Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't want cosmic elements In X-Men films now do I want half the films to be comedy.

Do you possess only a 2-dimmensional understanding of who and what the X-Men are? Perhaps you are only a casual fan via the films. I say this because every hardcore X-Men fan worth his/her salt knows that the power cosmic has always played a HUGE role in the X-Men's comic book identity.

The absence of cosmic elements from the filmed franchise has limited the storylines dramatically in my opinion. And I think the powers-that-be know that and that's why we are seeing time-travel being introduced in DoFP. Like it or not marvelrobbins, FOX is getting on board with the cinematic Marvel Universe.

And if you hate the X-men films noone is forcing you to watch them or post here.

Again some are wanting to start the disney/MS IS great and every else sucks.

Of course, you do realize that what you've typed above can be applied to you too right? Of course you do.

My point stands. There are ways for FOX to reboot this series without stepping on what's come before. The current Star Trek film series is a prime example of that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

And most of great X-Men stories are earth based stories.I never particular cared
for most cosmic stories because it turns X-Men Into just another super hero team.That's fine In comic books since it may only a few issues out of 12 a
year.

The X-Men need to stick for films other mutants,antimutant humans,and sentinles.

Trying to turn X-Men into avengers or GotG wannabes Is not being true to X-Men.

Even if they pull a Trek 2009 wouldn't be good enough for you.

And your just inviting the Disney/MS VS Fox arguement.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And most of great X-Men stories are earth based stories.I never particular cared
for most cosmic stories because it turns X-Men Into just another super hero team.That's fine In comic books since it may only a few issues out of 12 a
year.

The X-Men need to stick for films other mutants,antimutant humans,and sentinles.

Trying to turn X-Men into avengers or GotG wannabes Is not being true to X-Men.

Even if they pull a Trek 2009 wouldn't be good enough for you.

And your just inviting the Disney/MS VS Fox arguement.

Okay, I'm going to break this down for you once for all:

It's not about Marvel/Disney vs. FOX. It's about accurate character development. It just so happens that what Marvel/Disney is doing is working well because they are clearly making a huge effort to cast actors that truly capture their comic book counterparts. When I watch a Thor film I FEEL like I am truly in Asgard, or seeing the great Thunder God in live action.

In contrast, the X-Men is about the only franchise right now that has actors that are mostly all wrong for their parts. With the exception of a few, the vast majority of cinematic interpretations of the X-Men feels "off". Wolverine is six feet tall. Storm is 4 feet tall and mousy. Jean Grey is Carrie--but without the Pigs Blood. And Cyclops has only had 5 minutes of screen-time over the span of 3 damned films. These are not the f***ing X-Men!!!! Why are you so content to settle for that?

I want this franchise to FEEL like the X-Men through and through. It has never felt authentic, but rather like a "What If" series. And that's mostly because the BIGGEST characters and their relationships are completely f***ed up and unrecognizable on screen.

Even if they pull a Trek 2009 wouldn't be good enough for you.

You're right. That in itself wouldn't be "good enough" for me. What would satisfy me is lifting these characters accurately--in both spirit and visuals--from the comics in a way that honors the past but also allows the movie writers to create new channels for these iconic heroes to grow for the future.

I don't care who does it either--FOX, Marvel, Disney--I don't give a f***. Just somebody please fix the X-Men and get it right for once.

Trying to turn X-Men into avengers or GotG wannabes Is not being true to X-Men.

And you honestly believe that FOX's current X-Men films are being "true" to character? REALLY? If you really believe that--and you're satisfied with all of these CINOs (Characters in Name Only) then we have nothing left to discuss here.

 

[psylockolussus]

My question is do you want this "new take" to happen with the current FC cast? With Professor X and Magneto being in their 30s, it already doesn't quite feel like the X-Men in the comics.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

My question is do you want this "new take" to happen with the current FC cast? With Professor X and Magneto being in their 30s, it already doesn't quite feel like the X-Men in the comics.

I think they're going to have to start over COMPLETELY if they go that route. I doubt they are going to be able to retain Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender or even James McAvoy forever.

They've shat on the continuity so badly with...well, pretty much everything at this point that they really have no choice but to scrap all of it if they want to be accurate. Cyclops (Scott) is older than Alex (Havok). Storm is about the same age as Scott, yet younger than Xavier. Rogue is also a peer of Scott, Storm, and the other adult X-Men--not a teenager. And continuing with FC's timeline screws things up even further.

