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BvS Skepticism Regarding the Film - Part 8

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A good portion of the posts from the past couple of pages in this thread are utterly embarrassing, in my opinion.

Look, being a Superman fan, of course I wish that he had a greater role in the marketing of this film so far. And yet, I completely understand why that hasn't been the case.

Look, Henry Cavill's Superman doesn't need to be sold to the public. The public are already well aware him through the financially successful Man of Steel. In a sense, that film works as a marketing tool for Cavill's Superman in BvS. It's important to understand that. Because Cavill's Superman needs no introduction, he isn't going to receive the majority or even equal marketing in this film.

Affleck's Batman, however, needs a lot of marketing. It may seem like so long ago now, but have we forgotten the backlash that the Affleck casting recieved? WB needed to emphasize the greatness of Battfleck to sell him to the audience, and that results into him taking more of the attention than Superman.

Furthermore, Affleck is a bigger celebrity than Henry Cavill. Every company is going to sell the more familiar product to the public than the less known public. In this case, it means that Affleck works a bigger attraction than Cavill, because of his popularity. I certainly don't want Affleck to become the Hugh Jackman or RDJ of the DCEU, however, the reason why Wolverine and Iron Man play far larger roles in their respective universes is because they happened to be played by the bigger celebrities.

Moreover, as popular as Superman is, Batman is simply the better cinematic draw right now. I'm convinced that just as Superman's animated films were outselling the Batman animated films, so too would Superman outsell Batman films had things been done well years ago. Nevertheless, After the TDK trilogy and the success of the Arkham videogames, Batman is a bigger draw than Superman at the box-office. WB would be stupid to not take advantage of that.

As for the notion that Superman is going to die in this film, lol, come on, guys. That's simply not happening. I won't even waste my time trying to explain why because it's really that simple. It's lazy fanboy assumptions to think that Superman is going to die just because Doomsday is in the film.

Lastly, Superman is going to lead the Justice League--with Batman. And that's the right way to go about it. Look, WB seems to know what they're doing, and I like it. On what planet would the character whom all involved have been crediting as the beacon for all superbeings to come out of the shadows be relegated to second fiddle? Seriously?

Inasmuch as Batman has been headlining the marketing aspect of the film, Superman is headlining the plot of the film. The very existence and character of Superman is the very reason for the production of this film. Have we forgotten that a Superman film is the very first film of the DCEU? Superman is going to lead the Justice League with Batman as his equal. And that works brilliantly. They are two sides of the same coin; man and god working together to stop villainous men and villainous gods.


I'm confident that Superman will be portrayed well in this film. I trust Terrio. Let's not forget that Superman's being and character is the driving force of this film, his villains have primary roles in this film, and his girlfriend and mother supposedly have large roles in this film too.

There's simply no way Superman won't AT LEAST have equal time and respect given to him considering those factors. I'm excited about that they're doing with Superman, even if some trolls on this board want us to join in on their misery.

Just to clarify, I agree about the marketing.

Of course WB will focus on Bats. One of the top franchises in the world. And Affleck is far more well known and accomplished as an actor/director.

I hope Superman gets the respect and character development he needs for him to regain some of his popularity from the day. Have not seen the film so I don't know how it works out, but I am skeptical on that.

And I absolutely think not giving Clark or Superman any lines to speak in the final trailer was a mistake on Snyder's and his team's part.
 
No, it wouldn't have. It couldn't have been more obvious that he was stating his opinion, like everybody else here.
No, he's very clearly stating his opinion, the issue as I said is to whom it's pertaining for there is a crossing of streams.
His actual post was that “..Zack Snyder. The guy never really made a great movie and I just don't understand why WB wanted him back for BvS and Justice League..”
Somewhere in there his opinion took on a greater nature somehow and it lead to this follow up statement from another poster"
Don't act like your opinion is the measure of all things, fam.
Again my point is this stuff is entirely avoidable if opinions aren’t used as evidence.
Every single post here is only someone's opinion.
Never once said they weren’t. It’s because this fact is indeed true that when people present their opinions as say general observations that debates or questioning posts always follow. Stating an opinion like that you don't like something usually leads to the opposite. But hat something is bad, and because it's bad this that and the next thing are...
and all based on an opinion(as stated) and nothing more, that's where the mess starts.

