same age since 1963.

 

[magneto23]

No it didn't. The only thing that X-Men First Class saved is the quality of the upcoming X-Men movies,

but quality doesn't equal to bigger money.

With or without the "iconic" names, bigger money would come with each subsequent quality sequel.

Back in 2011, people weren't excited for First Class at all, in fact it had smaller buzz than Origins: Wolverine then it became the lowest grossing X-Men film in the U.S.

If DOFP outgrossed the first six films next year, the OT cast will get a big credit for that.

So would the rest of the cast.

Ummm yes when the films are getting a bigger amount of money, the executives of FOX will be very happy about that.

And hype and box-office didn't come naturally to First Class even if it was like the best thing ever.

Completely different scenario. Keep moving the goal posts. I was referring to a 7th X-Men film with just the FC cast. A quality sequel NOT an unknown first.

 

[psylockolussus]

You can't argue your points very well, so I'm not even gonna bother to reply.

 

[magneto23]

You can't argue your points very well, so I'm not even gonna bother to reply.

I get it. There is only so many times one can bring up box-office earnings.

 

[SuperT]

Sadly, I don't see that happening. In the next 10 years, I doubt they already maintained a big name in Hollywood.

If you don't think Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy and Hoult are going to still be pretty big in 10 years than where the hell do you think people like Berry, Paquin, Ashmore, Page and the like are going to be?!

 

[Naji Assan]

If you don't think Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy and Hoult are going to still be pretty big in 10 year than where the hell do you think people like Berry, Paquin, Ashmore, Page and the like are going to be?!

Exactly. Ashmore, Cudmore, Berry and Page are barely getting by. Paquin has one more season of True Blood.

 

[SuperT]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say they are barely getting by. As you mentioned, Paquin has her final season of True Blood coming up, Ashmore is still a main character on the next season of The Following, Berry has a potential new tv show and Page has been in movies here and there.

They certainly aren't the megastars in the current movie market Psy likes to make them out to be.

 

[X-Maniac]

Some of them are not 'megastars' of the moment, but many of them are household names. Stewart and McKellen are icons now. Jackman is a star and Berry has more respect at the moment because there hasn't been any tabloid drama as a distraction, and she is well known. Paquin is known because of True Blood. Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy are also well known, obviously.

 

[The Guard]

Both Xavier and Magneto are 30 in X-Men First Class which is set in '62. The future portions of Days of Future Past are set in 2023.

The actors may be around 30. Where is it ever suggested in FIRST CLASS that the characters themselves are?

 

[BMM]

Based on the dates and historical events displayed in the film, as well as the ages of the characters when we're first introduced to them?

 

[Specter313]

I get it. There is only so many times one can bring up box-office earnings.

Oh, he'll bring it up each and every time he possibly can.

 

[Specter313]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say they are barely getting by. As you mentioned, Paquin has her final season of True Blood coming up, Ashmore is still a main character on the next season of The Following, Berry has a potential new tv show and Page has been in movies here and there.

They certainly aren't the megastars in the current movie market Psy likes to make them out to be.

Yeah, and you have to factor in other things in their lives too. Anna and Halle have given birth recent years, and Halle getting married as well, and have family lives they need to take care of now, so being in big movies and such likely take a back seat for them. And Ellen always struck me as more of an indie loving girl who will do the occasional blockbuster for fun.

 

[X-Maniac]

The actors may be around 30. Where is it ever suggested in FIRST CLASS that the characters themselves are?

Well, the opening scenes are in 1944, for Xavier (when he first meets little Mystique) and for Magneto (when he meets Shaw in Auschwitz). The film then moves to 1962.

1944-1962 = 18 years.

And add that to the ages Xavier, Magneto and Mystique were in those opening scenes.

According to IMdB, Charles Xavier is aged 12 in 1944 and Raven/Mystique is 10. The age of young Erik isn't listed but the actor (Bill Milner) was 13/14 at the time of filming, so the character would be a similar age to Charles or slightly older.

So, if we use those IMdB ages, Xavier was 30 in 1962, and Mystique was 28 (though ageing at half the normal rate). Magneto is a similar age to Xavier or slightly older.

 

[X-Maniac]

Oh, he'll bring it up each and every time he possibly can.

I have to say that emoticon is so ridiculous and wrong. The original expression is 'flogging a dead horse', in other words pointlessly whipping it because it ain't going anywhere. Two little people hammering on what looks more like a dead polar bear doesn't really represent the image correctly...lol

Worst. Emoticon. Ever.

Fanboy. Hyperbole. Moment... lol

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say they are barely getting by. As you mentioned, Paquin has her final season of True Blood coming up, Ashmore is still a main character on the next season of The Following, Berry has a potential new tv show and Page has been in movies here and there.

They certainly aren't the megastars in the current movie market Psy likes to make them out to be.

I never said they are mega-stars, but Halle Berry is indeed a megastar. Just being a celebrity, she's definitely an A-list actress.

And you act like the First Class cast is enough for this franchise, and I just don't agree with that.

And if Fox really wanted to stick with them, they wouldn't bring back the entire OT cast, because they already have a new cast but they did and ditched the other FC characters. It could happen after DOFP again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And if Fox really wanted to stick with them, they wouldn't bring back the entire OT cast, because they already have a new cast but they did and ditched the other FC characters. It could happen after DOFP again.

You need to get out of your dream world, singer has made decisions for this film and it's not let's get rid of FC cast and bring in the OT, FC cast have the most screen time and story so technically the only reason we won't get any of the FC cast of because there is no room in the story for them with the way xavier and magneto are set up here, same as future mystique, future beast and angel from X3 not appearing in the film, there is nothing in the story for them

This is a cross over movie

Now I know this won't sink in but hey was worth another shot.some of the things you say are just unbelievable

 

[psylockolussus]

You need to get out of your dream world, singer has made decisions for this film and it's not let's get rid of FC cast and bring in the OT, FC cast have the most screen time and story so technically the only reason we won't get any of the FC cast of because there is no room in the story for them with the way xavier and magneto are set up here, same as future mystique, future beast and angel from X3 not appearing in the film, there is nothing in the story for them

This is a cross over movie

Now I know this won't sink in but hey was worth another shot.some of the things you say are just unbelievable

I'm not dreaming when I post this, and unlike you I don't live in a bubble with blinders from my eyes.

Lets be realistic, if FC cast was so supposed to be the "replacement cast", they wouldn't bring back the entire OT cast and ditched FC characters like Emma Frost, Banshee and those 3 minions of Magneto. With the OT cast, they would just brought back the most essential characters, but no we are getting Colossus and the period where the OT cast belongs to is featuring more mutants.

And wasn't this supposed to be a Matthew Vaughn film first before Bryan Singer. Obviously things happened behind close doors and some people didn't get what they want for "First Class 2".

And you keep bringing up that the First Class cast has the most screentime yet you seem to forget that Hugh Jackman is the one that will get the most screentime and he probably works with the FC cast for 50% of the film. Then some people will say Hugh Jackman doesn't count because he is his own entity.

And about Angel and Beast of X3, its quite clear that they didn't stay with the X-Men at the end of X3. Beast moved to DC to work for United Nations and Angel probably returned to his dad's house after he saved him. Its different with Magneto recruiting Emma/Angel/Riptide/Azazel at the end of First Class and Havok/Banshee siding with Professor X.