Just start over.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well I would prefer starting over than ditching the OT cast to FC cast.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well I would prefer starting over than ditching the OT cast to FC cast.

The whole thing just makes my head spin. I mean, seriously. I believe that DoFP will be FOX's move to actually get this franchise on the proper chronology. If they want to truly build a universe of their own with multiple film installments overlapping and tied together they've got to get their s*** right at the foundation. Up until now they've clearly never given a damn about thinking if any of this s*** would actually add up and and make sense in continuity. It's just...ridiculously sloppy writing for 13 years straight...and now it's catching up with them.

This is what happens when you're no longer the "only game in town". And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If you them to "Fix" X-men why bother coming to this section.

X-men Is darker and serious not the comedy show of Iron Man 3 or the
earth scenes of Thor.

Plenty of other films go with In name only versions of characters.

DOFP hasn't even opened yet but some here are more intrested pushing reboot.

Next you will be hoping for DOFP to fail.

Your wanting fox to spend fortune on copying Avengers and GotG yet DIsney Is making it very hard to promote films as It Is.And some even support that here.

Cosmic storys and alien invasions are not the core of X-Men.They do film now with time travel and Snetinles,and even worked In hover chair for Xavier and it's still not good enough.

 

[psylockolussus]

The whole thing just makes my head spin. I mean, seriously. I believe that DoFP will be FOX's move to actually get this franchise on the proper chronology. If they want to truly build a universe of their own with multiple film installments overlapping and tied together they've got to get their s*** right at the foundation. Up until now they've clearly never given a damn about thinking if any of this s*** would actually add up and and make sense in continuity. It's just...ridiculously sloppy writing for 13 years straight...and now it's catching up with them.

This is what happens when you're no longer the "only game in town". And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

If its from a point of view of a X-Me fan, sure. I can understand you and Fox's version of the X-Men is quite different to the comics. I would like to see a X-Men film focusing on a group of mutants, like Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, Gambit, Psylocke, Nightcrawler, work together and none of them are students, also I would like to see them wearing their traditional costumes.

But as a movie franchise, its not really that problematic. Though I would like to see Fox have a solid plan for like the next five or ten years. I felt like after X3, they didn't have a straight plan that they followed and right now, I still feel that way.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

If you them to "Fix" X-men why bother coming to this section.

X-men Is darker and serious not the comedy show of Iron Man 3 or the
earth scenes of Thor.

Plenty of other films go with In name only versions of characters.

DOFP hasn't even opened yet but some here are more intrested pushing reboot.

Next you will be hoping for DOFP to fail.

Your wanting fox to spend fortune on copying Avengers and GotG yet DIsney Is making it very hard to promote films as It Is.And some even support that here.

Cosmic storys and alien invasions are not the core of X-Men.They do film now with time travel and Snetinles,and even worked In hover chair for Xavier and it's still not good enough.

Will you please shut the hell up with all the "Why do you bother coming to this forum" s***?

Who are you? And I mean that with all sincerity. In case you haven't noticed, this thread's entire topic is focused on discussing a possible reboot. For several months now all of us have witnessed your anti-Marvel/Disney/Reboot schtick. So the better question is, why the hell are YOU here? Do you work for FOX Studios and have a personal stake in this if the studio does reboot the franchise? Are you perhaps one of the actors posting undercover here on the Hype and you're afraid you'll lose your job/pension if FOX casts a new actor in your place? Or is it "none of the above" and you're just plain weird?

If you have something to contribute to the theme of this thread, do so. However, policing the rights of others to post on the thread is not your place. Knock it off already.

 

[marvelrobbins]

every film version of a comic with exceptions of something like watchmen
Is different In films than comics.Of course only X-Men films get attacked for
it.It's brillent whenever It's not X-Men

 

[marvelrobbins]

Will you please shut the hell up with all the "Why do you bother coming to this forum" s***?

In case you haven't noticed, this thread's entire topic is focused on discussing a possible reboot. For several months now all of us have witnessed your anti-Marvel/Disney/Reboot schtick. So the better question is, why the hell are YOU here?


If you have something to contribute to the theme of this thread, do so. However, policing the rights of others to post on the thread is not your place. So knock off the trolling.