But I’ll be the one to actually answer your question for I have to assume it was genuine in some fashion.
You really don't understand why wb gave snyder another go? The simplest answer is might be the best in this scenario. Because they don't share
your opinion. As in none of his films are great ‘for you’(and yours) but that doesn't generally mean that he in fact hasn't made 'great films' and more to the point, in their opinion. If you don’t cross the streams it’s all the more clear to understand why they think differently from you in this circumstance. And that has nothing to do with my opinion of the movie.
Anyhow that’s what your post reads as. And how could wb do such a thing for a movie that sucks... A quandary as it were. Don’t let me stop anyone from sharing their opinion however, I’m just here to spotlight what happen(s)ed, for those that insist the distinction is negligible and claim this never happens or choose to ‘ignore’ it.
 
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Some friends on Facebook are actually believing the "WB is worried about BvS" b.s. HitFix is spewing.

*sigh*
 
Clearly you know nothing about box office. Studios usually receive 55% of DOM total and 40-45% of OS total. Watchmen production budet was 130M and they definitely spent another 80-120M on marketing plus distribution.

You are embarrassing yourself.

Watchmen made 107 million domestic, and 78 million foreign. The fraction of receipts kept varies from film to film. In the first couple weeks the studio keeps a lot more than 50% of receipts in domestic theatres.

You have absolutely no idea how much they spent on marketing.

You also have absolutely no idea how much was made off rentals, DVD sales, blu rays, TV, netflix, etc. Watchmen is a movie people still discuss 7 years later.
 
I don't mean to be a dick here, but I've been to a lot of movies in my life and a lot of trailers don't get a big reaction from the audience. Yet it's only with BVS that I ever see comments like this. I mean, I saw the Civil War trailer in a theater a little while ago, and I don't remember hearing cheers from the audience or anything. Does that mean it's bad or that people aren't interested in seeing it?
People comment on trailer reactions for every majorly anticipated film here, INCLUDING Civil War. I remember exact discussions about this when Star Wars came out with all the trailers in existence attached to it. BvS isn't getting singled out.
 
Trailer reactions depend very much on where you live.

Audience members letting everybody else know how they feel is very much an American phenomenon. I nearly never saw it in Canada or Australia.

It probably varies a lot within the USA.
 
Well, respectfully, DA Champion, I LOVE Watchmen but I think its pretty clear WB lost money on that movie. It didnt break even on its domestic gross and didnt make that much internationally, of which the studio gets much less of a cut on.

Granted, I dont know what the DVD sales and rental figures are so its possible that the studio recouped some costs that way. But Watchmen was not profitable for WB at the box office.
 
Trailer reactions depend very much on where you live.

Audience members letting everybody else know how they feel is very much an American phenomenon. I nearly never saw it in Canada or Australia.

It probably varies a lot within the USA.
It does. When I see movies here in the DC area, audiences are usually pretty reactive, but when I see movies when I'm visiting home in Alabama, they're super dead in comparison. It also depends on when you go. Opening night/weekend crowds tend to have a lot more energy in my experience.
 
I could see a Death of Superman story angle working, even in these "early days". It'd still be powerful for the world's new savior figure, a figure of controversy, to give his life for the people of Earth...I just don't see that happening. BVS is designed to hype up a JUSTICE LEAGUE film. Superman is part of that appeal. I don't see them killing off one of the three major elements designed to build hype for a shared universe/Justice League franchise.

As far as WATCHMEN goes, I would imagine it has made them SOME money by this point, with licensing deals, etc. It was never going to make a lot of money. Didn't have a huge budget, and wasn't marketed that extensively. Nor do I see why it ultimately matters, as it was never designed to start a franchise.
 
Trailer reactions depend very much on where you live.

Audience members letting everybody else know how they feel is very much an American phenomenon. I nearly never saw it in Canada or Australia.

It probably varies a lot within the USA.

Yeah, where I live, people don't react to anything at all. They're like robots. If someone dares to react to a movie trailer (this happens once in every ten years, maybe), they quietly hide under the seats and call the police because there's a dangerous psycho in the theater.