I am trolling I reguraly post In X-Men forums while all you do Is come to X-Men forums 90 percent of the time to piss all over films.I don't go post In forums of films I don't like.

Hell if they do a trek 2009 situation at end of DOFP you still won't be sastifed.

This Is thread In X-Menays of future past board not the hate Fox board.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I am trolling I reguraly post In X-Men forums while all you do Is come to X-Men forums 90 percent of the time to piss all over films.I don't go post In forums of films I don't like.

Hell if they do a trek 2009 situation at end of DOFP you still won't be sastifed.

This Is thread In X-Menays of future past board not the hate Fox board.

[BLACKOUT]Oh, Lord Deliver Us. [/BLACKOUT]

Yes. You are trolling. This thread's purpose is to discuss rebooting the franchise. As you can see from the poll results there is great interest in that. Yet, instead of discussing the pros and cons of such a studio move, you're here questioning the motives of those of us who desire a change. That's incredibly dumb. Why the hell does that matter to you so much? Debate the topic--not thread contributors and "why they come here." I'm not sure why you feel the need to regulate all constructive criticism of FOX off this board but it's incredibly annoying. Stop the censuring--it makes you look weird and schillish.

And for the record--I come to this forum because I genuinely care about these characters and what happens to them. And I've been investing in them since the 1970s. Marvel Studios/Disney has made missteps in some of their character development and I've had no problem drawing similar correlations.

So back down.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Do you possess only a 2-dimmensional understanding of who and what the X-Men are? Perhaps you are only a casual fan via the films. I say this because every hardcore X-Men fan worth his/her salt knows that the power cosmic has always played a HUGE role in the X-Men's comic book identity.

Even if you weren't talking to me, I take issue with this.

I am no casual fan via the films. I would think I'm a hardcore X-Men fan worth my salt. I don't want cosmic powers or space travel anywhere near these films. Nowhere.

And honestly, I can't really agree with a single word of anything else you said either.

These films certainly aren't perfect, but they absolutely do "feel authentic" to me. When I am watching these movies, those beloved characters that I have been in love with my entire life are alive right before my very eyes. Some portrayals are better than others. Sometimes, the movies didn't get it as good as the comics. Other times, I feel the movies did it better than the books. But it feels right.

A reboot isn't going to come without its own problems. A reboot won't be perfect. And space travel, imo, is when I "check out". For the most part, the space travel, and space alien elements of X-Men is when it loses it's meaning, when it loses being more than a bland, generic band of superheroes. It loses everything I love about the world in the first place and just becomes a bunch of substanceless "pew pew". Not what I want from my X-Men movies.

Down with reboots, and up with the X-Men film universe as is.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Even if you weren't talking to me, I take issue with this.

I am no casual fan via the films. I would think I'm a hardcore X-Men fan worth my salt. I don't want cosmic powers or space travel anywhere near these films. Nowhere.

And honestly, I can't really agree with a single word of anything else you said either.

These films certainly aren't perfect, but they absolutely do "feel authentic" to me. When I am watching these movies, those beloved characters that I have been in love with my entire life are alive right before my very eyes. Some portrayals are better than others. Sometimes, the movies didn't get it as good as the comics. Other times, I feel the movies did it better than the books. But it feels right.

A reboot isn't going to come without its own problems. A reboot won't be perfect. And space travel, imo, is when I "check out". For the most part, the space travel, and space alien elements of X-Men is when it loses it's meaning, when it loses being more than a bland, generic band of superheroes. It loses everything I love about the world in the first place and just becomes a bunch of substanceless "pew pew". Not what I want from my X-Men movies.

Down with reboots, and up with the X-Men film universe as is.

He got checked about the cosmic stuff because he insinuated that it is not an earmark of experiences that have shaped who the X-Men are. And that's just simply incorrect...any avid reader of the source material knows that. Taking it out of the equation has left us with less-than-desirable outcomes *coughJeanGreyIsCarrieX3*.

That said, at the end of the day it is of little concern as to whether you agree with my assessment or not Nell; it's just my honest-to-God opinion. And all of us are welcome to our opinions and to answer the thread's topic accordingly.

However, I will agree with you on one point: a reboot won't necessarily be the "cure all". It will certainly come with its own challenges. It would be naive to expect "perfection" with any cinematic interpretation of a comic book. Something is bound to get tweaked or missed.

But make no mistake about it: a reboot is coming. It's only a matter of time. And I believe that the next version will be more in line with what has been successful in recent years. It's not just about being faithful to the source material either--it's about box office profit and repeat viewings. Fans are spoiled now and want more. And FOX would be foolish not to be taking these many years' worth of consistent criticisms seriously.

 

[marvelrobbins]

[BLACKOUT]Oh, Lord Deliver Us. [/BLACKOUT]

Yes. You are trolling. This thread's purpose is to discuss rebooting the franchise. As you can see from the poll results there is great interest in that. Yet, instead of discussing the pros and cons of such a studio move, you're here questioning the motives of those of us who desire a change. That's incredibly dumb. Why the hell does that matter to you so much? Debate the topic--not thread contributors and "why they come here." I'm not sure why you feel the need to regulate all constructive criticism of FOX off this board but it's incredibly annoying. Stop the censuring.

And for the record--I come to this forum because I genuinely care about these characters and what happens to them. And I've been investing in them since the 1970s. Marvel Studios/Disney has made missteps in some of their character development and I've had no problem drawing similar correlations.

So back down.

You attack me and call me a Fox poster and I am the troll Most others
who post In this thread discuss DOFP not spending all their time In X-Men board bashing everything about films.

Yeah I am sure I am fox troll after my negative reaction to X-Men the last
Stand,Origins,The earlier FF films,and Elektra.I critized fox for going into Pg-13 direction for alien VS Predator and die hard films.I refuse to watch anything besides the simpsons on Fox network,and I consider Rupert murdock to be
the devil

Now if rumored ending bamfter reported on Is one that Is on screen may 23 then many of you will get reboot you want In a abrams trek situation.Although that won't be good enough for you.

I am trying to move away from the DIsney/MS vs everyone else debates.It doesn't help that to consently here let's turn X-Men into avengers or gotG.That's fine for avengers.It's not good for X-men.I never read GotG In my life so I care nothing for it.

Next up somebody will post they hope DOFP bombs.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You attack me and call me a Fox poster and I am the troll Most others
who post In this thread discuss DOFP not spending all their time In X-Men board bashing everything about films.

Yeah I am sure I am fox troll after my negative reaction to X-Men the last
Stand,Origins,The earlier FF films,and Elektra.I critized fox for going into Pg-13 direction for alien VS Predator and die hard films.I refuse to watch anything besides the simpsons on Fox network,and I consider Rupert murdock to be
the devil

Now if rumored ending bamfter reported on Is one that Is on screen may 23 then many of you will get reboot you want In a abrams trek situation.Although that won't be good enough for you.

I am trying to move away from the DIsney/MS vs everyone else debates.It doesn't help that to consently here let's turn X-Men into avengers or gotG.That's fine for avengers.It's not good for X-men.I never read GotG In my life so I care nothing for it.

Next up somebody will post they hope DOFP bombs.

Good for you.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He got checked about the cosmic stuff because he insinuated that it is not an earmark of experiences that have shaped who the X-Men are. And that's just simply incorrect...any avid reader of the source material knows that. Taking it out of the equation has left us with less-than-desirable outcomes *coughJeanGreyIsCarrieX3*.

That said, at the end of the day it is of little concern as to whether you agree with my assessment or not Nell; it's just my honest-to-God opinion. And all of us are welcome to our opinions and to answer the thread's topic accordingly.

However, I will agree with you on one point: a reboot won't necessarily be the "cure all". It will certainly come with its own challenges. It would be naive to expect "perfection" with any cinematic interpretation of a comic book. Something is bound to get tweaked or missed.

But make no mistake about it: a reboot is coming. It's only a matter of time. And I believe that the next version will be more in line with what has been successful in recent years. It's not just about being faithful to the source material either--it's about box office profit and repeat viewings. Fans are spoiled now and want more. And FOX would be foolish not to be taking these many years' worth of consistent criticisms seriously.

Hasn't been less than desirable for me. What you call a "Carrie" Phoenix, I call a much more welcome interpretation of the character than clones and space goddesses and aliens and crystals.

And if the future of X-Men resembles Marvel Studios products, I will be less than impressed. I admittedly haven't seen every Marvel Studios film, but the ones that I have seen are the generic, bland, "pew pew" stories that completely lack any sort of substance. Nice fun for a couple hours, but instantly forgotten the moment I walk out of the theater. NOT what I want for the X-Men films.