Americans are more like chimpanzees, from what I understand. They bite the seats, jump up and down, throw popcorn and coke at the screen, scream till their faces turn blue..."Hell yeaaaahhh, daaaaamnn! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! Hohohoo awesome man! Awesome! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" and then they usually pass out. No wonder there's a lot of "I don't get the movie" threads on IMDB, they woke up in the middle of it!

I don't know about Australians and Canadians though. I don't think Australia has theaters at all...didn't see a single one in Crocodile Dundee. Canadians are probably too busy standing in bread lines.

No, no, I'm just kidding. But the one about my own countrymen is true. Exaggerated, but true.
 
So, nobody. :o

*phew* For a minute there I thought I was hanging around the wrong water coolers. I suppose one could argue that people are still talking about 'The Adventures of Pluto Nash' and 'Gigli'. :woot:
 
It does. When I see movies here in the DC area, audiences are usually pretty reactive, but when I see movies when I'm visiting home in Alabama, they're super dead in comparison. It also depends on when you go. Opening night/weekend crowds tend to have a lot more energy in my experience.

I'm from Birmingham and I'd generally agree, the only reactions I can recall seeing in theaters are laughter and maybe a few tepid applause after the movie is over.
 
Snyder has already stated that Batman gets the focus early to establish him in this universe and then the focus turns onto Superman and it plays out as equal screen time pretty much.
 
Yeah, where I live, people don't react to anything at all. They're like robots. If someone dares to react to a movie trailer (this happens once in every ten years, maybe), they quietly hide under the seats and call the police because there's a dangerous psycho in the theater.

Americans are more like chimpanzees, from what I understand. They bite the seats, jump up and down, throw popcorn and coke at the screen, scream till their faces turn blue..."Hell yeaaaahhh, daaaaamnn! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! Hohohoo awesome man! Awesome! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" and then they usually pass out. No wonder there's a lot of "I don't get the movie" threads on IMDB, they woke up in the middle of it!

I don't know about Australians and Canadians though. I don't think Australia has theaters at all...didn't see a single one in Crocodile Dundee. Canadians are probably too busy standing in bread lines.

No, no, I'm just kidding. But the one about my own countrymen is true. Exaggerated, but true.

Australian theatres are more reserved compared to American ones but Aussies get going but are pretty respectful of not spoiling it for others.

American theaters go off tap sometimes. Bunch of freaks.
 
Australian theatres are more reserved compared to American ones but Aussies get going but are pretty respectful of not spoiling it for others.

American theaters go off tap sometimes. Bunch of freaks.

WATCH YOUR MOUTH! :argh:
 
Trailer reactions depend very much on where you live.

Audience members letting everybody else know how they feel is very much an American phenomenon. I nearly never saw it in Canada or Australia.

It probably varies a lot within the USA.

In this Brazil venue, they are apparently in 24/7 comic con mode as an audience. I say that cause the vid supposedly isn't a midnight crowd.
 
I live in the South and generally my audience reacts to nothing outside of the trailers. Once the movie starts the only audible reactions I hear from the audience are laughs.
The biggest reactions to the BvS trailer that I've seen are when Wonder Woman appears. The audience noticeably lights up. It's been that way with every trailer we've seen thus far.
 
You are embarrassing yourself.

Watchmen made 107 million domestic, and 78 million foreign. The fraction of receipts kept varies from film to film. In the first couple weeks the studio keeps a lot more than 50% of receipts in domestic theatres.

You have absolutely no idea how much they spent on marketing.

You also have absolutely no idea how much was made off rentals, DVD sales, blu rays, TV, netflix, etc. Watchmen is a movie people still discuss 7 years later.

As much as I like fanboys with their tunnel vision... I'm done.
 
Snyder has already stated that Batman gets the focus early to establish him in this universe and then the focus turns onto Superman and it plays out as equal screen time pretty much.

That does make a ton of sense actually, this Superman is already established through Man of Steel. This is a new cinematic Batman so they have to push him to the forefront via the marketing and the way the film will begin.
 
It's curious that they're choosing not to do anything about Henry Cavill's receding hairline.

It's not 1945 anymore. They have treatments for that now.

Otherwise, this is what he'll look like in the 2019 justice league movie:

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No one has ever made that joke before... Oh wait...
 
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