So if that's the future of the X-Men movies... well, I'll stick with "Carrie" Phoenix and adamantium bullets.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hasn't been less than desirable for me. What you call a "Carrie" Phoenix, I call a much more welcome interpretation of the character than clones and space goddesses and aliens and crystals.

And if the future of X-Men resembles Marvel Studios products, I will be less than impressed. I admittedly haven't seen every Marvel Studios film, but the ones that I have seen are the generic, bland, "pew pew" stories that completely lack any sort of substance. Nice fun for a couple hours, but instantly forgotten the moment I walk out of the theater. NOT what I want for the X-Men films.

So if that's the future of the X-Men movies... well, I'll stick with "Carrie" Phoenix and adamantium bullets.

You are in the minority, but I applaud your position nonetheless.
I, however, would like to see a balanced approach: give me a fiery Phoenix raptor AND a film that makes me think about mankind's social condition and we'll be all good. It CAN be done.

I have a serious hunch that DoFP will come dangerously close to actually achieving that balance--and if it happens I will be over the moon. The potential is certainly there.

 

[Naji Assan]

Do you possess only a 2-dimmensional understanding of who and what the X-Men are? Perhaps you are only a casual fan via the films. I say this because every hardcore X-Men fan worth his/her salt knows that the power cosmic has always played a HUGE role in the X-Men's comic book identity.

The absence of cosmic elements from the filmed franchise has limited the storylines dramatically in my opinion. And I think the powers-that-be know that and that's why we are seeing time-travel being introduced in DoFP. Like it or not marvelrobbins, FOX is getting on board with the cinematic Marvel Universe.

You're right on point with this. The Avengers opened their eyes. The M'Kraan Crystal, The Starjammers, Shi'ar, The Ruby of Cyttorak, Mr. Sinister, Madeline Pryor, The Four Horsemen, Apocalypse and The Eternals...

Its all a possibility now.

 

[SuperT]

I'm fine with all of that - but Madeline Pryor - no thanks. They can leave that convoluted mess out.

Along with the Ruby of Cyttorak. Just make Juggarnaut a mutant and be done with it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And your last point is -my- point: We didn't need a reboot for that.

We didn't need a reboot to get X-Men: Days Of Future Past, which I agree, will probably strike that balance.

We didn't need a reboot to get X-Men: First Class, which -did- achieve that balance.

We didn't need a reboot to get The Wolverine, which -did- achieve that balance.

Look, I acknowledge that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine took missteps, even if for me they are welcome installments into the franchise and successful adaptations of these stories for me, with the former being arguably my favorite film of the series (though the edge goes to X-Men: First Class I think). Those films had mishaps, and despite my constant defending of them, have angered me more than any of the other films.

The franchise took some missteps, and that sucks. But like you said, a reboot isn't a "cure all". A reboot will take missteps of its own.

So instead of tossing aside 13 years worth of material, I say just continue forward with what we have.

We don't need a reboot to get future stories with these beloved characters, stories that we've been waiting to see. We haven't had a reboot since X-Men: The Last Stand, and yet, the franchise has doubled. It will be more than doubled in May. And we didn't need a reboot to get great adaptations of the Claremore / Miller Japan saga, of the origins for Xavier and Magneto, Hellfire Club, or Days Of Future Past.

A reboot is the cheap (metaphorically, not literally) and easy way out, and in my opinion, the completely lazy way out.

"Oh, one thing didn't work, so let's throw the whole thing out and start over"

Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You're right on point with this. The Avengers opened their eyes. The M'Kraan Crystal, The Starjammers, Shi'ar, The Ruby of Cyttorak, Mr. Sinister, Madeline Pryor, The Four Horsemen, Apocalypse and The Eternals...

Its all a possibility now.

Ugh...

Well, if that's the future of the X-Men movies, it's been a fun ride while it lasted, but this is my stop.

Maybe we can get Tom Rothman back....

 

[Naji Assan]

Ugh...

Well, if that's the future of the X-Men movies, it's been a fun ride while it lasted, but this is my stop.

Maybe we can get Tom Rothman back....

Seriously? I'm not sure if you're joking or not.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm not joking in the least bit.

I hate that crap in the comics, and if it's included in the movies, then this franchise is no longer something worth me following.